Bill O'Reilly

[D1B]

That's one to 2 million more he could have fleeced. Dumb.

Just keep em in the dark, call them sinners, infect them with guilt and shame - then give them a prescription for salvation that requires the church, like the catholics do and you can control em their whole lives - and make billions upon billions of dollars too.

The threat of instant death is far more coercive that life after death.

BTW, weren't you raised Catholic?

Yes you catholics used the threat of death for centuries. But, it does not typically work for long without god sanctioning it.

[89Hen]

Yes you catholics used the threat of death for centuries. But, it does not typically work for long without god sanctioning it.

Which is it? Centuries or does not work for long?

[kalm]

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A more comprehensive look at the issue of God and Pappa Bear's comments.

"Bill Oreilly is just like Thomas Aquinas. His understanding of the world is based on a 13th century understanding."

[D1B]

Yes you catholics used the threat of death for centuries. But, it does not typically work for long without god sanctioning it.

Which is it? Centuries or does not work for long?

Comparing the two different strategies for mind control The latter representing Pol Pot's (no god sanction)which lasted only decades. Sorry for not being clear.

[SuperHornet]

A more comprehensive look at the issue of God and Pappa Bear's comments.

"Bill Oreilly is just like Thomas Aquinas. His understanding of the world is based on a 13th century understanding."

You are just like that oaf Barney Stinson: "Newer is always better."

Not true, but people fall for it anyway....

[Skjellyfetti]

You are just like that oaf Barney Stinson: "Newer is always better."

Not true, but people fall for it anyway....

So, you don't think science and our knowledge of the world and universe has progressed in the last 700 years?

[Vidav]

Not really. I mean the Flintstones were just as advanced as we are using rocks and dinosaurs and shit. We need microprocessors and other technology.

I say older is better!

[Skjellyfetti]

Not really. I mean the Flintstones were just as advanced as we are using rocks and dinosaurs and ****. We need microprocessors and other technology.

Dude. Your knowledge has been warped by liberal professors and teachers. Dinosaurs?!? Are you fucking kidding me? The earth is only 6,000 years old. And you believe giant lizards walked the earth millions of years ago? What a joke.

Fossils were clearly put into the earth by Jesus himself to confuse scientists.

[catamount man]

Bill at this best!

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[Vidav]

Not really. I mean the Flintstones were just as advanced as we are using rocks and dinosaurs and ****. We need microprocessors and other technology.

Dude. Your knowledge has been warped by liberal professors and teachers. Dinosaurs?!? Are you fucking kidding me? The earth is only 6,000 years old. And you believe giant lizards walked the earth millions of years ago? What a joke.

Fossils were clearly put into the earth by Jesus himself to confuse scientists.

You're right, what was I thinking. Sometimes I look at facts and evidence and get some delusions that they are correct. I always forget the truth was put in a book nearly 2000 years ago.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

A more comprehensive look at the issue of God and Pappa Bear's comments.

"Bill Oreilly is just like Thomas Aquinas. His understanding of the world is based on a 13th century understanding."

That is fatastic.

[Vidav]

Fatastic.

[Grizalltheway]

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

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[SuperHornet]

Jelly: There's a HUGE difference between technological advancements and advancement in wisdom. Advancing from abacus to graphing calculators, while extremely useful in appropriate situations, did NOTHING to help ethical decision-making. But to expect technological advancement to do that is to ask it to do something it wasn't designed to do.

Therefore, you've pulled the red herring on us, and I'm calling you on it.

[Skjellyfetti]

I didn't say technological advancements.

I said science and our knowledge of the world and universe.

[SuperHornet]

I didn't say technological advancements.

I said science and our knowledge of the world and universe.

Which pretty much amounts to technological advancements because NOTHING that's been learned in the last 1K years would have been learned with the technological knowledge of Y1K. Optical and radio telescopes are required to conduct modern astronomy. Most people nowadays can't even extract a square root without a calculator. The periodic table is about double the size it was when Mendeleev put it together because of accelerators. Technology.

And not one speck of it has affected man's level of wisdom. In fact, an argument could be made that the wisdom of the average person has plummeted in the last thousand years.

That doesn't mean that science is bad. Far from it. God created man with an inquisitive mind, so investigating this stuff is only natural. But it should be kept in perspective. God created it all, and allows us to figure out what He did.

[Grizalltheway]

I didn't say technological advancements.

I said science and our knowledge of the world and universe.

Which pretty much amounts to technological advancements because NOTHING that's been learned in the last 1K years would have been learned with the technological knowledge of Y1K. Optical and radio telescopes are required to conduct modern astronomy. Most people nowadays can't even extract a square root without a calculator. The periodic table is about double the size it was when Mendeleev put it together because of accelerators. Technology.

And not one speck of it has affected man's level of wisdom. In fact, an argument could be made that the wisdom of the average person has plummeted in the last thousand years.

That doesn't mean that science is bad. Far from it. God created man with an inquisitive mind, so investigating this stuff is only natural. But it should be kept in perspective. God created it all, and allows us to figure out what He did.

Where's D1B when you need him?

[youngterrier]

Wow. That's right our knowledge of the world around us hasn't changed in the last 800 years, only technology. Tell that to Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Copernicus, Freud, Descartes, and Crick just to name A FEW who didn't invent but rather made discoveries and observations about the outside world. Granted, they need technology to make observations in the stars and what not, but forming equations and theories and what not is all thanks to the wisdom of a few great men.

Our knowledge of the world around us is greater than it was 800 years ago, and it's not just about technology; we as a collective society know more about the world around us than we did 800 years ago. I don't buy the "we're dumber than we used to be" argument either. there's no statistic of any sort that can support it and considering literacy is more common nowadays than it was 800 years ago I will go ahead and say that that theory is 100% bullshit

[JoltinJoe]

A more comprehensive look at the issue of God and Pappa Bear's comments.

"Bill Oreilly is just like Thomas Aquinas. His understanding of the world is based on a 13th century understanding."

You are just like that oaf Barney Stinson: "Newer is always better."

Not true, but people fall for it anyway....

Come on, lighten up. That clip is hysterical.

It's just a joke, not to be taken too seriously.

[D1B]

You are just like that oaf Barney Stinson: "Newer is always better."

Not true, but people fall for it anyway....

Come on, lighten up. That clip is hysterical.

It's just a joke, not to be taken too seriously.

It's O'Reily's happy place. When backed in to a corner about god inexplicably manifesting itself in ridiculous dogma systems like catholocism, american jesus for profit clubs, and islam, he goes for "the tides'. You do the same with "god is what is". Its your safe house. Step even one toe out though, and you're toast.

[Gil Dobie]

Come on, lighten up. That clip is hysterical.

It's just a joke, not to be taken too seriously.

It's O'Reily's happy place. When backed in to a corner about god inexplicably manifesting itself in ridiculous dogma systems like catholocism, american jesus for profit clubs, and islam, he goes for "the tides'. You do the same with "god is what is". Its your safe house. Step even one toe out though, and you're toast.

You broke away for a weekend of debotchery for this

[D1B]

It's O'Reily's happy place. When backed in to a corner about god inexplicably manifesting itself in ridiculous dogma systems like catholocism, american jesus for profit clubs, and islam, he goes for "the tides'. You do the same with "god is what is". Its your safe house. Step even one toe out though, and you're toast.

You broke away for a weekend of debotchery for this

That's next weekend Gil and you're invited. Was hoping to watch the SB with family up in your neck of the woods, but I cannot get out of work Monday (even though 3/4 of Wisconsinites will be calling in sick if the Packers win).

[JoltinJoe]

Come on, lighten up. That clip is hysterical.

It's just a joke, not to be taken too seriously.

It's O'Reily's happy place. When backed in to a corner about god inexplicably manifesting itself in ridiculous dogma systems like catholocism, american jesus for profit clubs, and islam, he goes for "the tides'. You do the same with "god is what is". Its your safe house. Step even one toe out though, and you're toast.

Actually, you're the flip side of O'Reilly, i.e., you oversimplify for the purpose of ridicule. You just do it from a lefty's perspective.

I seem to recall a thread of about Stephen Hawking's book in which I pretty carefully dissected him using a broader grasp of metaphysics than simply saying what"God is."

I think the universe was created out of something. You, like Hawking, think that all this come out of nothing. In truth, the latter belief requires far more assumptions and much more faith that the former. But you are a "rationalist."

You're like one of those judges who rail against activist judges and then a few days later tries to strike down 150 years of settled law.

[D1B]

It's O'Reily's happy place. When backed in to a corner about god inexplicably manifesting itself in ridiculous dogma systems like catholocism, american jesus for profit clubs, and islam, he goes for "the tides'. You do the same with "god is what is". Its your safe house. Step even one toe out though, and you're toast.

Actually, you're the flip side of O'Reilly, i.e., you oversimplify for the purpose of ridicule. You just do it from a lefty's perspective.

I seem to recall a thread of about Stephen Hawking's book in which I pretty carefully dissected him using a broader grasp of metaphysics than simply saying what"God is."

I think the universe was created out of something. You, like Hawking, think that all this come out of nothing. In truth, the latter belief requires far more assumptions and much more faith that the former. But you are a "rationalist."

You're like one of those judges who rail against activist judges and then a few days later tries to strike down 150 years of settled law.

Whatever Joe. Now, we've talked before about your lying. I've consistently stated belief in a higher power. The christian god and the thousands of related dogmatic mind control systems invented by man are the joke.

I'm fine with with god is what is - it the only thing you believe that doesn't require one to also accept fairy tales and do other stupid shit. As others have noted, it's the step from that statement to:








that is the problem.

[houndawg]

Every atom contains the whole universe within…
Similarly it is said that Buddhism contains the entire teaching within its single written symbol

"Essence of the Whole Teaching" is a fairly common occurrence if you’re the kind of person who decides to experience the world in that way… others (I suppose) see the world (or everything) as a series of disconnected entities and disconnected events… I guess that’s why I always loved chaos theory - because it worked so hard to connect that which by all appearances was not

In the end we’re all looking for “that connection” regardless of how hard some might try to explain it away or blow it away… it tugs at our very fabric - and our fabric - the stuff we're made of is exactly the same stuff that makes everything in the universe (exactly the same stuff) so we are indeed "essence of the whole" in action - walking talking little universes... It's no wonder we are drawn to it - we're made of it...

I won't deny that there is profound wisdom in other philosophy and theologies; however, it is the idea that we are drawn to something, and at least in my mind, the necessary converse that this something must also be drawn to us (and, indeed, is perfectly drawn to us) which, in a nutshell, makes the Incarnation an inevitably, in my mind. Yes, I agree, we are made of it.

I also don't think we're being tricked down here. If there is a personal, loving God, he must be manifesting himself to us in the form of a major world religion.

Wow, that's a mighty big if and an even bigger must.