Pope knee deep in shit again....

[89Hen]

BTW, that one map of the population sure drove Jellyfish away quickly.

[D1B]

BTW, that one map of the population sure drove Jellyfish away quickly.

The map doesn't matter. It is the consencus of some of the world's largest health org and much of the catholic church that the recent develoopment will save many lives. This directly implies that you were not doing the right thing before and you were essentially killing people with your stupid dogma. Thank god at least your pope understands this.

Read your history Hen. The catholic church has a horrendous record of dealing with plagues using scripture/dogma rather than science.

[JoltinJoe]

Actually it can documented that the percentage of population afflicted by AIDS in Africa is LOWER in countries in which Catholicism is more prevalent -- and that's because more people in those countries are practicing abstinence.

Abstinence is 100% effective.

Show some documentation then please.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/?/news/whil ... st-the-opp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2003 statistics from the World Factbook of the US Central Intelligence Agency, shows Burundi at 62% Catholic with 6% AIDS infection rate. Angola’s population is 38% Roman Catholic and has 3.9% AIDS rate. Ghana is 63% Christian, with in some regions as much as 33% Catholic and has 3.1% AIDS rate. Nigeria, divided almost evenly between the strongly Muslim north and Christian and "animist" south, has 5.4% AIDS rate.

Strongly Christian Uganda continues to frustrate condom-pushing NGO’s by maintaining its abstinence and fidelity AIDS prevention programs and one of the lowest rates of AIDS in Africa, at 4.1%. Uganda’s population is listed by the CIA Factbook as 33% Roman Catholic and 33% Protestant.

Of African countries with low Catholic populations, Botswana is typical with 37.3% AIDS, one of the highest in Africa, and 5% of the total population Catholic.

[D1B]

Show some documentation then please.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/?/news/whil ... st-the-opp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2003 statistics from the World Factbook of the US Central Intelligence Agency, shows Burundi at 62% Catholic with 6% AIDS infection rate. Angola’s population is 38% Roman Catholic and has 3.9% AIDS rate. Ghana is 63% Christian, with in some regions as much as 33% Catholic and has 3.1% AIDS rate. Nigeria, divided almost evenly between the strongly Muslim north and Christian and "animist" south, has 5.4% AIDS rate.

Strongly Christian Uganda continues to frustrate condom-pushing NGO’s by maintaining its abstinence and fidelity AIDS prevention programs and one of the lowest rates of AIDS in Africa, at 4.1%. Uganda’s population is listed by the CIA Factbook as 33% Roman Catholic and 33% Protestant.

Of African countries with low Catholic populations, Botswana is typical with 37.3% AIDS, one of the highest in Africa, and 5% of the total population Catholic.

Uhh...no Joe. Try again... You should be ashamed of yourself.

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[89Hen]

Attack the source. Do you want a stick for your white flag?

[89Hen]

The map doesn't matter.

Yeah, why let facts get in your way?

[GannonFan]

http://www.lifesitenews.com/?/news/whil ... st-the-opp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2003 statistics from the World Factbook of the US Central Intelligence Agency, shows Burundi at 62% Catholic with 6% AIDS infection rate. Angola’s population is 38% Roman Catholic and has 3.9% AIDS rate. Ghana is 63% Christian, with in some regions as much as 33% Catholic and has 3.1% AIDS rate. Nigeria, divided almost evenly between the strongly Muslim north and Christian and "animist" south, has 5.4% AIDS rate.

Strongly Christian Uganda continues to frustrate condom-pushing NGO’s by maintaining its abstinence and fidelity AIDS prevention programs and one of the lowest rates of AIDS in Africa, at 4.1%. Uganda’s population is listed by the CIA Factbook as 33% Roman Catholic and 33% Protestant.

Of African countries with low Catholic populations, Botswana is typical with 37.3% AIDS, one of the highest in Africa, and 5% of the total population Catholic.

Uhh...no Joe. Try again... You should be ashamed of yourself.

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So which of his numbers are wrong, then? Just asking.

[D1B]

The map doesn't matter.

Yeah, why let facts get in your way?

The fact that your church has been using scripture and church dogma to deal with a plague like AIDS is absolutely horrifying and had caused the deaths of millions. Fucking sad.

[89Hen]

The fact that your church has been using scripture and church dogma to deal with a plague like AIDS is absolutely horrifying and had caused the deaths of millions. Fucking sad.

Source?

[D1B]

The fact that your church has been using scripture and church dogma to deal with a plague like AIDS is absolutely horrifying and had caused the deaths of millions. Fucking sad.

Source?

Associate Press: Reacting to the expanded statement, a senior official with the United Nations AIDS agency said: "I think it will have a very positive impact ... Catholics consider the Pope infallible. He cannot err in what he's teaching. That way, they will now be able to use condoms, and I can see further decline in the AIDS epidemic."

Sheila Tlou spoke with The Associated Press during a meeting Tuesday in Johannesburg in which UNAIDS announced a nearly 20 percent drop in new HIV infections around the world over the past decade — largely due to increased condom use. Tlou, the eastern and southern Africa regional director for UNAIDS and a former Botswana health minister, said other churches should follow the pope's lead.

More than 20 million people across Africa are infected with HIV — more than the rest of the world combined.

[D1B]

Actually it can documented that the percentage of population afflicted by AIDS in Africa is LOWER in countries in which Catholicism is more prevalent -- and that's because more people in those countries are practicing abstinence.

Joe we discussed this before. AIDS is lower because infected people those countries HAVE FUCKING DIED there fore the prevalance of infection is going to be lower.

How dare you and your filthy church take credit for this and attribute it to abstinence. You truly are an evil person.

[89Hen]

Associate Press: Reacting to the expanded statement, a senior official with the United Nations AIDS agency said: "I think it will have a very positive impact ... Catholics consider the Pope infallible. He cannot err in what he's teaching. That way, they will now be able to use condoms, and I can see further decline in the AIDS epidemic."

Sheila Tlou spoke with The Associated Press during a meeting Tuesday in Johannesburg in which UNAIDS announced a nearly 20 percent drop in new HIV infections around the world over the past decade — largely due to increased condom use. Tlou, the eastern and southern Africa regional director for UNAIDS and a former Botswana health minister, said other churches should follow the pope's lead.

More than 20 million people across Africa are infected with HIV — more than the rest of the world combined.

Interesting... so there has been a "nearly 20 percent drop in new HIV infections around the world over the past decade " but the Pope just came out with this last week. Also interesting that less than 20% of Africans are Catholics. Even more interesting is that you have no figures on how many of the 20M are Catholic. You're gonna have to do better than this DB.

[D1B]

Vast numbers of people dying of AIDS, therefore scewing infection rates low and Joltin Joe and his organ grinder monkey 89hen call it a success and credit it to disastrous chruch dogma.

I thought I've seen it all.

[andy7171]

I have to admit, D1B is very entertaining with the inventive namecalling.

[D1B]

Interesting... so there has been a "nearly 20 percent drop in new HIV infections around the world over the past decade " but the Pope just came out with this last week. Also interesting that less than 20% of Africans are Catholics. Even more interesting is that you have no figures on how many of the 20M are Catholic. You're gonna have to do better than this DB.

You continue to miss the point hen. It don't matter how many of the infected are catholic. The point is catholic relief orgs and the ministry, as a primary social and moral force in Africa, should have been equipped with condoms as part or their strategy. That they weren't until now has cost lives. That all, and worlds leading health orgs, through their enthusiastic reception of Benedict's world, side with me. They just don't have the guts to extend the logic and hold the church accountable for their past, like I do.

Saint D1B - fighting for a better tomorrow....

[D1B]

I have to admit, D1B is very entertaining with the inventive namecalling.

Shaddup, Nipple Farts!

[89Hen]

Vast numbers of people dying of AIDS, therefore scewing infection rates low and Joltin Joe and his organ grinder monkey 89hen call it a success and credit it to disastrous chruch dogma.

I thought I've seen it all.

Ummm, where have I ever said that DB? Matter of fact, in the post above, I pointed out that the nearly 20% drop occurred before the Pope came out with this nugget last week.

I thought it was bad enough you were trying to pass opinion as fact but now you're making shit up about people here.

[JoltinJoe]

Actually it can documented that the percentage of population afflicted by AIDS in Africa is LOWER in countries in which Catholicism is more prevalent -- and that's because more people in those countries are practicing abstinence.

Joe we discussed this before. AIDS is lower because infected people those countries HAVE **** DIED there fore the prevalance of infection is going to be lower.

You're pulling this from out of your ass. You have no support for this statement. There is none. If you have it, show me documented proof that death rates from AIDs in the countries mentioned -- Burundi; Angola; Ghana, or Nigeria -- were statistically higher in years prior to 2003 than other areas of Africa.

[JoltinJoe]

Indeed, here is a website that proves just the OPPOSITE re: 2001 deaths. The only country with a significant Catholic population with a six-figure number is Nigeria, and this is because of the overall size of the county. For comparison sake, it had 170,000 deaths in a population of 154,000,000. By comparison, non-Catholic Ethiopia (.08% is Catholic) had 160,000 deaths, with a population of only 82,000,000. If Ethiopia were as large as Nigeria, it would have over 300,000 deaths ...

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aids/deaths.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some highlighted information:

AIDS death statistics world-wide for various countries:

* 24,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Angola 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 40,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Burundi 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 53,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Cameroon 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 120,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Democratic Republic of the Congo 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 160,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Ethiopia 2001 (CIA, 2004) (82,000,000 people)
* 28,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Ghana 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 80,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Malawi 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 60,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Mozambique 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 170,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Nigeria 2001 (CIA, 2004) (154,000,000 people; 10th largest country in the world)
* 360,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in South Africa 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 84,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Uganda 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 120,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Zambia 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 200,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Zimbabwe 2001 (CIA, 2004)


Read more at http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aid ... ck=kcplink" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[D1B]

Indeed, here is a website that proves just the OPPOSITE re: 2001 deaths. The only country with a significant Catholic population with a six-figure number is Nigeria, and this is because of the overall size of the county. For comparison sake, it had 170,000 deaths in a population of 154,000,000. By comparison, non-Catholic Ethiopia (.08% is Catholic) had 160,000 deaths, with a population of only 82,000,000. If Ethiopia were as large as Nigeria, it would have over 300,000 deaths ...

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aids/deaths.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some highlighted information:

AIDS death statistics world-wide for various countries:

* 24,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Angola 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 40,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Burundi 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 53,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Cameroon 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 120,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Democratic Republic of the Congo 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 160,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Ethiopia 2001 (CIA, 2004) (82,000,000 people)
* 28,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Ghana 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 80,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Malawi 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 60,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Mozambique 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 170,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Nigeria 2001 (CIA, 2004) (154,000,000 people; 10th largest country in the world)
* 360,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in South Africa 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 84,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Uganda 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 120,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Zambia 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 200,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Zimbabwe 2001 (CIA, 2004)


Read more at http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aid ... ck=kcplink" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This don't prove shit Joe, and you know it. This is one year of deaths and AIDS has been raging for decades. Shame on you with your scumbag lawyer shit. EVERYONE IS DEAD in your countries. Congratulations.

[JoltinJoe]

Indeed, here is a website that proves just the OPPOSITE re: 2001 deaths. The only country with a significant Catholic population with a six-figure number is Nigeria, and this is because of the overall size of the county. For comparison sake, it had 170,000 deaths in a population of 154,000,000. By comparison, non-Catholic Ethiopia (.08% is Catholic) had 160,000 deaths, with a population of only 82,000,000. If Ethiopia were as large as Nigeria, it would have over 300,000 deaths ...

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aids/deaths.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some highlighted information:

AIDS death statistics world-wide for various countries:

* 24,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Angola 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 40,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Burundi 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 53,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Cameroon 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 120,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Democratic Republic of the Congo 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 160,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Ethiopia 2001 (CIA, 2004) (82,000,000 people)
* 28,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Ghana 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 80,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Malawi 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 60,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Mozambique 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 170,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Nigeria 2001 (CIA, 2004) (154,000,000 people; 10th largest country in the world)
* 360,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in South Africa 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 84,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Uganda 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 120,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Zambia 2001 (CIA, 2004)
* 200,000 estimated deaths from AIDS in Zimbabwe 2001 (CIA, 2004)


Read more at http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aid ... ck=kcplink" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This don't prove **** Joe, and you know it. This is one year of deaths and AIDS has been raging for decades. Shame on you with your scumbag lawyer ****. EVERYONE IS DEAD in your countries. Congratulations.

Come on, I agreed with you that if one isn't going to abstain from high risk sex, then he should use a condom.

Why don't you simply agree with me that abstention, as a first-line of defense, is the better option.

These numbers are very persuasive, and you know it. The numbers show that the more Catholic an African nation is, the slower AIDS spreads and the number of AIDS death decreases.

[D1B]

This don't prove **** Joe, and you know it. This is one year of deaths and AIDS has been raging for decades. Shame on you with your scumbag lawyer ****. EVERYONE IS DEAD in your countries. Congratulations.

Come on, I agreed with you that if one isn't going to abstain from high risk sex, then he should use a condom.

Why don't you simply agree with me that abstention, as a first-line of defense, is the better option.

These numbers are very persuasive, and you know it.

Joe, of course it's a better option ultimately, but that type of behavior change takes time, especially in subsaharan, violently paternalistic africa.

Again, I'm on record as applauding the catholics for their efforts, I just wish they would added condoms to their bag of tricks decades ago. Lives would have been saved - you would have to agree.