Congressional Protection

[BDKJMU]

It would have - he fired all 31 bullets in the magazine. He was tackled while reloading.

So you are saying he would not have been able to get a magazine that held 31 bullets if they were "illegal" in AZ?


Tell me how making it illegal has worked for keeping people from buying anything illegal? Has that worked for any illicite drugs? Did it work for booze? Has it worked for buying/selling of animals or people?

The only thing it "being illegal" would have done is added another charge to the one he is facing.

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[Ursus A. Horribilis]

It would have - he fired all 31 bullets in the magazine. He was tackled while reloading.

So you are saying he would not have been able to get a magazine that held 31 bullets if they were "illegal" in AZ?


Tell me how making it illegal has worked for keeping people from buying anything illegal? Has that worked for any illicite drugs? Did it work for booze? Has it worked for buying/selling of animals or people?

The only thing it "being illegal" would have done is added another charge to the one he is facing.

Not only that but was it bullets 20-31 that did all this? The fucking idiocy of all this and the simple solution crowd are gucking disturbing.

This guy would have found a way to do what he did without your little feel good attempt to make the clip/mag size smaller by making that illegal. Does anyone think this guy would have said "Fuck, I need a bigger magazine, this ain't gonna work so I may as well forget it!"

[clenz]

At what point do you cap mag size?

10? 12? 15? 17? 18? 21?

Fine, limit the guy to 17, he will likely go for a more damaging round.

[BlueHen86]

If there is a legitmate reason to believe that a person is unstable then that person should not be allowed to have a gun. Apparently, this guy was rejected by the military (don't know why, but they probably realized that he was in a world of shit) and was such a distraction in school that he was told not to come back with out a note from a doctor affirming his stability.

I think the NBC news said the only restrictions in AZ are that he didn't have a criminal record so he was ok'ed for a legal gun sale. With the possibility of the Fed gov taking over the healthcare system, do we want Fed funded doctors with the power to determine who is fit and unfit to exercise their constitutional right to own a firearm?

If the only alternative is to do nothing, then yes.

It shouldn't be that hard to do. They don't have to screen everyone, only the people with questionable histories, like Jared Loughner.

[BlueHen86]

Limiting gun clip size sure would have made a difference

Gun regulations would not have prevented this. As long as you deny something to someone, there will always be an illegal avenue of procurement. If it's responsibly regulated, you have better chances at having success. Sure, people go crazy but you can't go changing the system for the acts of a few.

Really? Seems like the system changed quite a bit after 9/11.

[BlueHen86]

It would have - he fired all 31 bullets in the magazine. He was tackled while reloading.

So you are saying he would not have been able to get a magazine that held 31 bullets if they were "illegal" in AZ?


Tell me how making it illegal has worked for keeping people from buying anything illegal? Has that worked for any illicite drugs? Did it work for booze? Has it worked for buying/selling of animals or people?

The only thing it "being illegal" would have done is added another charge to the one he is facing.

Are you suggesting that everything should be legal since we can't stop crime? Just because some people will break the law is not a reason to abolish laws.

[Skjellyfetti]

And no way crazy fucktards like the VT shooter and this guy should be able to walk into a gun shop and legally buy a gun. There needs to be better screening.

Yeah, they could have bought a gun on the black market anyway... but, that takes time and connections... and socially retarded folks don't have the connections to buy black market anything.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I would certainly be in favor of banning guns within a certain distance of a political event.

That will fix the whole problem, good call. If there is a law nobody will break it especially those that REALLY want to do harm to a politician.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Bottom line is MORE people need to carry if they dont want to be victims.

People that want to cap magazine size and add more hoops to jump through while legally purchasing a gun need to attend more political rallies in AZ.

[kalm]

... You think treason is justified because you believe people in government aren't following the Constitution. Our system is set up to determine what is or isn't consitutional. Let the system work.

Treason is NEVER justified.

You are EXACTLY right, skelly, but your side will not allow the Constitution to work. We have a whole sh!tload of politicians - mostly Dems but plenty of Repubs - who have persistently used extra-Constitutional means to achieve unconstitutional ends.

Erosion of and lack of respect for the Constitution - not free speech - is the overriding fundamental problem in public discourse.

Both sides threaten the constitution Nate.

[Wedgebuster]

There is no "sides" there is only the constitution and my own interpretation of it. When a candidate wins an election and sees the constitution the way I do, that is democracy. If the candidate does not see it the way I do, then they are marxists, nazis, socialists, anti-americans, conks, donks, and/or coloreds and they need to be taken down by any means, including cross-hairs on their map.

That's what my constitution says to me, my way or the highway.

Let the revolution begin!

[dbackjon]

It would have - he fired all 31 bullets in the magazine. He was tackled while reloading.

And if several people in that crowd had been carrying concealed, he likely wouldn't have gotten off 31 rounds. If it had been a Republican Congressman, odds are there would have been a # of supporters in close proximity who were carrying.

The speed in which he fired them off makes that unlikely. And there were several armed citizens in the crowd - one of the tacklers was armed.

[89Hen]

one of the tacklers was armed.

Um, not sure he was really "armed" if he tackled him...

[kalm]

There is no "sides" there is only the constitution and my own interpretation of it. When a candidate wins an election and sees the constitution the way I do, that is democracy. If the candidate does not see it the way I do, then they are marxists, nazis, socialists, anti-americans, conks, donks, and/or coloreds and they need to be taken down by any means, including cross-hairs on their map.

That's what my constitution says to me, my way or the highway.

Let the revolution begin!

You are so wrong about your constitution. It says something completely different.

[native]

You are EXACTLY right, skelly, but your side will not allow the Constitution to work. We have a whole sh!tload of politicians - mostly Dems but plenty of Repubs - who have persistently used extra-Constitutional means to achieve unconstitutional ends.

Erosion of and lack of respect for the Constitution - not free speech - is the overriding fundamental problem in public discourse.

Both sides threaten the constitution Nate.

What a pleasant fiction for you, kalm. Your statement, of course is true, but the damages and threats are not "equal opportunity."

[Appaholic]

It would have - he fired all 31 bullets in the magazine. He was tackled while reloading.

So you are saying he would not have been able to get a magazine that held 31 bullets if they were "illegal" in AZ?


Tell me how making it illegal has worked for keeping people from buying anything illegal? Has that worked for any illicite drugs? Did it work for booze? Has it worked for buying/selling of animals or people?

Making it illegal to cross the southern border of our country undocumented has definitely worked....no...wait, I mean.....

[kalm]

Both sides threaten the constitution Nate.

What a pleasant fiction for you, kalm. Your statement, of course is true, but the damages and threats are not "equal opportunity."

So which is it? Truth or fiction?

We can debate which side poses the greater threat, but I think Citizens United strikes a pretty significant blow to your freedom of speech. And that was handed to us by five robed conks.

[Col Hogan]

And if several people in that crowd had been carrying concealed, he likely wouldn't have gotten off 31 rounds. If it had been a Republican Congressman, odds are there would have been a # of supporters in close proximity who were carrying.

The speed in which he fired them off makes that unlikely. And there were several armed citizens in the crowd - one of the tacklers was armed.

I saw an interview with that man last night...he was inside the Safeway as shooting broke out...he ran towards the shooting and by the time he was outside the shooter had been tackled...so he said he chose not to draw his weapon but did help keep the shooter down...

[native]

My quote about treason. It's been in my **** sig for about 18 months and NOW it's disturbing?

It has always been disturbing. I just felt the need to comment on it.

You think treason is justified because you believe people in government aren't following the Constitution. Our system is set up to determine what is or isn't consitutional. Let the system work.

Treason is NEVER justified.

"If the government doesn't follow the constitution, what's treason?"

You find AZ's quote disturbing?!??? I find treason and treason-like government trampling of the Constitution far more disturbing.

[YoUDeeMan]

Should the US Government create an agency or expand the Secret Service to provide small protection details for members of Congress?

Sure, more government expenses...what a great idea! Thanks, Travis, for such a well reasoned reaction to the recent wave of Congressional shootings. I mean, our elected officials are dropping like flies.

UNH loves his rich people and celebs! Protect the Queen, protect the Kennedy’s, protect our sacred jewels...but ignore the +16,000 murders of the peons each year.

[native]

...Thanks, Travis, for such a well reasoned reaction to the recent wave of Congressional shootings. I mean, our elected officials are dropping like flies.

UNH loves his rich people and celebs! Protect the Queen, protect the Kennedy’s, protect our sacred jewels...but ignore the +16,000 murders of the peons each year.

[Ibanez]

Gun regulations would not have prevented this. As long as you deny something to someone, there will always be an illegal avenue of procurement. If it's responsibly regulated, you have better chances at having success. Sure, people go crazy but you can't go changing the system for the acts of a few.

Really? Seems like the system changed quite a bit after 9/11.

One crazy independent is different than supporters of a knowingly active and hostile terrorist group that has been attacking us for years prior to 911.

[Ibanez]

Let's be serious...


This is George Bush's fault.

[Skjellyfetti]

"If the government doesn't follow the constitution, what's treason?"

You find AZ's quote disturbing?!??? I find treason and treason-like government trampling of the Constitution far more disturbing.

"Treason-like"

What the fuck does that mean? You seem to be pussyfooting around calling the government treasonous.

Why don't you just say what you believe... is the government treasonous, native?

[Wedgebuster]

"If the government doesn't follow the constitution, what's treason?"

You find AZ's quote disturbing?!??? I find treason and treason-like government trampling of the Constitution far more disturbing.

"Treason-like"

What the fuck does that mean? You seem to be pussyfooting around calling the government treasonous.

Why don't you just say what you believe... is the government treasonous, native?

Yes, and he is prepared to take arms against it to get his way just like his buddy in Arizona, because darn it, he knows right from wrong.