Would Stricter Gun Control Laws Prevent Shootings?

[kalm]

Serious question for hand gun owners.

How many times if any have you used your weapon in self defense? Do you know any other people who have?

I don't own a hand gun so I ain't the target audience I guess.

If you are just wondering about stories though there are many to be had out there about citizens thwarting crime and using their weapon in self defense.

We're not going back to the fire extinguisher thing that Col. Hogan smashed skelly on are we?

There are probably just as many accidental shootings as crime stoppages.

But I don't like the sound of the fire extinguisher thingy so I should probably steer clear.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I don't own a hand gun so I ain't the target audience I guess.

If you are just wondering about stories though there are many to be had out there about citizens thwarting crime and using their weapon in self defense.

We're not going back to the fire extinguisher thing that Col. Hogan smashed skelly on are we?

There are probably just as many accidental shootings as crime stoppages.

But I don't like the sound of the fire extinguisher thingy so I should probably steer clear.

No I don't think we have a big instance of either when it's looked upon as a whole but accidental shootings are very uncommon. You could go read the Armed Citizen website where they publish the stories of citizens like you are asking about though.

Fire extinguisher...yeah you are going down the same road that skelly got his guts stomped out on last week.

Cluck made the point to you that Col made to skelly but you took it and moved on and that makes a world of difference.

Why didn't you reply to the kennesaw GA link that I posted for ya? It was cogent to the path we were taking yesterday afternoon and I didn't know if you had heard of that place or not and their law requiring a gun in the home?

[clenz]

Serious question for hand gun owners.

How many times if any have you used your weapon in self defense? Do you know any other people who have?

Have I ever used my hand gun in self defense? No, I've never shot at anyone.

Has there been suspicious knocking on the outside of my house and figures right outside my windows and I've pull my gun out just in case? You bet because my houses windows aren't something people are just by. Our house is set back off the street a ways on top of a hill.

Do I know someone who has used their gun in self defense? Yup, a couple of people actually. None of them were charged in the cases either as it was deemed to be self defense.

[Grizalltheway]

There are probably just as many accidental shootings as crime stoppages.

But I don't like the sound of the fire extinguisher thingy so I should probably steer clear.

No I don't think we have a big instance of either when it's looked upon as a whole but accidental shootings are very uncommon. You could go read the Armed Citizen website where they publish the stories of citizens like you are asking about though.

Fire extinguisher...yeah you are going down the same road that skelly got his guts stomped out on last week.

Cluck made the point to you that Col made to skelly but you took it and moved on and that makes a world of difference.

Why didn't you reply to the kennesaw GA link that I posted for ya? It was cogent to the path we were taking yesterday afternoon and I didn't know if you had heard of that place or not and their law requiring a gun in the home?

Switzerland has a similar deal, but I believe they're required to keep assault rifles in their homes. I would think that Israel does it, too.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

No I don't think we have a big instance of either when it's looked upon as a whole but accidental shootings are very uncommon. You could go read the Armed Citizen website where they publish the stories of citizens like you are asking about though.

Fire extinguisher...yeah you are going down the same road that skelly got his guts stomped out on last week.

Cluck made the point to you that Col made to skelly but you took it and moved on and that makes a world of difference.

Why didn't you reply to the kennesaw GA link that I posted for ya? It was cogent to the path we were taking yesterday afternoon and I didn't know if you had heard of that place or not and their law requiring a gun in the home?

Switzerland has a similar deal, but I believe they're required to keep assault rifles in their homes. I would think that Israel does it, too.

Yeah Israel is the first place I thought of that would probably have that. I was unaware of the Swiss though. Good info. GATW, do you know how anything about their crime rates, or shootings, or accidental deaths? I ain't got the notion to go look it up right now.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Serious question for hand gun owners.

How many times if any have you used your weapon in self defense? Do you know any other people who have?

Never

Yes I know one guy in Arizona that killed an intruder in his home, 3 shots center mass with a .357. Bill was a little shook up for about 45 mins.

[Grizalltheway]

Only 2 murders per 100k population according to this site.

http://www.prenhall.com/divisions/hss/w ... crime.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not sure about accidental shootings and such, but I'd think since military service is compulsory for all males that there wouldn't be all that many.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Only 2 murders per 100k population according to this site.

http://www.prenhall.com/divisions/hss/w ... crime.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not sure about accidental shootings and such, but I'd think since military service is compulsory for all males that there wouldn't be all that many.

Yeah no doubt on that one.

[kalm]

There are probably just as many accidental shootings as crime stoppages.

But I don't like the sound of the fire extinguisher thingy so I should probably steer clear.

No I don't think we have a big instance of either when it's looked upon as a whole but accidental shootings are very uncommon. You could go read the Armed Citizen website where they publish the stories of citizens like you are asking about though.

Fire extinguisher...yeah you are going down the same road that skelly got his guts stomped out on last week.

Cluck made the point to you that Col made to skelly but you took it and moved on and that makes a world of difference.

Why didn't you reply to the kennesaw GA link that I posted for ya? It was cogent to the path we were taking yesterday afternoon and I didn't know if you had heard of that place or not and their law requiring a gun in the home?

Ok, so I just read it, and I say good for them. Crime rate is down, no accidental shootings, etc.

I also read their wiki page, and it sounds like a nice place to live. But demographics might also play a role as it appears to be a small, upper middle class suburb where one might expect the crime rate to be low anyway. The article states it has fallen, I wonder by how much and how that compares to other cities over the same time frame.

Not to go all Johnnystorange on ya.

[Baldy]

Only 2 murders per 100k population according to this site.

http://www.prenhall.com/divisions/hss/w ... crime.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not sure about accidental shootings and such, but I'd think since military service is compulsory for all males that there wouldn't be all that many.

I would also imagine that living in a homogeneous society is a major factor, also.

[BDKJMU]

No dip****, you listed who you claimed were your sources, but you didn't give a link. Let me educate you on what a link is.
-it starts with "http://"
-followed by "www."
-it usually ends in ".com", but also ".org", or ".gov" or ".edu"
Learn to read.

I aint doin your work for you, you lazy dumb piece of ****. Try Google, Shitforbrains.

And I ain't doing your work for you either you lazy dumb piece of shit. It's YOUR JOB to defend your BS, not mine. Every time you post a bunch of stats from some lefty site, I'm not going to waste my time trying to come up with sources for your BS drivel. You gonna post it, you gotta back it up with links.

Like I thought. I asked for a link, and you couldn't provide one. All you can do is try to deflect.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

No I don't think we have a big instance of either when it's looked upon as a whole but accidental shootings are very uncommon. You could go read the Armed Citizen website where they publish the stories of citizens like you are asking about though.

Fire extinguisher...yeah you are going down the same road that skelly got his guts stomped out on last week.

Cluck made the point to you that Col made to skelly but you took it and moved on and that makes a world of difference.

Why didn't you reply to the kennesaw GA link that I posted for ya? It was cogent to the path we were taking yesterday afternoon and I didn't know if you had heard of that place or not and their law requiring a gun in the home?

Ok, so I just read it, and I say good for them. Crime rate is down, no accidental shootings, etc.

I also read their wiki page, and it sounds like a nice place to live. But demographics might also play a role as it appears to be a small, upper middle class suburb where one might expect the crime rate to be low anyway. The article states it has fallen, I wonder by how much and how that compares to other cities over the same time frame.

Not to go all Johnnystorange on ya.

I know there are always several other factors and the declining crime rate in general would surely be a part of the equation. My only point on it is that a while back you made the statement that stricter gun control laws would be a way to make us all safer as a society and thinking anything different is just silly. I just don't buy into the thought that it would or that it is a silly point to defend.

[kalm]

Ok, so I just read it, and I say good for them. Crime rate is down, no accidental shootings, etc.

I also read their wiki page, and it sounds like a nice place to live. But demographics might also play a role as it appears to be a small, upper middle class suburb where one might expect the crime rate to be low anyway. The article states it has fallen, I wonder by how much and how that compares to other cities over the same time frame.

Not to go all Johnnystorange on ya.

I know there are always several other factors and the declining crime rate in general would surely be a part of the equation. My only point on it is that a while back you made the statement that stricter gun control laws would be a way to make us all safer as a society and thinking anything different is just silly. I just don't buy into the thought that it would or that it is a silly point to defend.

We're arguing semantics then. As I admitted earlier, I didn't read the question as "would any type of gun control laws prevent shootings"? Besides, my statement you take acception to was so three days ago.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I know there are always several other factors and the declining crime rate in general would surely be a part of the equation. My only point on it is that a while back you made the statement that stricter gun control laws would be a way to make us all safer as a society and thinking anything different is just silly. I just don't buy into the thought that it would or that it is a silly point to defend.

We're arguing semantics then. As I admitted earlier, I didn't read the question as "would any type of gun control laws prevent shootings"? Besides, my statement you take acception to was so three days ago.

Your unwillingness to respond in a timely fashion puts the aged subject matter at your feet. I ain't fallin' for the old banana in the tail pipe trick.

I like that you have taken to making up words though! It's a favorite past time of mine as well.

[kalm]

We're arguing semantics then. As I admitted earlier, I didn't read the question as "would any type of gun control laws prevent shootings"? Besides, my statement you take acception to was so three days ago.

Your unwillingness to respond in a timely fashion puts the aged subject matter at your feet. I ain't fallin' for the old banana in the tail pipe trick.

I like that you have taken to making up words though! It's a favorite past time of mine as well.

Good christ, you're a tenacious little pecker ain't ya? I didn't write the open ended poll question did I? Anybody who answered flat out that gun control laws do not prevent shootings is still silly. You're excellent job of holding my feet to the fire not withstanding.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Your unwillingness to respond in a timely fashion puts the aged subject matter at your feet. I ain't fallin' for the old banana in the tail pipe trick.

I like that you have taken to making up words though! It's a favorite past time of mine as well.

Good christ, you're a tenacious little pecker ain't ya? I didn't write the open ended poll question did I? Anybody who answered flat out that gun control laws do not prevent shootings is still silly. You're excellent job of holding my feet to the fire not withstanding.

yes.

[kalm]

Good christ, you're a tenacious little pecker ain't ya? I didn't write the open ended poll question did I? Anybody who answered flat out that gun control laws do not prevent shootings is still silly. You're excellent job of holding my feet to the fire not withstanding.

yes.

Touche!

[youngterrier]

most gun related crimes are executed by handguns

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

and bullets.......................... and people pulling the trigger.

[houndawg]

If your worried about getting shot by a guy like that.

Arm yourself. (Compact XD .45 ACP) (Its so choice)

Won't help.

No matter you do, he gets to shoot first. If he misses, then you get to shoot, if he doesn't miss, you're screwed.

If you shoot first you're murderer.

If Giffords had a gun she'd be exactly where she is today.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If Obama wasnt black and born overseas he wouldnt have been elected.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Won't help.

No matter you do, he gets to shoot first. If he misses, then you get to shoot, if he doesn't miss, you're screwed.

If you shoot first you're murderer.

If Giffords had a gun she'd be exactly where she is today.

If Giffords had a gun and maybe one or two others that got shot had guns as well then Giffords would probably be the only one exactly where she is today and the assailant would be in the place of the other 5 or 6 he tagged. Seems like a win considering the outcome we have.

[houndawg]

If Giffords had a gun she'd be exactly where she is today.

If Giffords had a gun and maybe one or two others that got shot had guns as well then Giffords would probably be the only one exactly where she is today and the assailant would be in the place of the other 5 or 6 he tagged. Seems like a win considering the outcome we have.

Maybe.

Maybe a few extra die in friendly cross-fire or from rounds passing through the perp.

[kalm]

If Giffords had a gun and maybe one or two others that got shot had guns as well then Giffords would probably be the only one exactly where she is today and the assailant would be in the place of the other 5 or 6 he tagged. Seems like a win considering the outcome we have.

Maybe.

Maybe a few extra die in friendly cross-fire or from rounds passing through the perp.

That's kind of what I was getting at before. How many stories have we heard of gunmen being thwarted or lives being saved by innocent bystanders who happened to be carrying. (Other than convenience store owners - don't mess with those motherfuckers). Perhaps the answer is eveyone needs to be armed just like in the old west.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Maybe.

Maybe a few extra die in friendly cross-fire or from rounds passing through the perp.

That's kind of what I was getting at before. How many stories have we heard of gunmen being thwarted or lives being saved by innocent bystanders who happened to be carrying. (Other than convenience store owners - don't mess with those motherfuckers). Perhaps the answer is eveyone needs to be armed just like in the old west.

I don't think those stories get the heat they should and maybe we just don't hear em' as often. Did you read the pages and pages of stories on Armed Citizen? I think those are all the local type stories combined into one place so they are out there if you want to read them.

Stray bullets don't seem to be nearly the danger in these situations that the actual criminal trying to do damage is. I'd have no problem with everyone being armed like the old west.