EGYPT

[YoUDeeMan]

pro-mubarak forces have apparently begun throwing molotov cocktails at protesters... and may have ignited their national museum...

protesters are now rallying to protect the square...

Earlier this week looters damaged several items in the museum. If nothing else, these people should be showing some respect to their national treasures.

Yes, the same way the Taliban showed respect to the national treasures in Afghanistan.

[Skjellyfetti]

Earlier this week looters damaged several items in the museum. If nothing else, these people should be showing some respect to their national treasures.

Looting of cultural resources is a problem in every country on the globe. We even have a problem with it in this country, believe it or not.

[89Hen]

Looting of cultural resources is a problem in every country on the globe. We even have a problem with it in this country, believe it or not.

I'll go with not, unless you call retail stores a cultural resource.

[Skjellyfetti]

Looting of cultural resources is a problem in every country on the globe. We even have a problem with it in this country, believe it or not.

I'll go with not, unless you call retail stores a cultural resource.

Anasazi artifacts, Civil War battlefields combed over with metal detectors, gold bar from Spanish galleon stolen from Key West, etc. etc. It's more widespread than you could ever imagine. America has far more cultural resources than "retail stores." Maybe not for much longer as Wal-Mart continues to build on battlefields and Indian mounds.

Highest profile case:

Illicit back-room deals, negotiated prices and the flash of cash were caught on tape in the nation's largest undercover law enforcement operation of its kind.

The 2 1/2-year probe that spanned the reaches of the Four Corners area didn't deal in the trafficking of guns or the proffering of drugs: it was Native American heritage up for sale.

While the criminal prosecution of 24 defendants nabbed in an operation dubbed "Cerberus Action" has just begun, the looting of treasures held sacred by Utah's earliest inhabitants has been going on for years.

"It's a pretty big world out there of people who want the artifacts found around here," said Kevin Jones, the state's archaeologist. "But we are not making Anasazi pots anymore. They have not been made for a thousand years. And any time they wind up in a private collection or in the hands of looters, we will never see it, never learn from it and never be able to study it. They are people stealing our cultural heritage."

The significance of such a bust — it required additional money and resources when investigators learned how deep the network reached — brought out top government officials for Wednesday's press conference at the U.S. Attorney's office in Salt Lake City to declare war on looting.

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[GannonFan]

Earlier this week looters damaged several items in the museum. If nothing else, these people should be showing some respect to their national treasures.

Looting of cultural resources is a problem in every country on the globe. We even have a problem with it in this country, believe it or not.

Digging up buried treasures from long picked over battlefields or arranging dives to go down to suspected locations of long lost sunken ships is hardly at the same level of firebombing museums or TNT'ing Budha statues for the hell of it. Just saying.

I don't recall, through any of the tens of thousands of marches in Washington DC, any group deciding to run, en masse, to the National Air and Space Museum, trashing the place, and then dragging the Wright Bros plane around the Mall.

[Skjellyfetti]

Digging up buried treasures from long picked over battlefields or arranging dives to go down to suspected locations of long lost sunken ships is hardly at the same level of firebombing museums or TNT'ing Budha statues for the hell of it. Just saying.

It's destruction of cultural resources and it happens everyday.

Is TNT'ing a Buddha statue really worse than bulldozing a 2,000 year old Indian mound to build a Wal-Mart? Why?

[Bronco]

ABC's Amanpour Comes Under Attack In Cairo
Broadcasting & Cable ^ | 2/2/11 | Ben Grossman


ABC's Christiane Amanpour said Wednesday that she and a crew came under attack from a "mob" on the same day CNN's Anderson Cooper reported the same. Amanpour wrote in a reporter's notebook released by ABC News that the attack came after trying to film on a bridge into Tahrir Square. "An angry mob surrounded us and chased us into the car shouting that they hate America," she said. "They kicked in the car doors and broke our windshield as we drove away."


(Excerpt) Read more at broadcastingcable.com ...

I guess they didn't know that she also hates America

[danefan]

Is Yemen next?

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[kalm]

ABC's Amanpour Comes Under Attack In Cairo
Broadcasting & Cable ^ | 2/2/11 | Ben Grossman


ABC's Christiane Amanpour said Wednesday that she and a crew came under attack from a "mob" on the same day CNN's Anderson Cooper reported the same. Amanpour wrote in a reporter's notebook released by ABC News that the attack came after trying to film on a bridge into Tahrir Square. "An angry mob surrounded us and chased us into the car shouting that they hate America," she said. "They kicked in the car doors and broke our windshield as we drove away."


(Excerpt) Read more at broadcastingcable.com ...

I guess they didn't know that she also hates America

My guess is they mistook her for Ghadaffi:

[GannonFan]

Digging up buried treasures from long picked over battlefields or arranging dives to go down to suspected locations of long lost sunken ships is hardly at the same level of firebombing museums or TNT'ing Budha statues for the hell of it. Just saying.

It's destruction of cultural resources and it happens everyday.

Is TNT'ing a Buddha statue really worse than bulldozing a 2,000 year old Indian mound to build a Wal-Mart? Why?

Come on, that's weak even for you. TNT's the Buddha statue was a flat out rejection of history, an attempt by the current rulers of that day to whitewash history and pretend it never happened. And to give the middle finger to anyone who disagreed with them, at home and abroad.

The Wal-Mart one had none of those connotations at all. It was a disputed site to begin with, I'm not even sure they found human remains to ensure that it was indeed a burial site, and it was never even listed as a historical site. Come on, the wanton destruction of fully acknowledged and excavated world treasures with the unknown leveling of a hill that no one's ever verified was what some people claim it was - it's not like we haven't been able to classify thousands of other burial mounds - why did we never classify this one as such? Hardly the same in terms of magnitude.

[GannonFan]

Is Yemen next?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm still mystified by this - isn't Yemen already a hotbed of terrorist training and activity and virtually ungovernable anyway? I didn't even know they had a guy in charge, let alone that he's an iron-fist kind of guy that could be overthrown.

[Grizalltheway]

ABC's Amanpour Comes Under Attack In Cairo
Broadcasting & Cable ^ | 2/2/11 | Ben Grossman


ABC's Christiane Amanpour said Wednesday that she and a crew came under attack from a "mob" on the same day CNN's Anderson Cooper reported the same. Amanpour wrote in a reporter's notebook released by ABC News that the attack came after trying to film on a bridge into Tahrir Square. "An angry mob surrounded us and chased us into the car shouting that they hate America," she said. "They kicked in the car doors and broke our windshield as we drove away."


(Excerpt) Read more at broadcastingcable.com ...

I guess they didn't know that she also hates America

My guess is they mistook her for Ghadaffi:

[89Hen]

Should I really give a darn about Egypt?

[Skjellyfetti]

Come on, that's weak even for you. TNT's the Buddha statue was a flat out rejection of history, an attempt by the current rulers of that day to whitewash history and pretend it never happened. And to give the middle finger to anyone who disagreed with them, at home and abroad.

You're talking about motivations... and I agree the Taliban motivations (religion) were worse than Wal-Mart's (capitalism). But, that's not what we were discussing. We were discussing the DESTRUCTION of cultural resources. And both have been irreversibly destroyed.

It was a disputed site to begin with, I'm not even sure they found human remains to ensure that it was indeed a burial site, and it was never even listed as a historical site. Come on, the wanton destruction of fully acknowledged and excavated world treasures with the unknown leveling of a hill that no one's ever verified was what some people claim it was - it's not like we haven't been able to classify thousands of other burial mounds - why did we never classify this one as such? Hardly the same in terms of magnitude.

I never claimed it was a burial mound. Most indian mounds in the US were not used as burial sites. A lot of people get confused about that because Egyptian pyramids were used as burial sites. I'm not sure why you're arguing that it was ok to bulldoze this mound because it wasn't a burial site.

And "no one's ever verified what some people claim it was." Are you kidding me? Are we talking about the same mound in Oxford, Alabama? Where are you getting this info, Wal-Mart press release? Talk about a "rejection of history."

How about researchers with the University of Alabama, the Alabama State Archaeologist, State Preservations Officers with the Alabama Historic Commission:

we maintain that ICa636 is indeed eligible for for the National Register of Historic Places under criterion A, since it is an example of an historical traditional practice or event in the Native American community and perhaps criterion C since it represents "a community design and planning" and is associated with "a pattern of features common to a particular class of resources."

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[89Hen]

Jelly, this was a fail on your part.

[Skjellyfetti]

89, weren't you the one that claimed looting and destruction of cultural resources only occurs at "retail stores" in the US? You're kinda wrong. But, expectedly... declare victory and exit the thread.

[blueballs]

ABC's Amanpour Comes Under Attack In Cairo
Broadcasting & Cable ^ | 2/2/11 | Ben Grossman


ABC's Christiane Amanpour said Wednesday that she and a crew came under attack from a "mob" on the same day CNN's Anderson Cooper reported the same. Amanpour wrote in a reporter's notebook released by ABC News that the attack came after trying to film on a bridge into Tahrir Square. "An angry mob surrounded us and chased us into the car shouting that they hate America," she said. "They kicked in the car doors and broke our windshield as we drove away."


(Excerpt) Read more at broadcastingcable.com ...

I guess they didn't know that she also hates America

My guess is they mistook her for Ghadaffi:

That woman is uglier than a fart in church

[89Hen]

89, weren't you the one that claimed looting and destruction of cultural resources only occurs at "retail stores" in the US? You're kinda wrong. But, expectedly... declare victory and exit the thread.

Say what? You might want to reread that. I said unless YOU count retail stores AS cultural resources. I'll give a pass on that one, but you were talking in hyperbole to make a point but then tried to actually back it up. Never a good idea.

[Skjellyfetti]

That woman is uglier than a fart in church

$10 says blueballs's wife/gf is sloppy fat and her junk looks like an empty duffel bag.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

sorry jelly - you whiffed on this one...

Taliban blowing up 5,000 year old Buddha's - religious terrorism and a crime against human history and culture.

Wal-Mart going up over one of 10,000 burial mounds around the continent... simple greed run amok... distasteful, but altogether a far lesser crime. To make your example comparable - we would have had to dynamite the Effigy Mounds in Iowa to try and remove any trace of an aboriginal culture before the arrival of white men... see the difference?

[Skjellyfetti]

but you were talking in hyperbole to make a point but then tried to actually back it up. Never a good idea.

I wasn't talking in hyperbole. This is what I said:

"You really think this was hyperbole? "Looting of cultural resources is a problem in every country on the globe. We even have a problem with it in this country, believe it or not." It ain't. Everyone tramples on top of their history."

I backed it up with facts (something you and gannon haven't bothered to do). I provided you with millions of dollars worth of cultural resources looted only recently in the US.

[89Hen]

I provided you with millions of dollars worth of cultural resources looted only recently in the US.

Bullshit.

[Skjellyfetti]

sorry jelly - you whiffed on this one...

Taliban blowing up 5,000 year old Buddha's - religious terrorism and a crime against human history and culture.

Wal-Mart going up over one of 10,000 burial mounds around the continent... simple greed run amok... distasteful, but altogether a far lesser crime.

Why isn't bulldozing an indian mound (again, most of which AREN'T burial mounds ) a crime against human history and culture? You find a Buddha statue to be much more important to human history. That's ok. But, you have to realize that it's completely subjective and it depends on your perspective. Descendants of Native Americans who hold hold the stone mound sacred would disagree with you. University archaeologists, state archaeologists, all agree that the site that was destroyed was significant and worthy of protection.

I guess you guys are better informed.











































Oh wait, y'all keep calling it a "burial mound." Nevermind. Y'all are hopeless.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

sorry jelly - you whiffed on this one...

Taliban blowing up 5,000 year old Buddha's - religious terrorism and a crime against human history and culture.

Wal-Mart going up over one of 10,000 burial mounds around the continent... simple greed run amok... distasteful, but altogether a far lesser crime.

Why isn't bulldozing an indian mound (again, most of which AREN'T burial mounds ) a crime against human history and culture? You find a Buddha statue to be much more important to human history. That's ok. But, you have to realize that it's completely subjective and it depends on your perspective. Descendants of Native Americans who hold hold the stone mound sacred would disagree with you. University archaeologists, state archaeologists, all agree that the site that was destroyed was significant and worthy of protection.

I guess you guys are better informed.

Oh wait, y'all keep calling it a "burial mound." Nevermind. Y'all are hopeless.

Intent matters. The Taliban intended to "unmake history" with their vandalism.

I'm not saying bulldozing an Indian mound for a Wal-Mart is a good thing... but, owing to intent... it is orders of magnitude LESS than destroying the Buddha's in Afghanistan

[89Hen]

Pretty soon we're going to have a Jelly Pit as a natural resource. Put down the shovel jelly and move to another topic.