Karl Marx is My George Washington

[kalm]

... Well I guess that makes you a genius then ... I was not in any way associating the Millionaire Beck with being an idiot - he's a showman ... His fan base are idiots ...

Beck's fan base correctly believes the majority of the signers of the Constitution to have been religious men - at least 26 of 39 IF you don't include Congregationalists, who were much more religious in the day than in modern times...

In fact, Benjamin Franklin was the ONLY pure Deist among the signers of the Constitution, yet, someone boldly and falsely proclaimed...

... Any attentive high school student knows most of the Founders were Deists and Unitarians ...

Who is the genius?

Didn't TJ write his own version of the bible without all the supernatural bull shit? How about Thomas Paine and the Age of Reason? Why do you hate the enlightenment?

[native]

...6 years of college, and you never figured out how to use paragraph breaks.

How do you know it was only six years?

[AppMan]

The thing is, he really isn't. As Wedgie mentioned popularity =/= quality. Would you say bud light is the best beer out there because it's the most popular? Does McDonald's have the best food?

It makes me sad how often I have to use this exact argument. Numbers don't make right.

It is only wrong because it doesn't agree with your point of view. Your statement “numbers don’t make it right” is a great look into the mind of a liberal. Liberals used a 7% margin in the 2008 election as evidence conservatism was dead in America. Yet when they got their asses handed to them in November everyone was told to pay no attention to the numbers. It was only because the dumbass citizenry was not smart enough to fully comprehend the message of Obama that led to so many conservatives being elected. Once again, “numbers don’t make it right.” Ratings for cable news network’s with a liberal bias are at the bottom of the, but those “numbers don’t make it right.”

People are not nearly as dumb as liberals seem to believe. We don’t need them telling us what to eat, how to raise our kids, what kind of cars to drive, how much money we should make, how much taxes we should pay, and how to live our lives in general. I pray to God this nation is able to claw its way out of the crater we now find ourselves in. Obama has taken care of every special interest group that got him elected and now we are so far in debt there may be no way out.

Anyone with a minimal understanding of economics understands one cannot spend their way out of debt. Liberals have no such understanding because the “numbers don’t make it right.” Here are some numbers that DO matter. By 2012 the debt will be even larger than today's record of $16,500,000,000,000, according to current federal estimates. That's more money than the entire United States economy produces in a complete year. Of course Obama prefers to lay the blame for this gargantuan spending spree at the feet of his Republican predecessor. Of course it took Bush 96 months to run the debt up $4.9 trillion while Obama accomplished his spending feat in less than 21 months. The national debt has grown about $4.8 billion every day since he took the oath of office. Those are some numbers that do make it right to stop this onslaught of liberal madness which is about to destroy us

[kalm]

It was only because the dumbass citizenry was not smart enough to fully comprehend the message of Obama that led to so many conservatives being elected. Once again, “numbers don’t make it right.” Ratings for cable news network’s with a liberal bias are at the bottom of the, but those “numbers don’t make it right.”

People are not nearly as dumb as liberals seem to believe.

So the citizens who, accoding to you, are much more likely to consume Fox News than liberally biased media are dumbasses for not comprehending Obama's centrist message but in the next paragraph aren't as dumb as liberals seem to believe?

Anyone with a minimal understanding of economics understands one cannot spend their way out of debt.

[/quote]

Under Ike we pumped massive amounts of money into the GI Bill and infrastructure projects like the Federal Highways Program while paying down the debt from WWII. Of course we were able to do this because the corporate taxes were higher with less loopholes and the top marginal rate for individuals was 91%.

It would be tragic, tragic I tell you if we were to go back to the unprecedented growth of the 1950's.

Why don't you trade your SUV in for a Prius, drive home, cook some organic food, be nice to your kids, over-pay your taxes so we can reduce our debt, and try to be a more informed person.

(sorry, I'm a liberal, it's what I do)

[Baldy]

Under Ike we pumped massive amounts of money into the GI Bill and infrastructure projects like the Federal Highways Program while paying down the debt from WWII. Of course we were able to do this because the corporate taxes were higher with less loopholes and the top marginal rate for individuals was 91%.

Not quite.
We were able to pump money into those projects because in the 1950's, we didn't have revenue crippling government sponsored entitlement programs like the great "war on poverty", medicaid, medicare, and 100's of other ill advised useless money grabbing government endorsed institutions of the 1960's.

It would be tragic, tragic I tell you if we were to go back to the unprecedented growth of the 1950's.

Unfortunately, since entitlements make up about about 60% of the US budget, it's not going to happen any time soon.

[Chizzang]

We're on the GI bill now.. man things move fast around here

[kalm]

Under Ike we pumped massive amounts of money into the GI Bill and infrastructure projects like the Federal Highways Program while paying down the debt from WWII. Of course we were able to do this because the corporate taxes were higher with less loopholes and the top marginal rate for individuals was 91%.

Not quite.
We were able to pump money into those projects because in the 1950's, we didn't have revenue crippling government sponsored entitlement programs like the great "war on poverty", medicaid, medicare, and 100's of other ill advised useless money grabbing government endorsed institutions of the 1960's.

It would be tragic, tragic I tell you if we were to go back to the unprecedented growth of the 1950's.

Unfortunately, since entitlements make up about about 60% of the US budget, it's not going to happen any time soon.

But it's not as if that spending doesn't add to the GDP. Just ask Rand Paul. Medicare spending has certainly added to his growth over the years.

And Social Security is covered by the those who pay in. It really doesn't add to the debt. I'm not sure you're 60% number is accurate.

[Baldy]

But it's not as if that spending doesn't add to the GDP. Just ask Rand Paul. Medicare spending has certainly added to his growth over the years.

Thank you, Mrs. Pelosi.

And Social Security is covered by the those who pay in. It really doesn't add to the debt. I'm not sure you're 60% number is accurate.

Fine, remove the ponzi scheme if you want. SS takes up 20% of the budget, there is also 17% of other 'mandatory' spending that might or might not be directly related to entitlement programs in the budget. I also didn't include the mandatory 5% that makes up the interest on the debt, either.

The truth still remains that the government has painted itself into a corner with guaranteed debt over the last 50 years. Trying to draw a parallel from where we were in the 1950's to where we could go in the future is as futile as a Pioneer Football League playoff bid.

[kalm]

And the SSA is the largest holder of U.S. governement debt in the world? So I guess we owe ourselves.

[Baldy]

And the SSA is the largest holder of U.S. governement debt in the world? So I guess we owe ourselves.

Ouroboros