Islam and the Intolerance Problem

[kalm]

It's actually pretty simple:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Question:
how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," in the Constitution = Zero times
But I believe "creator" is used twice in the Declaration if Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


That's all... that's all she wrote everything else is conjecture or fiction

...or superstition.

And remember, Jefferson re-wrote the bible removing all the old wives tales.

[Chizzang]

It's actually pretty simple:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Question:
how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," in the Constitution = Zero times
But I believe "creator" is used twice in the Declaration if Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


That's all... that's all she wrote everything else is conjecture or fiction

...or superstition.

And remember, Jefferson re-wrote the bible removing all the old wives tales.

Here is my favorite Tea Party quote: from Glen Urquhart
"Do you know, where does this phrase 'separation of church and state' come from?" Urquhart asked at a campaign event last April. "The exact phrase 'separation of Church and State' came out of Adolph Hitler’s mouth, that's where it comes from. So the next time your liberal friends talk about the separation of Church and State ask them why they’re Nazis."



The Tea Party is a Religio-Political movement (period) and it would be nice if some of the folks around here were honest enough to just admit that...

Like I said:
You can't listen to a Tea Party candidate or Tea Party elected official for 3 minutes without them bringing up Religion, it is a very real part of the Tea Party platform

[Baldy]

With your ignorant comment.
Knowledge has advanced by leaps and bounds since those 4 men have died. They were by no means evangelical christians, but all were religious men, and any one of their now rotten corpses have infinite more knowledge than you will ever be able to possess.

Quit being a dick....

Baldy, they may have been spiritual, or belived in a creator, but they were anti religion. They saw the danger of religion and understood that man's darkest ages were marked by fervent christianity, specifically catholicism.

Sorry J...

As I've said more than once, many of the founders weren't christian, but most were VERY religious. You can click your heels and wish there was no place like home, cross your fingers, plug your ears with your fingers and hum the Star Spangled Banner all day long for all I care, but all that wishing isn't going to change 240 years of history.

[kalm]

Quit being a dick....

Baldy, they may have been spiritual, or belived in a creator, but they were anti religion. They saw the danger of religion and understood that man's darkest ages were marked by fervent christianity, specifically catholicism.

Sorry J...

As I've said more than once, many of the founders weren't christian, but most were VERY religious. You can click your heels and wish there was no place like home, cross your fingers, plug your ears with your fingers and hum the Star Spangled Banner all day long for all I care, but all that wishing isn't going to change 240 years of history.

Which has nothing to do with how they thought religion should be dealth with in society. You're arguing the same thing.

[Baldy]

Sorry J...

As I've said more than once, many of the founders weren't christian, but most were VERY religious. You can click your heels and wish there was no place like home, cross your fingers, plug your ears with your fingers and hum the Star Spangled Banner all day long for all I care, but all that wishing isn't going to change 240 years of history.

Which has nothing to do with how they thought religion should be dealth with in society. You're arguing the same thing.

Not at all. D1B is attempting to claim (in fact he said it himself) that the founding fathers were anti-religion. Nothing could be further from the truth. All the historical documentation, evidence, proof, etc. clearly shows that the founders, as a group, were extremely religious.

[Vidav]

The founders could have been hardcore religious nuts. That would in no way make it the right position. Remember religion is nothing but people believing shit because they were told it was a good idea. If you are actually smart enough to sit down and evaluate religion for what it is then you will dismiss it without a second thought.

[Baldy]

The founders could have been hardcore religious nuts. That would in no way make it the right position. Remember religion is nothing but people believing shit because they were told it was a good idea. If you are actually smart enough to sit down and evaluate religion for what it is then you will dismiss it without a second thought.

dawg has already made that weak argument. Get to the back of the line.

[kalm]

Which has nothing to do with how they thought religion should be dealth with in society. You're arguing the same thing.

Not at all. D1B is attempting to claim (in fact he said it himself) that the founding fathers were anti-religion. Nothing could be further from the truth. All the historical documentation, evidence, proof, etc. clearly shows that the founders, as a group, were extremely religious.

You would think the "religious extremists" founders would have installed their extremism more into the founding documents.

[Chizzang]

Not at all. D1B is attempting to claim (in fact he said it himself) that the founding fathers were anti-religion. Nothing could be further from the truth. All the historical documentation, evidence, proof, etc. clearly shows that the founders, as a group, were extremely religious.

You would think the "religious extremists" founders would have installed their extremism more into the founding documents.

I don't really care about the argument over their private lives... it's kind of a "who cares"
But the documents of great concern are long and very detailed and the FACTS stand pretty clear

Fact:
There is one sentence about religion:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Fact:
There is one sentence that mentions the creator:
"endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

That's all there is...
That constitutes 100% of the religious content of the Founding Documents

Make of that what you will - but - anything beyond whats written is merely conjecture (period)

[kalm]

You would think the "religious extremists" founders would have installed their extremism more into the founding documents.

I don't really care about the argument over their private lives... it's kind of a "who cares"
But the documents of great concern are long and very detailed and the FACTS stand pretty clear

Fact:
There is one sentence about religion:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Fact:
There is one sentence that mentions the creator:
"endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

That's all there is...
That constitutes 100% of the religious content of the Founding Documents

Make of that what you will - but - anything beyond whats written is merely conjecture (period)

That was kind of my point.

[Baldy]

Not at all. D1B is attempting to claim (in fact he said it himself) that the founding fathers were anti-religion. Nothing could be further from the truth. All the historical documentation, evidence, proof, etc. clearly shows that the founders, as a group, were extremely religious.

You would think the "religious extremists" founders would have installed their extremism more into the founding documents.

Not at all. Given their disdain for the monarchy and the power the Church of England had as the official state sponsored religion, why wouldn't the founders stray as far as they could from combining government and religion?

BTW, I said they were extremely religious, not "religious extremists". There is a difference.

[Chizzang]

You would think the "religious extremists" founders would have installed their extremism more into the founding documents.

Not at all. Given their disdain for the monarchy and the power the Church of England had as the official state sponsored religion, why wouldn't the founders stray as far as they could from combining government and religion?

BTW, I said they were extremely religious, not "religious extremists". There is a difference.

BUMP..!!!

Favorite Tea Party Quote:
"So the next time your liberal friends talk about the separation of Church and State ask them why they’re Nazis."

[native]

Not at all. Given their disdain for the monarchy and the power the Church of England had as the official state sponsored religion, why wouldn't the founders stray as far as they could from combining government and religion?

BTW, I said they were extremely religious, not "religious extremists". There is a difference.

BUMP..!!!

Favorite Tea Party Quote:
"So the next time your liberal friends talk about the separation of Church and State ask them why they’re Nazis."

Thanks, cleets!

Never heard that one before.

[Appaholic]

[native]