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Fuck off!

China spent around the same amount of money on their stimulus package that we did. By law, 100% of it had to be spent with Chinese companies.
Both political parties are in denial about the plain fact that American industry is competing against an industrial system in China radically different from our own. If a company like GE wants to operate in China, the Beijing regime extracts conditions that violate the spirit if not the letter of the World Trade Organization.

Companies are made to take on Chinese partners, to transfer sensitive proprietary technology, and to shift their production and R&D to China. In exchange, they get government subsidies and docile workers. Eventually, much of their production is displaced by their Chinese partners, but in the meantime they make a lot of money.

In the past two decades, company after company concluded that the U.S. government didn't really care if we lost our manufacturing base. The Chinese government was making them an offer they couldn't refuse, so one by one they made a separate peace with Beijing.
Germany apparently doesn't play by our rules either:
"In 2001, 32 percent of the income of the firms on Standard & Poor's index of the 500 largest publicly traded U.S. companies came from abroad. By 2008, that figure had grown to 48 percent."

This record contrasts dramatically with that of the right's favorite whipping boy -- Western Europe. Germany is gaining jobs at a rapid clip. Its industrialists are committed to producing at home, and just in case they get ideas of making outsourcing a way of life, they have strong unions who negotiate agreements on where production is located.

Germany's labor costs are the highest in the world, but Germany nonetheless runs the world's largest export surplus -- 7 percent of GDP -- while America runs chronic trade deficits.
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Bottom line is that our economic problems are structural and those making the rules are not beholden to the countries best interests, nor do they any longer need the american worker. But hey, at least business is booming:
At a time when small business can't expand because high unemployment and the decline of home values have depressed consumer demand, big business is increasingly committed to expanding its sales and production abroad rather than at home. That's why the current downturn is different from its predecessors: Unlike any recession in American history -- including the Great Depression -- this one has come at a time when America's leading employers can return to profitability without rehiring large numbers of American workers.

'This grim new reality has yet to inform our discussion over how to come back from our mega-recession. The existing debate pits those who believe that the downturn is cyclical and that public spending can restore prosperity, against those who believe that it's structural -- that we have too many carpenters, say, and not enough nurses -- and that we should leave things be while American workers acquire new skills and enter different lines of work. But there's another way to look at the recession: that it's institutional, that it's the cumulative consequence of our leading banks and corporations investing in job-creating enterprises abroad rather than in the U.S. Thus, the disjuncture between the record-high profits of American corporations and the otherwise dismal indices of national economic health. Corporate profits for the third quarter were the highest on record -- $1.659 trillion -- and were 28 percent higher than third-quarter profits one year previous, the highest year-to-year increase on record, beating the old record set in the previous three months.

When the financial crisis hit, America's employers laid off many more workers than did their counterparts in other mature economies, and they haven't rehired them. It's not because the overall economy has contracted more steeply here. Between 2008 and 2009, the U.S. GDP dropped 2.4 percent, compared to 2.6 percent in France and roughly 5 percent in Germany, Japan, and Britain. But U.S. unemployment has increased by approximately 5 percentage points since 2007, compared to an increase of just 1 point in France and Japan and 2 in Britain. In Germany, unemployment has actually dropped a point since the downturn began and now stands a full 2 points lower than ours.
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What the hell, let's continue to push for tax and spending cuts while worshipping at the alter of "free trade". I'm sure it will all work out just fine. :thumb:
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Spending cuts aren't optional at this point.
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We need another census.
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CitadelGrad wrote:Spending cuts aren't optional at this point.
I'm actually OK with spending cuts.
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Less Gum-mint regulation would be helpful

A License to Shampoo: Jobs Needing State Approval Rise
Wall Street Journal ^ | FEBRUARY 7, 2011 | STEPHANIE SIMON

Amid calls for shrinking government, lawmakers across the country are vowing to cut regulations that crimp economic growth. President Barack Obama recently said it's time to root out laws that "are just plain dumb."

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When he was reading to the Chamber of Commerce today

"The benefits can't just translate into greater profits and bonuses for those at the top. They should be shared by American workers."

It's call a paycheck

"I'm here in the interest of being more neighborly. Maybe we would have gotten off on a better foot if I had brought over a fruitcake when we first moved in."


Fruitcake sounds about right....based on the email I get from the Chamber I think fruitcake is exactly how they feel about the man and his policies.
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Bronco wrote:Less Gum-mint regulation would be helpful

A License to Shampoo: Jobs Needing State Approval Rise
Wall Street Journal ^ | FEBRUARY 7, 2011 | STEPHANIE SIMON

Amid calls for shrinking government, lawmakers across the country are vowing to cut regulations that crimp economic growth. President Barack Obama recently said it's time to root out laws that "are just plain dumb."

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When he was reading to the Chamber of Commerce today

"The benefits can't just translate into greater profits and bonuses for those at the top. They should be shared by American workers."

It's call a paycheck

"I'm here in the interest of being more neighborly. Maybe we would have gotten off on a better foot if I had brought over a fruitcake when we first moved in."


Fruitcake sounds about right....based on the email I get from the Chamber I think fruitcake is exactly how they feel about the man and his policies.
I was talking more about financial regulation Bronco. And the U.S. Chamber of Commerce aint exactly operating in everyone's best interests either:
U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a powerful business lobbying group in the United States that "has become a fully functional part of the partisan Republican machine" since CEO and president Thomas J. Donohue took office in 1997. Prior to Donohue's tenure, the Chamber "used to be a trade association that advocated in a bipartisan manner for narrowly tailored policies to benefit its members." [1] The Chamber's 2010 budget is approximately $200 million, but as a trade organization, its donors can remain anonymous. [2]

The Chamber claims on its website that its mission is to "advance human progress through an economic, political and social system based on individual freedom, incentive, initiative, opportunity, and responsibility."[3] It describes itself as "the world's largest business federation representing more than 3 million businesses and organizations of every size, sector, and region."[4]

Despite these claims, the New York Times reported in October 2010 that half of the Chamber's $140 million in contributions in 2008 came from just 45 big-money donors, many of whom enlisted the Chamber's help to fight political and public opinion battles on their behalf (such as opposing financial or healthcare reforms, or other regulations).
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Really... the Tides foundation started source watch?

I'll take the Chamber because I'm a member and I know they still support business unlike the D student that currently occupies the white house that really seems more and more out of touch with the problems.

I see the Chamber folks applauded twice in his speech today..that's not very good in a 35 minute speech.
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Bronco wrote:Really... the Tides foundation started source watch?

I'll take the Chamber because I'm a member and I know they still support business unlike the D student that currently occupies the white house that really seems more and more out of touch with the problems.

I see the Chamber folks applauded twice in his speech today..that's not very good in a 35 minute speech.
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Bronco wrote:Really... the Tides foundation started source watch?

I'll take the Chamber because I'm a member and I know they still support business unlike the D student that currently occupies the white house that really seems more and more out of touch with the problems.

I see the Chamber folks applauded twice in his speech today..that's not very good in a 35 minute speech.
Bronco wrote:Really... the Tides foundation started source watch?

I'll take the Chamber because I'm a member and I know they still support business unlike the D student that currently occupies the white house that really seems more and more out of touch with the problems.

I see the Chamber folks applauded twice in his speech today..that's not very good in a 35 minute speech.
Huh? If it wasn't for conks I would never have known about the imminent threat posed by Tides, Soros, and Alinsky or that they're as dangerous as the ACLU. But I too am a member of the Chamber - at least on a local level. Guess I better quit snoozing during the monthly breakfasts. Oh, and I'll be sure and add source watch to my commies to keep an eye on list. :thumb:
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Bronco wrote:unlike the D student that currently occupies the white house
D's is all it takes to graduate Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School? Hmm. Who knew? :roll:
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Bronco wrote:Really... the Tides foundation started source watch?

I'll take the Chamber because I'm a member and I know they still support business unlike the D student that currently occupies the white house that really seems more and more out of touch with the problems.

I see the Chamber folks applauded twice in his speech today..that's not very good in a 35 minute speech.
Well then, you're clearly an impartial observer. :roll:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Bronco wrote:unlike the D student that currently occupies the white house
D's is all it takes to graduate Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School? Hmm. Who knew? :roll:

Obama actually had a pretty tough curriculum
which has been made public by all of the departments...

Interestingly enough Bush's curriculum at Yale is not publicly available, nor is his Texas driving record or his Guard service records... however I believe we can get ahold of Bush's Birth Certificate


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Chizzang wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
D's is all it takes to graduate Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School? Hmm. Who knew? :roll:

Obama actually had a pretty tough curriculum
which has been made public by all of the departments...

Interestingly enough Bush's curriculum at Yale is not publicly available, nor is his Texas driving record or his Guard service records... however I believe we can get ahold of Bush's Birth Certificate


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This commentary on Prezbo's speech pretty much sums it up:

I have a sneaking suspicion that that the Chamber could not have applauded, even if it wanted to (though it didn't want to) .. because they were just stunned by some of the words billowing forth from our dear leader, the Community Organizer.

Let's try this little goodie, for example ...

"If we're fighting to reform the tax code and increase exports, the benefits cannot just translate into greater profits and bonuses for those at the top. They have to be shared by American workers, who need to know that opening markets will lift their standard of living as well as your bottom line."

You read that correctly, folks. "They have to be shared by American workers." How do you like that?

Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people? Is he serious? In what parallel universe does it become the purpose and overriding objective business to simply try to figure out how to hire more people?

Let's look bad at some of Obama's previous utterings:

"At some point you just have to admit you've made enough money."
"You need to spread the wealth around."
And one of my all-time favorites: You have to raise taxes not to increase government revenue, but "out of fairness."
That's right! It's just not fair that you are earning that much money ... se we have to take it from you and spread it around.

We have an avowed enemy of the private sector .. a man with zero business experience himself .. standing up in front of a room of businessmen and telling them that they are actually in business to hire people and share the wealth. WRONG! They are in business to make money for their owners and/or shareholders. To do that they hire people who can help produce wealth, and they pay those people a competitive wage to keep them on the payroll. This, of course, is completely lost on someone who considers the private sector to be his enemy. That's OK though ... the private sector looks at him the same way.

I am reminded of that Russian Newspaper article that appeared right before Obama was elected. The Pravda newspaper ran an article, "American Capitalism Gone with a Whimper" for a title? Here's a quote from the article:

"It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people."

This article had it exactly right. Obama is the result of a "sheeple" population that was more interested in his coolness than they were in his policy or experience. We are sliding toward Marxism whether we like it or not because of our own failure as a nation to educate our electorate, allowing them to understand for themselves the danger of a man like Barack Obama in the White House.
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blueballs wrote:This commentary on Prezbo's speech pretty much sums it up:

I have a sneaking suspicion that that the Chamber could not have applauded, even if it wanted to (though it didn't want to) .. because they were just stunned by some of the words billowing forth from our dear leader, the Community Organizer.

Let's try this little goodie, for example ...

"If we're fighting to reform the tax code and increase exports, the benefits cannot just translate into greater profits and bonuses for those at the top. They have to be shared by American workers, who need to know that opening markets will lift their standard of living as well as your bottom line."

You read that correctly, folks. "They have to be shared by American workers." How do you like that?

Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people? Is he serious? In what parallel universe does it become the purpose and overriding objective business to simply try to figure out how to hire more people?

Let's look bad at some of Obama's previous utterings:

"At some point you just have to admit you've made enough money."
"You need to spread the wealth around."
And one of my all-time favorites: You have to raise taxes not to increase government revenue, but "out of fairness."
That's right! It's just not fair that you are earning that much money ... se we have to take it from you and spread it around.

We have an avowed enemy of the private sector .. a man with zero business experience himself .. standing up in front of a room of businessmen and telling them that they are actually in business to hire people and share the wealth. WRONG! They are in business to make money for their owners and/or shareholders. To do that they hire people who can help produce wealth, and they pay those people a competitive wage to keep them on the payroll. This, of course, is completely lost on someone who considers the private sector to be his enemy. That's OK though ... the private sector looks at him the same way.

I am reminded of that Russian Newspaper article that appeared right before Obama was elected. The Pravda newspaper ran an article, "American Capitalism Gone with a Whimper" for a title? Here's a quote from the article:

"It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people."

This article had it exactly right. Obama is the result of a "sheeple" population that was more interested in his coolness than they were in his policy or experience. We are sliding toward Marxism whether we like it or not because of our own failure as a nation to educate our electorate, allowing them to understand for themselves the danger of a man like Barack Obama in the White House.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
blueballs wrote:Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.
More hyperbole and alarmist BS from the right...shocker.
Point out the inaccuracies.
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89Hen wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
More hyperbole and alarmist BS from the right...shocker.
Point out the inaccuracies.
I'm talking about all the Marxist shit at the end.

BTW, the last President/VP who were business "savvy" presided over the biggest economic catastrophe since the great depression. :thumb:
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blueballs wrote:This commentary on Prezbo's speech pretty much sums it up:

I have a sneaking suspicion that that the Chamber could not have applauded, even if it wanted to (though it didn't want to) .. because they were just stunned by some of the words billowing forth from our dear leader, the Community Organizer.

Let's try this little goodie, for example ...

"If we're fighting to reform the tax code and increase exports, the benefits cannot just translate into greater profits and bonuses for those at the top. They have to be shared by American workers, who need to know that opening markets will lift their standard of living as well as your bottom line."

You read that correctly, folks. "They have to be shared by American workers." How do you like that?

Now ... let's do a quick Cliff Notes review of this man as it relates to commerce and the private markets.

Barack Obama is a man who has:

Never had to write a business plan
Never had to review a business plan to determine its worthiness
Never had to create a budget for a private business
Never had to calculate the economic worth of an existing or new employee for a business
Never had to worry about the cost of benefits provided to a business employee
Never had to worry about whether or not a business was making a profit
Never had to explain to a boss or to shareholders why a business was losing money
Never had to file a business tax return
Never had to talk to an accountant about business matters
Never had to hire an attorney to deal with business matters
Never had to worry about the effects of government regulations on a business he owns or operates
Never had to tell an employee that he was being let go because business was slow
Never had to place a "help-wanted" ad looking for a new worker
Never had to look at a list of revenues and expenses to determine how much a new employee can be paid.
Never had to face competition from a new business down the street
.... And most importantly:

Barack Obama is a man who has referred to the private sector as "the enemy." And don't think that these men and women of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't remember that line while he was reading his teleprompter in front of them yesterday.

In short ... this is a man who has no idea in the universe what it means to own and operate a business, yet there he is telling businesses that they have to go out there and figure out how they can hire more people? Is he serious? In what parallel universe does it become the purpose and overriding objective business to simply try to figure out how to hire more people?

Let's look bad at some of Obama's previous utterings:

"At some point you just have to admit you've made enough money."
"You need to spread the wealth around."
And one of my all-time favorites: You have to raise taxes not to increase government revenue, but "out of fairness."
That's right! It's just not fair that you are earning that much money ... se we have to take it from you and spread it around.

We have an avowed enemy of the private sector .. a man with zero business experience himself .. standing up in front of a room of businessmen and telling them that they are actually in business to hire people and share the wealth. WRONG! They are in business to make money for their owners and/or shareholders. To do that they hire people who can help produce wealth, and they pay those people a competitive wage to keep them on the payroll. This, of course, is completely lost on someone who considers the private sector to be his enemy. That's OK though ... the private sector looks at him the same way.

I am reminded of that Russian Newspaper article that appeared right before Obama was elected. The Pravda newspaper ran an article, "American Capitalism Gone with a Whimper" for a title? Here's a quote from the article:

"It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people."

This article had it exactly right. Obama is the result of a "sheeple" population that was more interested in his coolness than they were in his policy or experience. We are sliding toward Marxism whether we like it or not because of our own failure as a nation to educate our electorate, allowing them to understand for themselves the danger of a man like Barack Obama in the White House.
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