Philadelphia Abortion Doctor

[JoltinJoe]

Saying that they are bullied into having abortions by society is silly.

Saying that is not silly. It is contesting that which is silly.

Given meaningful choice, no woman of sound mind would choose to abort their off-spring.

[Pwns]

So pro-life folks concern for people's right to life ends at birth? In what way? That's weak.

I think what he is saying is that there is a huge fight for a right to live and all this but then once they are born they are all on their own. Helping people with healthcare, education etc is socialist and let them die if they don't want to have insurance. So people are being hypocritical.

No, there is no hypocrisy. That doesn't make any sense at all. So someone who would want to protect the right to life for homeless people should be willing to feed and house them or pay more taxes to support them?

[Vidav]

Saying that they are bullied into having abortions by society is silly.

Saying that is not silly. It is contesting that which is silly.

Given meaningful choice, no woman of sound mind would choose to abort their off-spring.

See now you are just spouting bullshit.

[Vidav]

I think what he is saying is that there is a huge fight for a right to live and all this but then once they are born they are all on their own. Helping people with healthcare, education etc is socialist and let them die if they don't want to have insurance. So people are being hypocritical.

No, there is no hypocrisy. That doesn't make any sense at all. So someone who would want to protect the right to life for homeless people should be willing to feed and house them or pay more taxes to support them?

I was just saying how I interpreted his point.

But how I see it is more, you want to force a woman to bring an unwanted baby into the world by making it illegal to do otherwise, but then you don't want to help take care of it or her when it comes to medical bills etc.

[Col Hogan]

So pro-life folks concern for people's right to life ends at birth? In what way? That's weak.

I think what he is saying is that there is a huge fight for a right to live and all this but then once they are born they are all on their own. Helping people with healthcare, education etc is socialist and let them die if they don't want to have insurance. So people are being hypocritical.

B.S. My wife and I donate lots of money to this organization...

http://www.paulstefanhome.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And private organizations helping people with health care, education is not socialist...its the proper way to live...

For the federal government to do it is counter to the Constitution...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Saying that they are bullied into having abortions by society is silly.

Saying that is not silly. It is contesting that which is silly.

Given meaningful choice, no woman of sound mind would choose to abort their off-spring.

I can see what you're getting at but you are taking the point of view from a perfect world type of thing. I am speaking from the real world point of view and in the set up we got now...it is silly on that front.

There is no other issue out there that divides me like this one does.

[JoltinJoe]

Saying that is not silly. It is contesting that which is silly.

Given meaningful choice, no woman of sound mind would choose to abort their off-spring.

See now you are just spouting bullshit.

No, it is you that is spouting the bullshit of the "pro choice" movement -- a movement so devoid of truth that it has to hide behind a euphemism.

When you study moral philosophies, you come to grasp that the utilitarianism embraced by the pro-abortion movement (including its use of euphemism to disguise their agenda), is the same moral philosophy embraced by the Nazis and the Communists -- a philosophy in which immediate pleasures are valued over sacrifices; and a philosophy which devalues the needs of any single individual to the "greater" needs of the whole.

Please note I am not equating Nazis and the pro-choice movement. I'm merely highlighting that they are founded on the same moral philosophy.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I think what he is saying is that there is a huge fight for a right to live and all this but then once they are born they are all on their own. Helping people with healthcare, education etc is socialist and let them die if they don't want to have insurance. So people are being hypocritical.

B.S. My wife and I donate lots of money to this organization...

http://www.paulstefanhome.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And private organizations helping people with health care, education is not socialist...its the proper way to live...

For the federal government to do it is counter to the Constitution...

[JoltinJoe]

Saying that is not silly. It is contesting that which is silly.

Given meaningful choice, no woman of sound mind would choose to abort their off-spring.

I can see what you're getting at but you are taking the point of view from a perfect world type of thing. I am speaking from the real world point of view and in the set up we got now...it is silly on that front.

There is no other issue out there that divides me like this one does.

The reality is that in 21st century, the ability to have an abortion is not going to go away.

But I think women need to be empowered, with both greater understanding of the significance/weight of their decision, and with the assuredness that carrying an unplanned pregnancy to full term is not going to foreclose them from full participation in the benefits of our society.

We are moving in the right direction on the first issue; but we are stalled on the second issue.

[Vidav]

I think what he is saying is that there is a huge fight for a right to live and all this but then once they are born they are all on their own. Helping people with healthcare, education etc is socialist and let them die if they don't want to have insurance. So people are being hypocritical.

B.S. My wife and I donate lots of money to this organization...

http://www.paulstefanhome.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And private organizations helping people with health care, education is not socialist...its the proper way to live...

For the federal government to do it is counter to the Constitution...

I didn't mean to imply that anyone here felt this way. I was just explaining what I thought the author meant.

[Vidav]

See now you are just spouting bullshit.

No, it is you that is spouting the bullshit of the "pro choice" movement -- a movement so devoid of truth that it has to hide behind a euphemism.

When you study moral philosophies, you come to grasp that the utilitarianism embraced by the pro-abortion movement (including its use of euphemism to disguise their agenda), is the same moral philosophy embraced by the Nazis and the Communists -- a philosophy in which immediate pleasures are valued over sacrifices; and a philosophy which devalues the needs of any single individual to the "greater" needs of the whole.

Please note I am not equating Nazis and the pro-choice movement. I'm merely highlighting that they are founded on the same moral philosophy.

An abortion is not about pleasures. Yes some women get them because they feel they will be burdened if they have a child. But often times it is about what is best for the woman or her family. Should a woman that was raped and inpregnanted by her father be required to have the baby? If so, are you willing to step up and take care of it?

[Vidav]

I can see what you're getting at but you are taking the point of view from a perfect world type of thing. I am speaking from the real world point of view and in the set up we got now...it is silly on that front.

There is no other issue out there that divides me like this one does.

The reality is that in 21st century, the ability to have an abortion is not going to go away.

But I think women need to be empowered, with both greater understanding of the significance/weight of their decision, and with the assuredness that carrying an unplanned pregnancy to full term is not going to foreclose them from full participation in the benefits of our society.

We are moving in the right direction on the first issue; but we are stalled on the second issue.

I am confused. You claim you want women empowered and yet you also claim to be Catholic?!?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... rave-crime" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Col Hogan]

No, it is you that is spouting the bullshit of the "pro choice" movement -- a movement so devoid of truth that it has to hide behind a euphemism.

When you study moral philosophies, you come to grasp that the utilitarianism embraced by the pro-abortion movement (including its use of euphemism to disguise their agenda), is the same moral philosophy embraced by the Nazis and the Communists -- a philosophy in which immediate pleasures are valued over sacrifices; and a philosophy which devalues the needs of any single individual to the "greater" needs of the whole.

Please note I am not equating Nazis and the pro-choice movement. I'm merely highlighting that they are founded on the same moral philosophy.

An abortion is not about pleasures. Yes some women get them because they feel they will be burdened if they have a child. But often times it is about what is best for the woman or her family. Should a woman that was raped and inpregnanted by her father be required to have the baby? If so, are you willing to step up and take care of it?

Depending on who you believe...between 1% and 4.5% of abortions are due to rape...how do you justify the remaining 95% plus???

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I can see what you're getting at but you are taking the point of view from a perfect world type of thing. I am speaking from the real world point of view and in the set up we got now...it is silly on that front.

There is no other issue out there that divides me like this one does.

The reality is that in 21st century, the ability to have an abortion is not going to go away.

But I think women need to be empowered, with both greater understanding of the significance/weight of their decision, and with the assuredness that carrying an unplanned pregnancy to full term is not going to foreclose them from full participation in the benefits of our society.

We are moving in the right direction on the first issue; but we are stalled on the second issue.

That my man would be really wonderful. I think this idea is DFO and I am fully behind these kinds of things.

To be honest with you, I think you should lay off the pro abortion thing because it pushes reasonable people away from what you say. I don't fit it tightly on either side I guess but I don't know anybody that pushes getting abortions. I'm all for using straight language to make a point but it just doesn't fit.

We would like to see the same end game. We all know that making abortion illegal wouldn't work. But it is something to argue about whether it should or shouldn't be so we spend our time doing that.

[Vidav]

Rape isn't the only case, I was just making an example. What about someone way too young to become a parent that has sex? Yes it was their fault but they are a child and they don't consider consequences. I know a girl that this was the case for and she was able to lead a healthy and normal life afterward. Finishing her childhood before she CHOSE to become a parent.

[Vidav]

The reality is that in 21st century, the ability to have an abortion is not going to go away.

But I think women need to be empowered, with both greater understanding of the significance/weight of their decision, and with the assuredness that carrying an unplanned pregnancy to full term is not going to foreclose them from full participation in the benefits of our society.

We are moving in the right direction on the first issue; but we are stalled on the second issue.

That my man would be really wonderful. I think this idea is DFO and I am fully behind these kinds of things.

To be honest with you, I think you should lay off the pro abortion thing because it pushes reasonable people away from what you say. I don't fit it tightly on either side I guess but I don't know anybody that pushes getting abortions. I'm all for using straight language to make a point but it just doesn't fit.

We would like to see the same end game. We all know that making abortion illegal wouldn't work. But it is something to argue about whether it should or shouldn't be so we spend our time doing that.

[D1B]

Saying that they are bullied into having abortions by society is silly.

Saying that is not silly. It is contesting that which is silly.

Given meaningful choice, no woman of sound mind would choose to abort their off-spring.

Joe, you may know what goes on the mind of your trembling wife or mother - women who have been beaten into submission by catholic tyrants like you and your old man, but you have no idea what women outside the catholic gulag are thinking.

A pregnancy for a guy is no big deal. A pregnancy for a woman is a life sentence.

[89Hen]

So if you kill a mute, it's not murder?

What don't you get? The ONLY reason abortion is legal is people choose not to view images of aborted children and they have no voice.

[89Hen]

An abortion is not about pleasures. Yes some women get them because they feel they will be burdened if they have a child. But often times it is about what is best for the woman or her family.

Do you hear what you're saying?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I think what he is saying is that there is a huge fight for a right to live and all this but then once they are born they are all on their own. Helping people with healthcare, education etc is socialist and let them die if they don't want to have insurance. So people are being hypocritical.

B.S. My wife and I donate lots of money to this organization...

http://www.paulstefanhome.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And private organizations helping people with health care, education is not socialist...its the proper way to live...

For the federal government to do it is counter to the Constitution...

Col., I like your style a lot and the way you do not look to others to do things. You take it upon yourself to do something that you believe in. I don't know much about this organization but only have a couple of questions anyway.

1. Does this group help all across the country?
2. Does all of the money go to moms needing the help? In other words it doesn't go into a religious kitty of some kind?


If yes to those questions then I'd like you to give the money you were sending to me this weekend to this group. I'll email the other guys to do the same with their portions if they choose instead of sending it to me.

[D1B]

He says it far better than I can.

http://atheism.about.com/od/feministlib ... usLove.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Actually, he supports what I say. He just lacks any real grasp of historical feminism or moral philosophy.

I say abortion is sold to women as a "right" to ensure full participation in society. He says abortion is necessary to ensure a woman's full participation in society. The irony that he wants women to conform to society's expectations, rather than advocate for a woman having the access to full societal benefits even when faced with an unplanned pregnancy, is simply lost on him -- and on much of the pro abortion movement.

Typical catholic jagoff - women are gullible and are sold a pack of lies.

Funny, the pro life movement is the loudest (and most violent of all activist groups), there are billions of catholics and 99% of all people are christian - all telling women that they can have great lives with unplanned pregnancies - YET abortions are still legal, on the rise in some areas and we now have the morning after pill.

Joe, when you can get pregnant, then we'll talk.

[D1B]

What don't you get? The ONLY reason abortion is legal is people choose not to view images of aborted children and they have no voice.

What do you know Hen? Seriously?

[89Hen]

What don't you get? The ONLY reason abortion is legal is people choose not to view images of aborted children and they have no voice.

What do you know Hen? Seriously?

Do you really think anyone takes you seriously?

[D1B]

B.S. My wife and I donate lots of money to this organization...

http://www.paulstefanhome.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And private organizations helping people with health care, education is not socialist...its the proper way to live...

For the federal government to do it is counter to the Constitution...

Col., I like your style a lot and the way you do not look to others to do things. You take it upon yourself to do something that you believe in. I don't know much about this organization but only have a couple of questions anyway.

1. Does this group help all across the country?
2. Does all of the money go to moms needing the help? In other words it doesn't go into a religious kitty of some kind?


If yes to those questions then I'd like you to give the money you were sending to me this weekend to this group. I'll email the other guys to do the same with their portions if they choose instead of sending it to me.

Make sure you find out how much of your donation will go towards harrassing women and doctors at clinics. Alot of these groups are fronts for the fuckheads you see harrassing women getting free pregnancy tests.

[D1B]

What do you know Hen? Seriously?

Do you really think anyone takes you seriously?

Nice Dodge, Joltin Joe.