Philadelphia Abortion Doctor

[JoltinJoe]

He did say post-birth abortion. As in murdering a baby outside the womb. . .

Yes he did. So he's saying he's OK with people getting them.

I'm 100% confident he was mocking the slogan, "don't like abortions, don't have one."

[GannonFan]

I am as pro-choice as it gets and that is a serious ******* statement.

Hey, you should know then that it's practically impossible to get an abortion in this country. This is the **** that happens.

I know you've already backed off of this comment, but these people could've gotten legal abortions just 30 blocks away in the same city. Basically a 15 minute bus ride on SEPTA. While there are real issues with availability of these services elsewhere in the country, no such issue existed in this case.

[CID1990]

The deregulation that made this guy's activities easy to get away with for years was implemented by Tom Ridge, a pro-choice Republican governor.

Ridge and his staff deregulated certain oversight mechanisms in PA because they were concerned that with those systems in place, some women might be afraid to seek abortions.

There's a lot of material coming out on this on the net now. It is sort of ironic, given D1B's statements concerning women being afraid or unable to obtain abortions, yet the rules that were relaxed that enabled this guy were relaxed to prevent exactly what D1B was talking about.

By a Republican governor, no less.

[Pwns]

I guess I took it as sarcasm. If not, well that's messed up.

I didn't see it that way.

Of course it was sarcasm. Just using the moral relativism logical fallacy that too many pro-abortion folks use.

Ridge and his staff deregulated certain oversight mechanisms in PA because they were concerned that with those systems in place, some women might be afraid to seek abortions.

Just a thought, it seems that those that claim to be advocates of "women's rights" tend to be the ones that think women are the most frail and helpless.

[89Hen]

I didn't see it that way.

Of course it was sarcasm. Just using the moral relativism logical fallacy that too many pro-abortion folks use.

Gotcha.

[Appaholic]

To make an omelet, you've got to crack some eggs. This guy did society a favor. The same women who sought out his services would have used that same judgement when applying some their "parenting" skills. Sure, his method was barbaric, but it was efficient & in line with trying to keep healthcare costs down. There's eight more beds available in the local prison 15 yrs from now thanks to this doctor.

[andy7171]

To make an omelet, you've got to crack some eggs. This guy did society a favor. The same women who sought out his services would have used that same judgement when applying some their "parenting" skills. Sure, his method was barbaric, but it was efficient & in line with trying to keep healthcare costs down. There's eight more beds available in the local prison 15 yrs from now thanks to this doctor.

And the adoption lines just got longer.

[89Hen]

To make an omelet, you've got to crack some eggs. This guy did society a favor. The same women who sought out his services would have used that same judgement when applying some their "parenting" skills. Sure, his method was barbaric, but it was efficient & in line with trying to keep healthcare costs down. There's eight more beds available in the local prison 15 yrs from now thanks to this doctor.

At least one of the pro-choice folks has the guts to stand by their position.

[Chizzang]

To make an omelet, you've got to crack some eggs. This guy did society a favor. The same women who sought out his services would have used that same judgement when applying some their "parenting" skills. Sure, his method was barbaric, but it was efficient & in line with trying to keep healthcare costs down. There's eight more beds available in the local prison 15 yrs from now thanks to this doctor.

At least one of the pro-choice folks has the guts to stand by their position.

I certainly think abortion should be legal - but - regulated obviously...
I look at it as a right and the only things effecting that right are:
Religious based legislation
and
Slippery moralizing legislation

Stories like this aren't any more disturbing to me than stories of dismembered and wounded children in Iraq and Afgan and starving children in Africa etc. etc.

Legal safe and responsibly monitored abortion rights = I'm 100% for it




Number of people worldwide who will die as a result of malnutrition this year: 20 million
How frequently a child dies as a result of malnutrition: every 2.3 seconds

Abortion doesn't really concern me when numbers like these (above) are only getting worse....

[Vidav]

At least one of the pro-choice folks has the guts to stand by their position.

I certainly think abortion should be legal - but - regulated obviously...
I look at it as a right and the only things effecting that right are:
Religious based legislation
and
Slippery moralizing legislation

Stories like this aren't any more disturbing to me than stories of dismembered and wounded children in Iraq and Afgan and starving children in Africa etc. etc.

Legal safe and responsibly monitored abortion rights = I'm 100% for it




Number of people worldwide who will die as a result of malnutrition this year: 20 million
How frequently a child dies as a result of malnutrition: every 2.3 seconds

Abortion doesn't really concern me when numbers like these (above) are only getting worse....

+1

[D1B]

To make an omelet, you've got to crack some eggs. This guy did society a favor. The same women who sought out his services would have used that same judgement when applying some their "parenting" skills. Sure, his method was barbaric, but it was efficient & in line with trying to keep healthcare costs down. There's eight more beds available in the local prison 15 yrs from now thanks to this doctor.

At least one of the pro-choice folks has the guts to stand by their position.

I wish your mother and her unemployed Italian boyfriend had an abortion.

[Col Hogan]

Its so easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one...

[D1B]

Its so easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one...

It's also easy to be against them when you can't get pregnant and you can just walk away, any time with little or no pain or responsibility.

[Chizzang]

Its so easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one...

It's also easy to be a war-hawk when you don't have to take care of the tens of thousands of orphaned children...

I'll make you a deal:
I'm willing to suggest that any mans opinion on abortion (especially my own) is meaningless if you're willing to admit that if men got pregnant you could get an abortion at the airport or the shopping mall...

[travelinman67]

I am as pro-choice as it gets and that is a serious asshole statement.

Hey, you should know then that it's practically impossible to get an abortion in this country. This is the shit that happens.

Mouth opens, bullshit comes out...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/nyreg ... ritic.html

Abortion: Easy Access, Complex Everything Else

By ARIEL KAMINER
Published: January 21, 2011

Congratulations, New York City, did you hear the news? Fire-and-brimstone predictions from across the country have been confirmed. This is officially the abortion capital of America. A health department report released last month proves it: about 40 percent of all pregnancies in the city end that way, an average of about 90,000 a year in recent years.

No one is exactly celebrating the title. Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan and a group of multidenominationally horrified clergy condemned the statistics this month. Even abortion rights advocates expressed some concern about the numbers, trying to change the conversation to a broader one on reproductive health. As for ordinary citizens, many just wondered: Really? That many?

Abortion is complicated, even in its capital city. Perhaps especially so: New Yorkers seeking to terminate a pregnancy can choose from more kinds of procedures at more kinds of facilities with fewer obstacles — and more ways to pay — than just about any place else. Women can get abortions in private doctors’ offices, at public hospitals or at clinics, some of which do not require an appointment.

“They say, ‘I need help,’ ” said a doctor who works at one community health clinic. “ ‘What should I do? Where can you send me?’ And I say, I don’t need to send you anywhere. We can do that here.” Specifically, doctors can administer the combination of pills that, when taken before the ninth week of pregnancy, produce what is known as a medical (rather than a surgical) abortion.

Things can move very quickly. Within an hour of her arrival at that doctor’s office, a patient obtaining that procedure might sign a consent form, make arrangements for the $375 fee — covered by most insurance — and take the first dose of medication. She would leave the office with four more pills to be taken later, a prescription for pain medication and the doctor’s personal cellphone number, in case of questions. “I’m old enough to remember pre-Roe-v-Wade days,” the doctor said. “A little bit of inconvenience for me is nothing compared to what people used to go through.”

America's urban areas have become murder assembly lines.

[D1B]

Hey, you should know then that it's practically impossible to get an abortion in this country. This is the shit that happens.

Mouth opens, bullshit comes out...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/nyreg ... ritic.html

Abortion: Easy Access, Complex Everything Else

By ARIEL KAMINER
Published: January 21, 2011

Congratulations, New York City, did you hear the news? Fire-and-brimstone predictions from across the country have been confirmed. This is officially the abortion capital of America. A health department report released last month proves it: about 40 percent of all pregnancies in the city end that way, an average of about 90,000 a year in recent years.

No one is exactly celebrating the title. Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan and a group of multidenominationally horrified clergy condemned the statistics this month. Even abortion rights advocates expressed some concern about the numbers, trying to change the conversation to a broader one on reproductive health. As for ordinary citizens, many just wondered: Really? That many?

Abortion is complicated, even in its capital city. Perhaps especially so: New Yorkers seeking to terminate a pregnancy can choose from more kinds of procedures at more kinds of facilities with fewer obstacles — and more ways to pay — than just about any place else. Women can get abortions in private doctors’ offices, at public hospitals or at clinics, some of which do not require an appointment.

“They say, ‘I need help,’ ” said a doctor who works at one community health clinic. “ ‘What should I do? Where can you send me?’ And I say, I don’t need to send you anywhere. We can do that here.” Specifically, doctors can administer the combination of pills that, when taken before the ninth week of pregnancy, produce what is known as a medical (rather than a surgical) abortion.

Things can move very quickly. Within an hour of her arrival at that doctor’s office, a patient obtaining that procedure might sign a consent form, make arrangements for the $375 fee — covered by most insurance — and take the first dose of medication. She would leave the office with four more pills to be taken later, a prescription for pain medication and the doctor’s personal cellphone number, in case of questions. “I’m old enough to remember pre-Roe-v-Wade days,” the doctor said. “A little bit of inconvenience for me is nothing compared to what people used to go through.”

America's urban areas have become murder assembly lines.

Hey Whackjob, get ready, you're gonna take another beating, you dumbass. It is impossible to get an abortion in this country because of you meddling assholes. Just because it's easy in New York doesn't mean it's easy everywhere.

(Parroting Cleets ) Do you read your sources? Seriously, get a clue.

Unlike many other places, New York has not passed laws limiting access to abortions. Patients do not have to return to the clinic on two separate days. They do not have to be told about what the fetus will experience, or have to look at the fetus on a monitor or have the procedure narrated to them in real time. Teenagers do not need parental consent.

In many other parts of the country, doctors who want to perform surgical abortions have to go out of their way to learn how. In New York, such training is a standard part of the curriculum for obstetric and gynecological residents. So instead of quarantining abortion into special clinics, many doctors offer it as part of a menu of services.

In New York, unlike in most states, Medicaid covers abortion. (In 2009, counselors at Planned Parenthood’s four clinics across the city helped more than 6,800 patients who were eligible to sign up for that program.)

Finally, New York’s public hospitals are unusual for being under the control of the mayor. Just try to get elected mayor of New York without demonstrating clear support for abortion rights.

All of these circumstances have combined to make New York something of a magnet — for doctors who wish to practice without restrictions, for women who want to live in an atmosphere of sexual self-determination and even for out-of-towners who want to end a pregnancy without stigma, without hassle or just without bumping into their neighbor on the way into the clinic. In 2009, 8 percent of the abortions performed across the city were for patients who live elsewhere. In addition to everything else, our abortion industry may function as something of a tourist attraction.

Go fuck yourself Tman - you've officially become bonkers.

[Col Hogan]

Its so easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one...

It's also easy to be a war-hawk when you don't have to take care of the tens of thousands of orphaned children...

I'll make you a deal:
I'm willing to suggest that any mans opinion on abortion (especially my own) is meaningless if you're willing to admit that if men got pregnant you could get an abortion at the airport or the shopping mall...

Would you accept my wife's opinion...or my daughter's...or from my son's S.O....or how about my 16 year old niece from Massachusetts...since all four marched Monday in the National Right to Life Rally in Washington...

Are their opinions meaningless???

See, I go to them for my opinion on this subject...

[JoltinJoe]

It's also easy to be a war-hawk when you don't have to take care of the tens of thousands of orphaned children...

I'll make you a deal:
I'm willing to suggest that any mans opinion on abortion (especially my own) is meaningless if you're willing to admit that if men got pregnant you could get an abortion at the airport or the shopping mall...

Would you accept my wife's opinion...or my daughter's...or from my son's S.O....or how about my 16 year old niece from Massachusetts...since all four marched Monday in the National Right to Life Rally in Washington...

Are their opinions meaningless???

See, I go to them for my opinion on this subject...

That annual March for Life has really become a movement -- an amazing event which has become emboldened by the surge of support from teens and people in the early 20s. The message has always been right and the messengers are winning over public opinion. The latest Gallup poll shows that 50% of Americans now label themselves as "pro life" while only 42 describe themselves as "pro choice." This is remarkable turnaround from the days when pro choice supporters were a clear majority of the American population, and their leadership marginalized those who called themselves "pro life" as out-of-step extremists. Even the media, which had historically labeled pro-lifers as "anti-abortion," now use the term "pro life."

Tellingly, the "pro choice" movement is giving themselves away. They had always said that abortion should "be safe, legal and rare," but now that is becoming more rare, they decry this. Turns out they were really pro-abortion all along, doesn't it?

[kalm]

Would you accept my wife's opinion...or my daughter's...or from my son's S.O....or how about my 16 year old niece from Massachusetts...since all four marched Monday in the National Right to Life Rally in Washington...

Are their opinions meaningless???

See, I go to them for my opinion on this subject...

That annual March for Life has really become a movement -- an amazing event which has become emboldened by the surge of support from teens and people in the early 20s. The message has always been right and the messengers are winning over public opinion. The latest Gallup poll shows that 50% of Americans now label themselves as "pro life" while only 42 describe themselves as "pro choice." This is remarkable turnaround from the days when pro choice supporters were a clear majority of the American population, and their leadership marginalized those who called themselves "pro life" as out-of-step extremists. Even the media, which had historically labeled pro-lifers as "anti-abortion," now use the term "pro life."

Tellingly, the "pro choice" movement is giving themselves away. They had always said that abortion should "be safe, legal and rare," but now that is becoming more rare, they decry this. Turns out they were really pro-abortion all along, doesn't it?

No.

[Vidav]

Would you accept my wife's opinion...or my daughter's...or from my son's S.O....or how about my 16 year old niece from Massachusetts...since all four marched Monday in the National Right to Life Rally in Washington...

Are their opinions meaningless???

See, I go to them for my opinion on this subject...

That annual March for Life has really become a movement -- an amazing event which has become emboldened by the surge of support from teens and people in the early 20s. The message has always been right and the messengers are winning over public opinion. The latest Gallup poll shows that 50% of Americans now label themselves as "pro life" while only 42 describe themselves as "pro choice." This is remarkable turnaround from the days when pro choice supporters were a clear majority of the American population, and their leadership marginalized those who called themselves "pro life" as out-of-step extremists. Even the media, which had historically labeled pro-lifers as "anti-abortion," now use the term "pro life."

Tellingly, the "pro choice" movement is giving themselves away. They had always said that abortion should "be safe, legal and rare," but now that is becoming more rare, they decry this. Turns out they were really pro-abortion all along, doesn't it?

What a stupid statement. So you think pro-choice people actually want everyone to get an abortion? That pro-choice means we want an end to all procreation and an end to the human race? Being pro-choice just means you want women to have the right to choose to get a safe, legal abortion if that is what they want.

If another abortion never happened, would I cry? Hell no, not if the reason was all women decided they didn't want them. But I would be upset if the reason was that it was made illegal.

Abortion should be legal, but regulated and controlled. Situations like this guy in Philly are different. He was performing illegal procedures using untrained and unskilled assistants and was endangering the lives of all the women he saw.

The statement "It's easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one" is also stupid. Perhaps your mom did have an abortion. . .

[blueballs]

Nobody has either shit or puked a baby, nor has a kid been produced as a result of a handjob and I've never heard of anybody getting preggo through absorption of cum through the skin.

There are plenty of ways to have sex without resulting in unwanted pregnancies which lead to the psychological and physical trauma of abortion. Same goes for all the starving children in impoverished countries... eat pussy, suck dick, use a dildo, wear a rubber, get on the pill, pull out, fuck anally and nobody gets an abortion or produces starving babies.

Even the hero of the left (Bill Clinton, who knew something about spilling his cum) said that abortions should be rare, and the best way to accomplish that is to not shoot off in a pussy. It is really that simple.

[JoltinJoe]

That annual March for Life has really become a movement -- an amazing event which has become emboldened by the surge of support from teens and people in the early 20s. The message has always been right and the messengers are winning over public opinion. The latest Gallup poll shows that 50% of Americans now label themselves as "pro life" while only 42 describe themselves as "pro choice." This is remarkable turnaround from the days when pro choice supporters were a clear majority of the American population, and their leadership marginalized those who called themselves "pro life" as out-of-step extremists. Even the media, which had historically labeled pro-lifers as "anti-abortion," now use the term "pro life."

Tellingly, the "pro choice" movement is giving themselves away. They had always said that abortion should "be safe, legal and rare," but now that is becoming more rare, they decry this. Turns out they were really pro-abortion all along, doesn't it?

What a stupid statement. So you think pro-choice people actually want everyone to get an abortion? That pro-choice means we want an end to all procreation and an end to the human race? Being pro-choice just means you want women to have the right to choose to get a safe, legal abortion if that is what they want.

If another abortion never happened, would I cry? Hell no, not if the reason was all women decided they didn't want them. But I would be upset if the reason was that it was made illegal.

Abortion should be legal, but regulated and controlled. Situations like this guy in Philly are different. He was performing illegal procedures using untrained and unskilled assistants and was endangering the lives of all the women he saw.

The statement "It's easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one" is also stupid. Perhaps your mom did have an abortion. . .

Just continue indulging your euphemism. If you support abortion rights, you are pro-abortion. Stop deluding yourself. If, on a personal level, you dislike abortion, then have the courage to stand up and say it. To say that you are "pro choice" is a coward's way of avoiding the courage of your conviction.

"Pro choice" is a losing argument. You know that when "pro choicers" resort to calling you stupid. Name-calling is the last resort for the desperate.

[kalm]

What a stupid statement. So you think pro-choice people actually want everyone to get an abortion? That pro-choice means we want an end to all procreation and an end to the human race? Being pro-choice just means you want women to have the right to choose to get a safe, legal abortion if that is what they want.

If another abortion never happened, would I cry? Hell no, not if the reason was all women decided they didn't want them. But I would be upset if the reason was that it was made illegal.

Abortion should be legal, but regulated and controlled. Situations like this guy in Philly are different. He was performing illegal procedures using untrained and unskilled assistants and was endangering the lives of all the women he saw.

The statement "It's easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one" is also stupid. Perhaps your mom did have an abortion. . .

Just continue indulging your euphemism. If you support abortion rights, you are pro-abortion. Stop deluding yourself. If, on a personal level, you dislike abortion, then have the courage to stand up and say it. To say that you are "pro choice" is a coward's way of avoiding the courage of your conviction.

"Pro choice" is a losing argument. You know that when "pro choicers" resort to calling you stupid. Name-calling is the last resort for the desperate.

Pro life is a losing argument.

[JoltinJoe]

Just continue indulging your euphemism. If you support abortion rights, you are pro-abortion. Stop deluding yourself. If, on a personal level, you dislike abortion, then have the courage to stand up and say it. To say that you are "pro choice" is a coward's way of avoiding the courage of your conviction.

"Pro choice" is a losing argument. You know that when "pro choicers" resort to calling you stupid. Name-calling is the last resort for the desperate.

Pro life is a losing argument.

Yea, I see what you mean. The pro life numbers are growing. The pro abortion numbers are dwindling.

You guys were destined to lose this debate, and that was obvious years ago when your side refused to acknowledge that you are pro abortion. The now failed gambit to call yourselves "pro choice" was in truth a tacit admission of the moral inferiority of your position.

[Appaholic]

Its so easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one...

That would make a nice bumper sticker, Col...