GSUAlumniEagle wrote:
The reason any freshman representative gets any publicity like Bachmann gets is because she asks for it. She's the little girl sitting in the corner screaming at the top of her lungs about stupid shit because she wants attention.
Ivytalk wrote:11. She rejected my advances.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
what a complete pant load.
Michele Bachmann is an unhinged housewife from Stillwater who fluked her way in to a political career by being more extreme and base-pandering than any politician I have EVER encountered on EITHER side. I should know, I was in the room in 1998 when she, a delegate to a Senate District Convention, got up and gave a cuckoo for cocoa puffs speech railing against the incumbent moderate Republican in the House, and was immediately nominated from the floor and defeated a 12 year incumbent for the endorsement. (the whole thing was plotted in advance by her and her cabal of nutter bar moms who decided pestering the local school about teaching science wasn't enough)
Bachmann is actual, for real, CRAZY. Obama was a moderate politician who had commanding presence and excellent stage craft - and was brilliant at messaging. Nothing less, nothing more. Gripe all you want about how he was treated by the press in '08... but it's bunk. He was treated that way by the press because his campaign had it's **** together, had a great, easy to understand (if banal) message that resonated. It was so simple that it was brilliant, and well executed. Bachmann on the other hand goes so far off the script and reservation, and with such alarming frequency as to render questions about her mental health legitimate and serious.
I've spent a career around Bachmann - I know her as well as an operative can know an opponent... so, here are the top 10 why she's got no f'ing shot.
1. she's erratic and shifts strategies all the damn time - and as such burns through staff at an alarming rate.
2. she cant hide the crazy long enough... her meltdown in '08 on Hardball was not her only meltdown, it's just the one the whole country saw. we had been needling her for months with a direct-mail campaign that was proving very successful - begging her to go on TV and attack us - when she finally snapped thanks in part to that, and sinking poll numbers
3. her husband... gayer than dbackjon folks... not as gay as travis, but damnit, he's trying. (i'm not kidding one bit by the way)
4. the "pray away the gay" camp that her and her husband run... the one where the kids either "succeed" or kill themselves, at an alarming rate... we didn't have the resources to investigate this fully when I worked against her, but there was a lot of smoke - and someone with a real research shop would be able to get the full story.
5. tim pawlenty - splitting her MN base.
6. sarah palin - splitting the 40 women still left in the GOP
7. the "creeping in the bushes" incident
8. her hatred of seeing herself in caricature... it's borderline pathological... it's also why we did it when i worked against her, repeatedly
9. America isn't Minnesota's 6th District, gerrymandered safe and as right-wing as it gets
10. She'll eventually say something so racist/homophobic/religiously bigoted that most sane people drop their jaw that a politician just really said that...
Baldy wrote:TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
what a complete pant load.
Michele Bachmann is an unhinged housewife from Stillwater who fluked her way in to a political career by being more extreme and base-pandering than any politician I have EVER encountered on EITHER side. I should know, I was in the room in 1998 when she, a delegate to a Senate District Convention, got up and gave a cuckoo for cocoa puffs speech railing against the incumbent moderate Republican in the House, and was immediately nominated from the floor and defeated a 12 year incumbent for the endorsement. (the whole thing was plotted in advance by her and her cabal of nutter bar moms who decided pestering the local school about teaching science wasn't enough)
Bachmann is actual, for real, CRAZY. Obama was a moderate politician who had commanding presence and excellent stage craft - and was brilliant at messaging. Nothing less, nothing more. Gripe all you want about how he was treated by the press in '08... but it's bunk. He was treated that way by the press because his campaign had it's **** together, had a great, easy to understand (if banal) message that resonated. It was so simple that it was brilliant, and well executed. Bachmann on the other hand goes so far off the script and reservation, and with such alarming frequency as to render questions about her mental health legitimate and serious.
I've spent a career around Bachmann - I know her as well as an operative can know an opponent... so, here are the top 10 why she's got no f'ing shot.
1. she's erratic and shifts strategies all the damn time - and as such burns through staff at an alarming rate.
2. she cant hide the crazy long enough... her meltdown in '08 on Hardball was not her only meltdown, it's just the one the whole country saw. we had been needling her for months with a direct-mail campaign that was proving very successful - begging her to go on TV and attack us - when she finally snapped thanks in part to that, and sinking poll numbers
3. her husband... gayer than dbackjon folks... not as gay as travis, but damnit, he's trying. (i'm not kidding one bit by the way)
4. the "pray away the gay" camp that her and her husband run... the one where the kids either "succeed" or kill themselves, at an alarming rate... we didn't have the resources to investigate this fully when I worked against her, but there was a lot of smoke - and someone with a real research shop would be able to get the full story.
5. tim pawlenty - splitting her MN base.
6. sarah palin - splitting the 40 women still left in the GOP
7. the "creeping in the bushes" incident
8. her hatred of seeing herself in caricature... it's borderline pathological... it's also why we did it when i worked against her, repeatedly
9. America isn't Minnesota's 6th District, gerrymandered safe and as right-wing as it gets
10. She'll eventually say something so racist/homophobic/religiously bigoted that most sane people drop their jaw that a politician just really said that...
If she is really all that and more, then you must really suck at your job.
TTBF- Tim would make a much better candidate, anyway.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:5. tim pawlenty - splitting her MN base.
Exactly.CID1990 wrote:It is a little tougher to be taken seriously as a conservative candidate when you are not a male over 50, but for certain the next great Republican president is not going to be one of the old men. If we see this president in the next few years it will be someone who is not currently on the radar, because no one in this current field is very impressive.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:5. tim pawlenty - splitting her MN base.
You mean the way the Media Wing of The Republican Party gave Bush a free pass???Baldy wrote:Exactly.CID1990 wrote:
It is a little tougher to be taken seriously as a conservative candidate when you are not a male over 50, but for certain the next great Republican president is not going to be one of the old men. If we see this president in the next few years it will be someone who is not currently on the radar, because no one in this current field is very impressive.
However, it doesn't matter if George Washington or Thomas Jefferson miraculously reappeared from the grave to take the Republican nomination. The Media Wing of the Democrat Party would do everything in it's power to marginalize him as some war mongering wacko extremist xenophobe with "old fashioned" ideas.
I would not vote Bachmann for President, but she is not nearly as wacko as Pelosi, Kucinich, Waters, et al...Appaholic wrote:Jesus Christ...SuperHornet wrote:
...seriously? You're going to defend Bachman? The "expandspanos" of the Republicans? The right-wing Kucinich? Your partisanship has become blind when you are willing to defend Bachman's ability to lead this country because she is a Reublican (BB) or a woman (SH). When you start doing that, you're no better than professional left-wing who support Pelosi, Feinstien & Waters.....
Ivytalk wrote:11. She rejected my advances.TwinTownBisonFan wrote: ...I've spent a career around Bachmann - I know her as well as an operative can know an opponent... so, here are the top 10 why she's got no f'ing shot.
1. she's erratic and shifts strategies all the damn time - and as such burns through staff at an alarming rate.
2. she cant hide the crazy long enough... her meltdown in '08 on Hardball was not her only meltdown, it's just the one the whole country saw. we had been needling her for months with a direct-mail campaign that was proving very successful - begging her to go on TV and attack us - when she finally snapped thanks in part to that, and sinking poll numbers
3. her husband... gayer than dbackjon folks... not as gay as travis, but damnit, he's trying. (i'm not kidding one bit by the way)
4. the "pray away the gay" camp that her and her husband run... the one where the kids either "succeed" or kill themselves, at an alarming rate... we didn't have the resources to investigate this fully when I worked against her, but there was a lot of smoke - and someone with a real research shop would be able to get the full story.
5. tim pawlenty - splitting her MN base.
6. sarah palin - splitting the 40 women still left in the GOP
7. the "creeping in the bushes" incident
8. her hatred of seeing herself in caricature... it's borderline pathological... it's also why we did it when i worked against her, repeatedly
9. America isn't Minnesota's 6th District, gerrymandered safe and as right-wing as it gets
10. She'll eventually say something so racist/homophobic/religiously bigoted that most sane people drop their jaw that a politician just really said that...
How is Obama a communist? Seriously, how? I hope you don't dodge this one like you did the last time.native wrote:Ivytalk wrote:
11. She rejected my advances.
Obama is a fvcking communist, ttbf. Even a fallen televangelist is preferable.
...but I have a DADT policy regarding which cougars you choose to pursue.
Here is YOUR answer, d:D1B wrote:How is Obama a communist? Seriously, how? I hope you don't dodge this one like you did the last time.native wrote:
Obama is a fvcking communist, ttbf. Even a fallen televangelist is preferable.
...but I have a DADT policy regarding which cougars you choose to pursue.
I though you guys were saying he was a Socialist? Or was it Marxist? Maoist? Progressive?native wrote:Here is YOUR answer, d:D1B wrote:
How is Obama a communist? Seriously, how? I hope you don't dodge this one like you did the last time.
1. Go to your medicine cabinet, take everything in it, and wash it down with a quart of everclear.
2. Go to your stashes, take/snort/smoke/shoot-up everything you've got, then follow up with another quart of everclear.
3. Take all your clothes off and stand outside while staring at the sun until enlightenment comes upon you.
If I were to post another 1,000 absurd messages such as this, I might begin to catch up to you. But I will not do so.
If anyone wishes to engage in a good faith discussion of Obama's political thinking, please start a thread and I will join in. Sad Sacks need not apply.
Don't forget muslim...JMU DJ wrote:I though you guys were saying he was a Socialist? Or was it Marxist? Maoist? Progressive?native wrote:
Here is YOUR answer, d:
1. Go to your medicine cabinet, take everything in it, and wash it down with a quart of everclear.
2. Go to your stashes, take/snort/smoke/shoot-up everything you've got, then follow up with another quart of everclear.
3. Take all your clothes off and stand outside while staring at the sun until enlightenment comes upon you.
If I were to post another 1,000 absurd messages such as this, I might begin to catch up to you. But I will not do so.
If anyone wishes to engage in a good faith discussion of Obama's political thinking, please start a thread and I will join in. Sad Sacks need not apply.
The "media wing of the republican party" doesn't include the MSM media outlets and networks such as NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NYT, Washington Post, etc.dbackjon wrote:You mean the way the Media Wing of The Republican Party gave Bush a free pass???Baldy wrote: Exactly.
However, it doesn't matter if George Washington or Thomas Jefferson miraculously reappeared from the grave to take the Republican nomination. The Media Wing of the Democrat Party would do everything in it's power to marginalize him as some war mongering wacko extremist xenophobe with "old fashioned" ideas.
+1GSUAlumniEagle wrote:Are you really trying to compare someone a freshman representative who won her seat in a gerrymandered right leaning seat to a senator who won a state wide Senate election? C'mon. That's really grasping at straws. I know you love any chance you can to throw the media under the bus, but you're really reaching.blueballs wrote:
...and a big STRIKE 1 to all of you who have completely missed my point.
The point I made is not that Bachmann is qualified or fit to serve, it is that she is every bit as qualified and as fit to serve as Barack Obama was at the same stage of his political career
The reason any freshman representative gets any publicity like Bachmann gets is because she asks for it. She's the little girl sitting in the corner screaming at the top of her lungs about stupid shit because she wants attention. Which is fine I guess, but then you can't really complain when you get found out to be what you are -- a lunatic.
JMU DJ wrote:I though you guys were saying he was a Socialist? Or was it Marxist? Maoist? Progressive?native wrote:
Here is YOUR answer, d:
1. Go to your medicine cabinet, take everything in it, and wash it down with a quart of everclear.
2. Go to your stashes, take/snort/smoke/shoot-up everything you've got, then follow up with another quart of everclear.
3. Take all your clothes off and stand outside while staring at the sun until enlightenment comes upon you.
If I were to post another 1,000 absurd messages such as this, I might begin to catch up to you. But I will not do so.
If anyone wishes to engage in a good faith discussion of Obama's political thinking, please start a thread and I will join in. Sad Sacks need not apply.
JD, my response to d had nothing to do (obviously) with BHO. It is personal between me and the dismal bros, neither of whom deserve a dignified answer - or for that matter, another molecule of oxygen. Thank you for your thoughtful, intelligent, and earnest post, ttbf.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:native and others...
you really need to take poli sci 101 again. obama is barely to the left of clinton, who was about 1/2 a degree off of dead center. if obama were really as liberal as you guys would like to think - we'd have a real national health system, Wall St. would be cowering like they did during the New Deal - taxes would be raised instead of lowered on the upper class...
honestly, what this guy has been is a consensus builder more than anything. believe me when i say the frustration by the real lefties that he hasn't gone farther is almost as bad (and almost as misinformed) as the frothing by the American right over his "socialism" (another word that cannot be properly defined or explained by most people) and this is owing to his insistence upon compromise.
point being - Obama is much more like Clinton than FDR - thus disappointing both by the right, who frankly seem to have such an entitlement attitude about power and control in this country that it's a little disconcerting (this isn't spin, it's a pattern of behavior that as a student of politics and history legitimately concerns me) and by the left who wanted a second new deal and got clinton part 2.
It's called check and balances.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:native and others...
you really need to take poli sci 101 again. obama is barely to the left of clinton, who was about 1/2 a degree off of dead center. if obama were really as liberal as you guys would like to think - we'd have a real national health system, Wall St. would be cowering like they did during the New Deal - taxes would be raised instead of lowered on the upper class...
honestly, what this guy has been is a consensus builder more than anything. believe me when i say the frustration by the real lefties that he hasn't gone farther is almost as bad (and almost as misinformed) as the frothing by the American right over his "socialism" (another word that cannot be properly defined or explained by most people) and this is owing to his insistence upon compromise.
point being - Obama is much more like Clinton than FDR - thus disappointing both by the right, who frankly seem to have such an entitlement attitude about power and control in this country that it's a little disconcerting (this isn't spin, it's a pattern of behavior that as a student of politics and history legitimately concerns me) and by the left who wanted a second new deal and got clinton part 2.
Was going to reply but Baldy beat me to it.Baldy wrote:It's called check and balances.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:native and others...
you really need to take poli sci 101 again. obama is barely to the left of clinton, who was about 1/2 a degree off of dead center. if obama were really as liberal as you guys would like to think - we'd have a real national health system, Wall St. would be cowering like they did during the New Deal - taxes would be raised instead of lowered on the upper class...
honestly, what this guy has been is a consensus builder more than anything. believe me when i say the frustration by the real lefties that he hasn't gone farther is almost as bad (and almost as misinformed) as the frothing by the American right over his "socialism" (another word that cannot be properly defined or explained by most people) and this is owing to his insistence upon compromise.
point being - Obama is much more like Clinton than FDR - thus disappointing both by the right, who frankly seem to have such an entitlement attitude about power and control in this country that it's a little disconcerting (this isn't spin, it's a pattern of behavior that as a student of politics and history legitimately concerns me) and by the left who wanted a second new deal and got clinton part 2.
Obama has stated publicly on several occasions that he is in favor of a universal, government run, single payer health care system. As far as Clinton is concerned, Hillarycare anyone?
Last year, just like in the early 90's, the public stepped up with overwhelming outrage in opposition to this far left-wing agenda item. Unfortunately, Obama isn't as politically savvy as Clinton and didn't know when to fold.
Again, if Obama didn't have Republicans standing in his way, he would have gotten the market killing, job killing, and prosperity killing "financial regulation" bill he truly wanted that would have really put the screws to Wall Street (and Main Street).
One more time, if there weren't Republicans standing in his way, Obama would have gotten his job killing tax increase for those "evil" rich people he so dearly wanted. If I tried to link to every youtube video of Obama stating how he wanted to end those "tax breaks for the wealthy", the internet would blow a fuse.
Obama moved toward the center because he was dragged there kicking and screaming. Clinton moved there voluntarily because he saw the writing on the wall and was smart enough to take the credit.
If you are on the extreme left of the scale, then from where you stand EVERYONE looks like a corporatist.dbackjon wrote:Anyone that thinks that Obama is a lefty hasn't been paying attention.
He is a corporatist....
