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Thursday, Dec 2, 2010 02:02 ET
Joe Lieberman emulates Chinese dictators
By Glenn Greenwald

The comparison of these two passages is so telling in so many ways:

The Washington Post, today:


Revelations by the organization WikiLeaks have received blanket coverage this week on television, in newspapers and on Web sites around the globe. But in parts of the world where the leaks have some of the greatest potential to sow controversy, they have barely caused a ripple.

Authoritarian governments and tightly controlled media in China and across the Arab Middle East have suppressed virtually all mention of the documents, avoiding the public backlash that could result from such candid portrayals of their leaders' views.

In China, the WikiLeaks site has been blocked by the government's "Great Firewall," and access to other sources for the documents has been restricted. Most Chinese are unable to read the contents of the diplomatic cables. . . .


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The Guardian, yesterday:


WikiLeaks website pulled by Amazon after US political pressure

The US struck its first blow against WikiLeaks after Amazon.com pulled the plug on hosting the whistleblowing website in reaction to heavy political pressure...

Talking Points Memo -- in an article headlined: "How Lieberman Got Amazon To Drop Wikileaks" -- detailed that Lieberman's "staffers . . . called Amazon to ask about it, and left questions with a press secretary including, 'Are there plans to take the site down?'" Shortly thereafter, "Amazon called them back . . . to say they had kicked Wikileaks off." Lieberman's spokeswoman said: "Sen. Lieberman hopes that the Amazon case will send the message to other companies that might host Wikileaks that it would be irresponsible to host the site."...

Note that Lieberman here is desperate to prevent American citizens -- not The Terrorists -- from reading the WikiLeaks documents which shed light on what the U.S. Government is doing. His concern is domestic consumption. By his own account, he did this to "send a message to other companies that might host WikiLeaks" not to do so. No matter what you think of WikiLeaks, they have never been charged with, let alone convicted of, any crime; Lieberman literally wants to dictate -- unilaterally -- what you can and cannot read on the Internet, to prevent Americans from accessing documents that much of the rest of the world is freely reading.

The Internet, of course, is rendering decrepit would-be petty tyrants like Lieberman impotent and obsolete: WikiLeaks moved its website to a Swedish server and was accessible again within hours. But any attempt by political officials to start blocking Americans' access to political content on the Internet ought to provoke serious uproar and unrest. If the Tea Party movement and the Right generally were even minimally genuine in their ostensible beliefs, few things would trigger more intense objections than a political official trying to dictate to private actors which political content they should allow on the Internet (instead, you have Newt Gingrich demanding that Assange be declared an "enemy combatant" and Sarah Palin calling for his murder). Remember, though -- as The Post told us today -- it's "authoritarian governments and tightly controlled media in China and across the Arab Middle East" which are trying to prevent citizens from learning about the WikiLeaks documents.

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Same place they were for the patriot act.
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governments wanting to get rid of wikileaks
is akin to
a poker player wanting to get rid of the guy peeking over his shoulder and reading out what cards he's holding to the other players.
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JayJ79 wrote:governments wanting to get rid of wikileaks
is akin to
a poker player wanting to get rid of the guy peeking over his shoulder and reading out what cards he's holding to the other players.
I'd say that's a good description.

BTW as a libertarian I do not believe that the public's right to know trumps national security. It is very easy to reconcile. If one thinks libertarian views would dictate outrage over this, then that person does not understand the libertarian belief system.
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What national security issue? That Russians get shitfaced at diplomatic parties? So far from what I've seen wikileaks is pretty small stuff. Other than exposing security as being embarrassingly lax, but that's on us.
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CID1990 wrote:
JayJ79 wrote:governments wanting to get rid of wikileaks
is akin to
a poker player wanting to get rid of the guy peeking over his shoulder and reading out what cards he's holding to the other players.
I'd say that's a good description.

BTW as a libertarian I do not believe that the public's right to know trumps national security. It is very easy to reconcile. If one thinks libertarian views would dictate outrage over this, then that person does not understand the libertarian belief system.
No question the gov. does things we dont need to know about. But in this case they got caught with their pants down. Regardless of what you think of wikileaks, a cornerstone of our liberty is a free, open press, that serves as a watchdog. It's one of the things that differentiates us from communist dictatorships and Islamic theocracies. Thought you and Liebermann might get that. Now you must turn in your libertarian badge immediately. :coffee:
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Stop with the national security crap.

Seriously, if that is your defense, then you are indeed a mindless tool for the pupet masters.

Cripes, you people sound as though these leaks are a wealth of information that if revealed to the general public, will turn the world upside down and into utter chaos.

Yeah, and the books that have been written about our previous meddlings into Central America, Vietnam, Africa, etc. have done exactly what? :coffee:

There are no security issues that aren't already known by anyone with half a brain. The United States engages in back door relations with other countries all the time and exchanges gobbs and gobbs of money with leaders to "keep the wheels running" more smoothly than if the "other guy" were in power.

THAT is all it ever is about. But the dirty little secret is that rarely does the "guy" in power actually matter. The "other guy" will usually be the same type of clown holding his hand out to us or threatening to take money from someone else. And, heaven help us if some of those third world countries actually get mad at their leaders and topple their corrupt governments. I mean, we wouldn't want the people (those savages!) to decide their own form of government...that would be unAmerican!

Our government blowhards are just making noise to avoid embarrassing themselves and their buddies.

Once again, turn on the light and watch the cockroaches scatter. :thumb:
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CID1990 wrote:
JayJ79 wrote:governments wanting to get rid of wikileaks
is akin to
a poker player wanting to get rid of the guy peeking over his shoulder and reading out what cards he's holding to the other players.
I'd say that's a good description.

BTW as a libertarian I do not believe that the public's right to know trumps national security. It is very easy to reconcile. If one thinks libertarian views would dictate outrage over this, then that person does not understand the libertarian belief system.
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I'd say that's a good description.

BTW as a libertarian I do not believe that the public's right to know trumps national security. It is very easy to reconcile. If one thinks libertarian views would dictate outrage over this, then that person does not understand the libertarian belief system.
No question the gov. does things we dont need to know about. But in this case they got caught with their pants down. Regardless of what you think of wikileaks, a cornerstone of our liberty is a free, open press, that serves as a watchdog. It's one of the things that differentiates us from communist dictatorships and Islamic theocracies. Thought you and Liebermann might get that. Now you must turn in your libertarian badge immediately. :coffee:
An Army PFC leaking classified information is not a free, open press. It is a security leak, plain and simple.

The only consolation in this is that it is not really a big deal in terms of revelation. All countries' diplomats gather information, assess, and report. That is what they do.

Where a leak like this becomes damaging is in situations like the one with China's relationship to North Korea. I won't go into it, but check out the NYT's report on the leaked cables pertaining to that topic. Elements in the Chinese government that support cutting N. Korea loose could well have been weakened by this.

If someone wants to scoff at the national security aspect of all this by just considering cables that call world leaders vain or libidinous, then that's fine. As a libertarian I support that person's right to be an ignoramus if they want to be an ignoramus.

Foreign relations is 50% carrot and stick, and 50% poker. Leaking these cables makes us the only player at the table holding his cards for everyone to see. I don't see anywhere in the libertarian philosophy that supports America being placed in this position.
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
No question the gov. does things we dont need to know about. But in this case they got caught with their pants down. Regardless of what you think of wikileaks, a cornerstone of our liberty is a free, open press, that serves as a watchdog. It's one of the things that differentiates us from communist dictatorships and Islamic theocracies. Thought you and Liebermann might get that. Now you must turn in your libertarian badge immediately. :coffee:
An Army PFC leaking classified information is not a free, open press. It is a security leak, plain and simple.

The only consolation in this is that it is not really a big deal in terms of revelation. All countries' diplomats gather information, assess, and report. That is what they do.

Where a leak like this becomes damaging is in situations like the one with China's relationship to North Korea. I won't go into it, but check out the NYT's report on the leaked cables pertaining to that topic. Elements in the Chinese government that support cutting N. Korea loose could well have been weakened by this.

If someone wants to scoff at the national security aspect of all this by just considering cables that call world leaders vain or libidinous, then that's fine. As a libertarian I support that person's right to be an ignoramus if they want to be an ignoramus.

Foreign relations is 50% carrot and stick, and 50% poker. Leaking these cables makes us the only player at the table holding his cards for everyone to see. I don't see anywhere in the libertarian philosophy that supports America being placed in this position.
Then you must love the clowns that have a busted-down PFC handling diplomatic traffic.

The Chinese will ditch or keep NK according to their needs, pretty small item on their agenda I'll wager.
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
No question the gov. does things we dont need to know about. But in this case they got caught with their pants down. Regardless of what you think of wikileaks, a cornerstone of our liberty is a free, open press, that serves as a watchdog. It's one of the things that differentiates us from communist dictatorships and Islamic theocracies. Thought you and Liebermann might get that. Now you must turn in your libertarian badge immediately. :coffee:
An Army PFC leaking classified information is not a free, open press. It is a security leak, plain and simple.

The only consolation in this is that it is not really a big deal in terms of revelation. All countries' diplomats gather information, assess, and report. That is what they do.

Where a leak like this becomes damaging is in situations like the one with China's relationship to North Korea. I won't go into it, but check out the NYT's report on the leaked cables pertaining to that topic. Elements in the Chinese government that support cutting N. Korea loose could well have been weakened by this.

If someone wants to scoff at the national security aspect of all this by just considering cables that call world leaders vain or libidinous, then that's fine. As a libertarian I support that person's right to be an ignoramus if they want to be an ignoramus.

Foreign relations is 50% carrot and stick, and 50% poker. Leaking these cables makes us the only player at the table holding his cards for everyone to see. I don't see anywhere in the libertarian philosophy that supports America being placed in this position.
The question isn't about the PFC leaking the info. It's Liebermann acting like the governments in the Arab world and China, trying to shut down the free press after the fact.
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If any of this jabber were really important it wouldn't have been put in writing.
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
An Army PFC leaking classified information is not a free, open press. It is a security leak, plain and simple.

The only consolation in this is that it is not really a big deal in terms of revelation. All countries' diplomats gather information, assess, and report. That is what they do.

Where a leak like this becomes damaging is in situations like the one with China's relationship to North Korea. I won't go into it, but check out the NYT's report on the leaked cables pertaining to that topic. Elements in the Chinese government that support cutting N. Korea loose could well have been weakened by this.

If someone wants to scoff at the national security aspect of all this by just considering cables that call world leaders vain or libidinous, then that's fine. As a libertarian I support that person's right to be an ignoramus if they want to be an ignoramus.

Foreign relations is 50% carrot and stick, and 50% poker. Leaking these cables makes us the only player at the table holding his cards for everyone to see. I don't see anywhere in the libertarian philosophy that supports America being placed in this position.
Then you must love the clowns that have a busted-down PFC handling diplomatic traffic.

The Chinese will ditch or keep NK according to their needs, pretty small item on their agenda I'll wager.
Actually, right now it is a pretty BIG ticket item for the Chinese. Right now there are competing factions within the Chinese government over what to do about North Korea, and whether or not they have outlived their usefulness as a buffer against a US ally sharing a border with China. If you think that is a small ticket item on their agenda, then you do not understand China.

The potential damage done by leaks like this one in particular are far reaching.
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CID1990 wrote:Actually, right now it is a pretty BIG ticket item for the Chinese. Right now there are competing factions within the Chinese government over what to do about North Korea, and whether or not they have outlived their usefulness as a buffer against a US ally sharing a border with China. If you think that is a small ticket item on their agenda, then you do not understand China.

The potential damage done by leaks like this one in particular are far reaching.
Stop the nonsense.

As bouncingboobies implied, China will do what it wants with North Korea regardless of what the world thinks. No biggie if the world knows their cards, they are going to play them anyway.

Sure, the Chinese love to put on a face, but in the end, they consider Korea to be their concern and not the world's. We had our own secret issues with Central American countries, and despite some bad press, we went about our business. Seriously, does the world fall apart each time after some ex-CIA guys release more stories about our operations?

I'll say it again...everyone in power knows each other's positions. So, the diplomat's only real function is to maintain a certain game face to the masses while the back door people do whatever is necessary to accomplish the goals.
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Then you must love the clowns that have a busted-down PFC handling diplomatic traffic.

The Chinese will ditch or keep NK according to their needs, pretty small item on their agenda I'll wager.
Actually, right now it is a pretty BIG ticket item for the Chinese. Right now there are competing factions within the Chinese government over what to do about North Korea, and whether or not they have outlived their usefulness as a buffer against a US ally sharing a border with China. If you think that is a small ticket item on their agenda, then you do not understand China.

The potential damage done by leaks like this one in particular are far reaching.
My bad, it's a big ticket item for the Chinese, OK. Still say that these gossip column leaks will have zero effect on how the Chinese decide to deal with the situation. You want to blame poor performance security-wise on some punk Australian reporter, go ahead; nobody is buying it, and it only ends up making our best and brightest look not so brightest. You'd think that having been the big dog for so long we'd have a little more insight to how the big dog does things.
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houndawg wrote:
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Actually, right now it is a pretty BIG ticket item for the Chinese. Right now there are competing factions within the Chinese government over what to do about North Korea, and whether or not they have outlived their usefulness as a buffer against a US ally sharing a border with China. If you think that is a small ticket item on their agenda, then you do not understand China.

The potential damage done by leaks like this one in particular are far reaching.
My bad, it's a big ticket item for the Chinese, OK. Still say that these gossip column leaks will have zero effect on how the Chinese decide to deal with the situation. You want to blame poor performance security-wise on some punk Australian reporter, go ahead; nobody is buying it, and it only ends up making our best and brightest look not so brightest. You'd think that having been the big dog for so long we'd have a little more insight to how the big dog does things.
Actually, I don't blame Assange one bit. I'm not sure where you got that I was placing the blame on Assange. He is no different from a politician... he is a two bit anarchist with computer skills just doing what they do.

Thew vast majority of the leaks are just ho-hum, and not really surprising to anyone. However, the assertion that the entire leak somehow fits into this category is made out of ignorance. Some of it IS damaging. Will we survive? Of course. But are some of these activities better kept secret? Yes.

As for blame, I think that for starters our PFC friend will rightly spend the rest of his life in solitary. Without him, wikileaks is just another geek dump full of truthers and Area 51 theorists.

Then we need to revamp how we share access to sensitive materials between agencies. Maybe there is no good way to do this. If we put up firewalls, then we are back to where we were before 9-11, but then now I think we are beginning to see some of the justifications for why our intelligence and reporting apparatus was so compartmentalized in the first place.
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CID1990 wrote:
Thew vast majority of the leaks are just ho-hum, and not really surprising to anyone. However, the assertion that the entire leak somehow fits into this category is made out of ignorance. Some of it IS damaging.
:coffee: For example...?
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My bad, it's a big ticket item for the Chinese, OK. Still say that these gossip column leaks will have zero effect on how the Chinese decide to deal with the situation. You want to blame poor performance security-wise on some punk Australian reporter, go ahead; nobody is buying it, and it only ends up making our best and brightest look not so brightest. You'd think that having been the big dog for so long we'd have a little more insight to how the big dog does things.
Actually, I don't blame Assange one bit. I'm not sure where you got that I was placing the blame on Assange. He is no different from a politician... he is a two bit anarchist with computer skills just doing what they do.

Thew vast majority of the leaks are just ho-hum, and not really surprising to anyone. However, the assertion that the entire leak somehow fits into this category is made out of ignorance. Some of it IS damaging. Will we survive? Of course. But are some of these activities better kept secret? Yes.

As for blame, I think that for starters our PFC friend will rightly spend the rest of his life in solitary. Without him, wikileaks is just another geek dump full of truthers and Area 51 theorists.

Then we need to revamp how we share access to sensitive materials between agencies. Maybe there is no good way to do this. If we put up firewalls, then we are back to where we were before 9-11, but then now I think we are beginning to see some of the justifications for why our intelligence and reporting apparatus was so compartmentalized in the first place.
There is no privacy in today's world, simple fact. Love to see somebody set up a data haven a la Stephenson's in Cryptonomicon. The authorities wouldn't like that at all.
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Thew vast majority of the leaks are just ho-hum, and not really surprising to anyone. However, the assertion that the entire leak somehow fits into this category is made out of ignorance. Some of it IS damaging.
:coffee: For example...?
Imagine that...a direct question gets avoided once again. :roll:

Well, we are how many days into this leak? Despite several direct questions, so far not one person on this board has come up with a single leak that is actually going to cause any real damage.

Give it a rest people, the leak will cause some folks some indigestion and embarrassment, but nothing more. :coffee:
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JayJ79 wrote:governments wanting to get rid of wikileaks
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a poker player wanting to get rid of the guy peeking over his shoulder and reading out what cards he's holding to the other players.
...while maintaining his ability to read everybody else cards. :nod:
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Cluck U wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
:coffee: For example...?
Imagine that...a direct question gets avoided once again. :roll:

Well, we are how many days into this leak? Despite several direct questions, so far not one person on this board has come up with a single leak that is actually going to cause any real damage.

Give it a rest people, the leak will cause some folks some indigestion and embarrassment, but nothing more. :coffee:
Just because I don't sit in front of the CS forum all day eating Twinkies, nervously awaiting you to post doesn't mean I'm avoiding your question.

Here's my answer, and you can call it avoiding your question if you like:

I am not going to discuss specific ramifications of the leak of classifed cables on an internet message board with you. If you look closely enough, you will see some. I will just suggest a few publications like the International Herald Tribune (a NYT shill, by the way) and you can do the searching yourself if you care to do so.

I also get the impression that when I say "damaging" you envision dire consequences. I am not implying that.
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CID1990 wrote:Just because I don't sit in front of the CS forum all day eating Twinkies, nervously awaiting you to post doesn't mean I'm avoiding your question.

Here's my answer, and you can call it avoiding your question if you like:

I am not going to discuss specific ramifications of the leak of classifed cables on an internet message board with you. If you look closely enough, you will see some. I will just suggest a few publications like the International Herald Tribune (a NYT shill, by the way) and you can do the searching yourself if you care to do so.

I also get the impression that when I say "damaging" you envision dire consequences. I am not implying that.
Twinkies? Do they still make those things?

Of course you won't, "discuss specific ramifications of the leak of classifed cables on an internet message board with" me. So far, you've got nothing to discuss...except the wacky reaction of our freedom loving government. :lol:

And yes, "damaging" has me channeling dire consequences...especially when people are calling for Assange's head.

Let's review...what has been leaked by WikiLeaks that is so bad that the world is worse off today than it was yesterday? And what has become worse in this world from all of the previous public releases of books and journals that disclosed previously classified information?

Anyone? Hello? :coffee:
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CID1990 wrote:Just because I don't sit in front of the CS forum all day eating Twinkies, nervously awaiting you to post doesn't mean I'm avoiding your question.

Here's my answer, and you can call it avoiding your question if you like:

I am not going to discuss specific ramifications of the leak of classifed cables on an internet message board with you. If you look closely enough, you will see some. I will just suggest a few publications like the International Herald Tribune (a NYT shill, by the way) and you can do the searching yourself if you care to do so.

I also get the impression that when I say "damaging" you envision dire consequences. I am not implying that.
Twinkies? Do they still make those things?

Of course you won't, "discuss specific ramifications of the leak of classifed cables on an internet message board with" me. So far, you've got nothing to discuss...except the wacky reaction of our freedom loving government. :lol:

And yes, "damaging" has me channeling dire consequences...especially when people are calling for Assange's head.

Let's review...what has been leaked by WikiLeaks that is so bad that the world is worse off today than it was yesterday? And what has become worse in this world from all of the previous public releases of books and journals that disclosed previously classified information?

Anyone? Hello? :coffee:
Anyone who is in a real position to answer your question is not going to do it, and you know that. Ironically, a lot of the fallout is.... classified.

I'll not give you examples, so you can plant your victory flag here since it seems to mean a lot to you.

BTW- Assange is an Australian citizen. I'm not sure that you need to worry about people on an internet football forum calling for his head.
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Re: The PRC of America

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CID1990 wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
Twinkies? Do they still make those things?

Of course you won't, "discuss specific ramifications of the leak of classifed cables on an internet message board with" me. So far, you've got nothing to discuss...except the wacky reaction of our freedom loving government. :lol:

And yes, "damaging" has me channeling dire consequences...especially when people are calling for Assange's head.

Let's review...what has been leaked by WikiLeaks that is so bad that the world is worse off today than it was yesterday? And what has become worse in this world from all of the previous public releases of books and journals that disclosed previously classified information?

Anyone? Hello? :coffee:
Anyone who is in a real position to answer your question is not going to do it, and you know that. Ironically, a lot of the fallout is.... classified.

I'll not give you examples, so you can plant your victory flag here since it seems to mean a lot to you.

BTW- Assange is an Australian citizen. I'm not sure that you need to worry about people on an internet football forum calling for his head.
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Re: The PRC of America

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CID1990 wrote:Anyone who is in a real position to answer your question is not going to do it, and you know that. Ironically, a lot of the fallout is.... classified.

I'll not give you examples, so you can plant your victory flag here since it seems to mean a lot to you.

BTW- Assange is an Australian citizen. I'm not sure that you need to worry about people on an internet football forum calling for his head.
:rofl:

I'm not worried about the people on the internet forum calling for his head. But, once you get out from under your covers, you might want to read up on the people out in the real world, including some government folks, who are publicly calling for his head. Too funny. :rofl:

If he released a formula that could easily turn tapwater into poison, then I might get a little miffed...but not at him.

Otherwise, it is all gamesmanship gargbage and information that could easily be obtained by the very people we think it is going to help. :coffee:
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