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Cluck U wrote:
93henfan wrote:With the latest leak of the US critical assets list, Wikileaks has directly aided and abetted the enemies of the United States. I now fully support the assassination of Assange.
You must be joking.

Were the Trade Centers on the critical asset list? How about the Marine barracks in Beruit? Is Three Mile Island or the Salem Nuclear Power Plant on the list? How about the Delaware Memorial Bridge toll on a holiday weekend?

Hey, you want to kill a bunch of people on a plane? Why bother going through security? Just blow up a suitcase in the security line...before it is X-rayed. There must have been 250 people in line at BWI the other day at terminal D.

Any two bit-doofus can pick a target...and there are too many to count. And any "critical asset list" is available from multiple sources for a price..and AQ certainly has enough friends and money to make those connections.

The only thing Wiki has done is make someone hire a night watchman...for the attack that won't happen.
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Thank all the gods that Al-Qaeda wants to hit home runs instead of singles. If they really wanted to get some bang for their terror buck they'd bomb small towns in the mid-west and really spotlight how the government mostly just reacts after the fact and how they prevent very little.
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native wrote:
IF Assange were an otherwisw law abiding U.S. citizen, and IF he were providing a legitimate whistleblower function, I would agree with the libertarians on this one.

But Assange is NOT a law abiding American citizen, and he has gone WAY past any legitimate whistleblower function.

So I agree with Z and Huck. Execute the bastard.

:rofl: Dude.

He's an Aussie.
That's what I said, dufus. If he were a U.S. citizen I would care more about his rights.

But he is not, so I don't. Apologies to my friends from ozzzz.
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:rofl: Dude.

He's an Aussie.
That's what I said, dufus. If he were a U.S. citizen I would care more about his rights.

But he is not, so I don't. Apologies to my friends from ozzzz.
So which U.S. laws has he broken? Is he a terrorist? Apparently liberty doesn't extend past our borders. :dunce:
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Apparently, in Sweden, consensual sex without a condom is considered rape. :ohno:

As far as US prosecution, there is no distinction under the Espionage Act between Assange and the end users. So we are all guilty. :rofl: Good luck prosecuting that. :thumb:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/wireStory?id=12340124" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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kalm wrote:Apparently, in Sweden, consensual sex without a condom is considered rape. :ohno:

As far as US prosecution, there is no distinction under the Espionage Act between Assange and the end users. So we are all guilty. :rofl: Good luck prosecuting that. :thumb:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/wireStory?id=12340124" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From the article:

"Don't shoot the messenger..."


I was thinking this last night, perhaps Assange should withhold from delivering, but this is the nature of his website. We try to pin everything on this guy, how about we find out who's been leaking this info? Eh?
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blueballs wrote:Oh he needs to be terminated alright... but only after his website publishes the contents of the Bank of America exec's 5g hard drive that they have.

Thought you "less government" types would like a fella like him... :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
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That's what I said, dufus. If he were a U.S. citizen I would care more about his rights.

But he is not, so I don't. Apologies to my friends from ozzzz.
So which U.S. laws has he broken? Is he a terrorist? Apparently liberty doesn't extend past our borders. :dunce:
Nope. But my legal and moral willingness to tolerate bullshit decreases dramatically at the border.
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I am almost ashamed he hasn't been taken out already. He is threatening to release some really bad stuff if he is killed/arrested etc. I say take him out as he has proven he has no ethics and will take anything any criminal will give him and release it to the enemy. I hate the normal news media outlets with a passion but they sure seem like they have heard the word ethics at least once. Whether they use them or not is to be debated but this ausshole doesn't know and doesn't care. He would leak how to build a nuke if he had it. Time to cull the herd a little. :twocents:
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GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am almost ashamed he hasn't been taken out already. He is threatening to release some really bad stuff if he is killed/arrested etc. I say take him out as he has proven he has no ethics and will take anything any criminal will give him and release it to the enemy. I hate the normal news media outlets with a passion but they sure seem like they have heard the word ethics at least once. Whether they use them or not is to be debated but this ausshole doesn't know and doesn't care. He would leak how to build a nuke if he had it. Time to cull the herd a little. :twocents:
It's been widely reported that he has held back a ton of damaging information.


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native wrote:
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:rofl: Dude.

He's an Aussie.
That's what I said, dufus. If he were a U.S. citizen I would care more about his rights.

But he is not, so I don't. Apologies to my friends from ozzzz.

BS, you'd be bleating for Big Brother to eliminate him, just like you are now. :nod:

Unless he were a billionaire honk banker from Wall Street, of course....then you be whimpering about how hard the government is making his life by asking him to pay taxes like the rest of us...... :lol:
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GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am almost ashamed he hasn't been taken out already. He is threatening to release some really bad stuff if he is killed/arrested etc. I say take him out as he has proven he has no ethics and will take anything any criminal will give him and release it to the enemy. I hate the normal news media outlets with a passion but they sure seem like they have heard the word ethics at least once. Whether they use them or not is to be debated but this ausshole doesn't know and doesn't care. He would leak how to build a nuke if he had it. Time to cull the herd a little. :twocents:
Yeah, show these punks the meaning of free speech......
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houndawg wrote:
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am almost ashamed he hasn't been taken out already. He is threatening to release some really bad stuff if he is killed/arrested etc. I say take him out as he has proven he has no ethics and will take anything any criminal will give him and release it to the enemy. I hate the normal news media outlets with a passion but they sure seem like they have heard the word ethics at least once. Whether they use them or not is to be debated but this ausshole doesn't know and doesn't care. He would leak how to build a nuke if he had it. Time to cull the herd a little. :twocents:
Yeah, show these punks the meaning of free speech......
Stealing and fencing stolen goods is not the same thing as free speech.
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houndawg wrote:
native wrote:
That's what I said, dufus. If he were a U.S. citizen I would care more about his rights.

But he is not, so I don't. Apologies to my friends from ozzzz.

BS, you'd be bleating for Big Brother to eliminate him, just like you are now. :nod:

Unless he were a billionaire honk banker from Wall Street, of course....then you be whimpering about how hard the government is making his life by asking him to pay taxes like the rest of us...... :lol:

I would be delighted for a dozen bankers to be lined up and shot, to encourage the rest of them.
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GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am almost ashamed he hasn't been taken out already. He is threatening to release some really bad stuff if he is killed/arrested etc. I say take him out as he has proven he has no ethics and will take anything any criminal will give him and release it to the enemy. I hate the normal news media outlets with a passion but they sure seem like they have heard the word ethics at least once. Whether they use them or not is to be debated but this ausshole doesn't know and doesn't care. He would leak how to build a nuke if he had it. Time to cull the herd a little. :twocents:

Is it him who is truly doing the leaking? I feel his site only provides an outlet, and maybe encourages leakers/whistle-blowers to come out. He's just publishing information that others have released to him. Is that a crime in his country? I don't know. Should he be doing this? I don't agree with the publication of sensitive/secret documents that could affect a countries national security, but think we should be focusing on figuring out who is leaking/preventing future leaks that could end up in Assanges hands rather than kill this guy. What's that going to accomplish in the end? Probably nothing, there's probably enough steam behind WikiLeaks right now that simply taking out Assnage wouldn't do anything but strengthen his site or other sites that may arise. Look at Kalm's post, supporters of WikiLinks have shut down Mastercard, you think they'll just stop if Assange is killed? I think it'll be just the opposite.
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JMU DJ wrote:
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am almost ashamed he hasn't been taken out already. He is threatening to release some really bad stuff if he is killed/arrested etc. I say take him out as he has proven he has no ethics and will take anything any criminal will give him and release it to the enemy. I hate the normal news media outlets with a passion but they sure seem like they have heard the word ethics at least once. Whether they use them or not is to be debated but this ausshole doesn't know and doesn't care. He would leak how to build a nuke if he had it. Time to cull the herd a little. :twocents:

Is it him who is truly doing the leaking? I feel his site only provides an outlet, and maybe encourages leakers/whistle-blowers to come out. He's just publishing information that others have released to him. Is that a crime in his country? I don't know. Should he be doing this? I don't agree with the publication of sensitive/secret documents that could affect a countries national security, but think we should be focusing on figuring out who is leaking/preventing future leaks that could end up in Assanges hands rather than kill this guy. What's that going to accomplish in the end? Probably nothing, there's probably enough steam behind WikiLeaks right now that simply taking out Assnage wouldn't do anything but strengthen his site or other sites that may arise. Look at Kalm's post, supporters of WikiLinks have shut down Mastercard, you think they'll just stop if Assange is killed? I think it'll be just the opposite.
Sounds like they every intent on becoming cyber terrorists. The question of them being criminals is easy. If a guy robs a bank and gives you the money from it and you take it and spend it, doesn't that make you a criminal as well? Especially when you know the money was stolen. There is no reason we should be afraid of these people, we need to make them afraid of us and killing a few scum bags like Assange is a good start. They hide behind our freedoms and do nothing but try and tear them down.
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GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
Sounds like they every intent on becoming cyber terrorists. The question of them being criminals is easy. If a guy robs a bank and gives you the money from it and you take it and spend it, doesn't that make you a criminal as well? Especially when you know the money was stolen. There is no reason we should be afraid of these people, we need to make them afraid of us and killing a few scum bags like Assange is a good start. They hide behind our freedoms and do nothing but try and tear them down.
This would be true, if Assange was American and WikiLinks was based in the United States, however they are not. Swedish law is not American law, and Assange and WikiLinks aren't hiding behind our freedoms. Sure, he violated US law, but did he violate Swedish law? Again, I don't like the guy, don't like what he did, and IMO the bigger issue lies with those who are leaking rather than with an outlet that is publishing the leaks. Those who are leaking the information are the ones we should searching out. If you want to make someone afraid of us, make an example of what happens when an American leaks sensitive documents. My bet, you'll see a lot less leaks. Start at the source and you won't have a problem with Assange publishing, because he won't have anything to publish.
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JMU DJ wrote: This would be true, if Assange was American and WikiLinks was based in the United States, however they are not. Swedish law is not American law, and Assange and WikiLinks aren't hiding behind our freedoms. Sure, he violated US law, but did he violate Swedish law? Again, I don't like the guy, don't like what he did, and IMO the bigger issue lies with those who are leaking rather than with an outlet that is publishing the leaks. Those who are leaking the information are the ones we should searching out. If you want to make someone afraid of us, make an example of what happens when an American leaks sensitive documents. My bet, you'll see a lot less leaks. Start at the source and you won't have a problem with Assange publishing, because he won't have anything to publish.
We definitely need to find those leaking the documents, no doubt there. They all need to be held accountable and put in front of a firing squad.
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Check out the wikipedia entry on him. Dude literally wrote the book on computer hacking. I'm guessing he and his organization pose a very real threat to the establishment and are capable of seriously stirring the pot - not just for governments, but for large corporations as well. And as stated above, he's no different than any media outlet quoting unnamed sources or publishing leaked material. Assange himself suggests this as a new frontier of journalism where the consumer doesn't have to take the reporters word for the news, they can actually read the documents from the source itself.

I'm with Cluck on this issue. Until someone produces something he has released that seriously damages or threatens innocent people, calls to shut him down are :rofl: and amazingly hypocritical if you're the open government/free speech/liberty type. :popcorn:
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Thomas Jefferson once said "He who would trade a bit of freedom for a bit of security deserves neither." Assange has done nothing wrong that I can see other than release documents that indicate our government (and others) haven't been entirely truthful.

I fully support Julian Assange.
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ATrain wrote:Thomas Jefferson once said "He who would trade a bit of freedom for a bit of security deserves neither." Assange has done nothing wrong that I can see other than release classified documents that indicate our government (and others) haven't been entirely truthful.

I fully support Julian Assange.
You are omitting one word that makes it wrong, period. That word is classified.
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GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
ATrain wrote:Thomas Jefferson once said "He who would trade a bit of freedom for a bit of security deserves neither." Assange has done nothing wrong that I can see other than release classified documents that indicate our government (and others) haven't been entirely truthful.

I fully support Julian Assange.
You are omitting one word that makes it wrong, period. That word is classified.
Classified according to whom? I've read some of the documents myself and all it shows is that our diplomats are basically the gossiping, popular kids in high school (which is highly accurate when you see how they are selected)

Assassinating Assange accomplishes NOTHING. It would be a complete waste of resources.
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GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
ATrain wrote:Thomas Jefferson once said "He who would trade a bit of freedom for a bit of security deserves neither." Assange has done nothing wrong that I can see other than release classified documents that indicate our government (and others) haven't been entirely truthful.

I fully support Julian Assange.
You are omitting one word that makes it wrong, period. That word is classified.
I've misplaced my spy manual and I can't remember how high up the security ladder "classified" is, but if it's anything like "top secret" the whole concept has been watered down quite a bit. I think I read somewhere that upwards of 80,000 additional people gained top secrect security clearance after 9/11. :ohno:
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A hidden world, growing beyond control
These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

The investigation's other findings include:

* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

* An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.

* In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings - about 17 million square feet of space.


With the quick infusion of money, military and intelligence agencies multiplied. Twenty-four organizations were created by the end of 2001, including the Office of Homeland Security and the Foreign Terrorist Asset Tracking Task Force. In 2002, 37 more were created to track weapons of mass destruction, collect threat tips and coordinate the new focus on counterterrorism. That was followed the next year by 36 new organizations; and 26 after that; and 31 more; and 32 more; and 20 or more each in 2007, 2008 and 2009.

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DSUrocks07 wrote:
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You are omitting one word that makes it wrong, period. That word is classified.
Classified according to whom? I've read some of the documents myself and all it shows is that our diplomats are basically the gossiping, popular kids in high school (which is highly accurate when you see how they are selected)

Assassinating Assange accomplishes NOTHING. It would be a complete waste of resources.

If you don't like the law change it. But right now they are classified documents and are illegal to give to people like this. It really is a completely different argument you are trying to make. It's like saying, well, I don't agree with that law so it really isn't illegal to break it. :ohno:

Personally, I wouldn't run from these people. They should be disposed of and we should not fear any reprisals these cyber-terrorist want to inflict. They think they are anonymous and hide behind ambiguity. They really are cowards and are getting nothing useful done other than breaking the law.
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Assange is keeping Obama's promise of transparency. Good for him.
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Fiction has become fact. Assange's battle against the oppressors we call government was eerily foretold in Neal Stephenson's blockbuster, Cryptonomicon.
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