AFA Radio: Native Americans morally disqualified to govern.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

gonna step up and defend the goper candidates from the perspective of a campaign manager...

someone tells me "we want to interview your presidential hopeful... our network has a daily audience of 2 million mostly evangelical opinion leaders in their social circles (alpha consumers)"

if i'm running a goper for president, wild horses couldn't keep me away.

sure the host says provocative things... he's a talk radio host... whatever... it's his AUDIENCE I'm after.

Seems like it would just be preaching to the choir.

yeah... but as campaign managers - our job isn't to persuade the other side... it's to turn out OUR base. There aren't really very many "swing voters" - there are leaners... and it's your job to get them... and to make double damn sure your base is shored up. (Rove did this masterfully for GWB in 04)

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

America as a whole should be ashamed the way the Native American is still treated

I think America as a whole should be ashamed of the way the Indians have treated this country. Sorry but you cant ignore the lazy, suck off the teet, mentality that a large % of them have.

I dont feel sorry for them one fu*king bit.

[Gil Dobie]

America as a whole should be ashamed the way the Native American is still treated

I think America as a whole should be ashamed of the way the Indians have treated this country. Sorry but you cant ignore the lazy, suck off the teet, mentality that a large % of them have.

I dont feel sorry for them one fu*king bit.

The Indian only took what they needed from the land, the American government took the good land and basically put the Indians on a wasteland. Poverty, crime, drugs and alcohol are what many kids grow up with on the Rez. Some are able to leave, others fall into the cycle. The racist local whites don't help things out much either. I don't feel sorry for them either, the word is empathy.

[native]

The best two English teachers I ever had were Native American women.

[Vidav]

I just wish I got tax breaks for no reason.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I think America as a whole should be ashamed of the way the Indians have treated this country. Sorry but you cant ignore the lazy, suck off the teet, mentality that a large % of them have.

I dont feel sorry for them one fu*king bit.

The Indian only took what they needed from the land, the American government took the good land and basically put the Indians on a wasteland. Poverty, crime, drugs and alcohol are what many kids grow up with on the Rez. Some are able to leave, others fall into the cycle. The racist local whites don't help things out much either. I don't feel sorry for them either, the word is empathy.

Typical myth.

The Indian raped and pillaged the land and animals so hard they made themselves nomadic. Go spin your spin somewhere else. The blame for what they are lies squarely on them nobody else. They chose poverty, crime and drugs quit sugar coating it.

[Ibanez]

Just like attempts to pin the Crucifixion on Jews, holding modern people responsible for what happened 150 years ago is reprehensible. So Christian Native Americans are ALSO unfit to lead? THIS Christian calls that HOGWASH.

I haven’t been to church in years, but if I recall correctly the Jews were responsible for the crucifixion. There was also an episode of South Park that verifies this.

They even hurried the process due to the sabbath.

[SuperHornet]

I haven’t been to church in years, but if I recall correctly the Jews were responsible for the crucifixion. There was also an episode of South Park that verifies this.

They even hurried the process due to the sabbath.

You can't hurry the "process" of a crucifixion any more than the Romans generally did. (The Romans would break criminals' legs so they couldn't push their bodies up to facilitate breathing. Had Christ still been alive at sunset, he would have stayed where he was. Once it was clear that Christ had died, he was pulled down because of regulations about handling dead bodies after sunset (and, yes, on the Sabbath).

If you've ever seen a doctor's description of what goes on (or went on) during a crucifixion, you'll understand why it's not used anymore. One of the most gruesome execution methods ever devised.

About Jewish involvement: it was the LEADERSHIP (i.e. the Sanhedrin and the high-ranking priests), not the gullible crowds, that was responsible for this. They not only fooled the crowds for the purpose of keeping what semblance of power they had, they fooled Pilate into fearing for HIS position to allow the execution on trumped up charges. Holding the average Jew responsible for Christ's execution (especially given that He was their sacrificial lamb even if they didn't recognize it at the time) is like holding the average American responsible for that stain on Monica's dress.

[SDHornet]

Jesus shook up their religious world and the Jewish leaders wanted him gone…so they manipulated the system and offed Him. I don’t think Pilate was fooled so much as he just wanted the situation quelled so Rome wouldn’t hear about all the commotion going on in his jurisdiction. Regardless I agree that Jesus was killed due to the doings of the Jewish leadership of that time as they were the one's directly impacted by His work.

I have no idea how Jewish leadership was selected at that time but the American people can’t be held responsible for who gives a president a bj however, we are held accountable for our leadership as ultimately we are the ones who vote these idiots into power. Your comparison doesn’t lineup.

[SuperHornet]

Well, at least you got where I was going, SD. That's not always a given, you know.

[Appaholic]

The Indian only took what they needed from the land, the American government took the good land and basically put the Indians on a wasteland. Poverty, crime, drugs and alcohol are what many kids grow up with on the Rez. Some are able to leave, others fall into the cycle. The racist local whites don't help things out much either. I don't feel sorry for them either, the word is empathy.

Typical myth.

The Indian raped and pillaged the land and animals so hard they made themselves nomadic. Go spin your spin somewhere else. The blame for what they are lies squarely on them nobody else. They chose poverty, crime and drugs quit sugar coating it.

Gotta agree. I'm part Cherokee so you need to ask yourself...."Would I want Appa as my Mayor / Governor / Senator / et al?" Case closed....

[Thumper 76]

America as a whole should be ashamed the way the Native American is still treated

I think America as a whole should be ashamed of the way the Indians have treated this country. Sorry but you cant ignore the lazy, suck off the teet, mentality that a large % of them have.

I dont feel sorry for them one fu*king bit.

I'm so ashamed that they get to have college for free, have hunting and fishing rights I will never have, and still hold a grudge against ME for what happend to them hundreds of years ago because their society didn't advance themselves technologically enough to defend themselves from assholes who came to rape and pillage them.

[89Hen]

I'm so ashamed that they get to have college for free, have hunting and fishing rights I will never have, and still hold a grudge against ME for what happend to them hundreds of years ago because their society didn't advance themselves technologically enough to defend themselves from assholes who came to rape and pillage them.

Most wars end with a winner and a loser.

[SDHornet]

Well, at least you got where I was going, SD. That's not always a given, you know.

I’ve had many years of brainwashing in my youth. Granted I had to dig deep to recall what I was told to believe regarding this issue but I seemed to get where you were going with this one.

[Thumper 76]

I'm so ashamed that they get to have college for free, have hunting and fishing rights I will never have, and still hold a grudge against ME for what happend to them hundreds of years ago because their society didn't advance themselves technologically enough to defend themselves from assholes who came to rape and pillage them.

Most wars end with a winner and a loser.

[Grizalltheway]

I think America as a whole should be ashamed of the way the Indians have treated this country. Sorry but you cant ignore the lazy, suck off the teet, mentality that a large % of them have.

I dont feel sorry for them one fu*king bit.

I'm so ashamed that they get to have college for free, have hunting and fishing rights I will never have, and still hold a grudge against ME for what happend to them hundreds of years ago because their society didn't advance themselves technologically enough to defend themselves from assholes who came to rape and pillage them.

Read Guns, Germs, and Steel. It had nothing to do with how inherently dumb/smart/motivated they were, and vice-versa.

[AZGrizFan]

THey're not fit to govern AMERICA because they live in their own sovereign nations.

If they want to govern, give up all the free government moolah they get on an annual basis, then we'll talk.

[Thumper 76]

I'm so ashamed that they get to have college for free, have hunting and fishing rights I will never have, and still hold a grudge against ME for what happend to them hundreds of years ago because their society didn't advance themselves technologically enough to defend themselves from assholes who came to rape and pillage them.

Read Guns, Germs, and Steel. It had nothing to do with how inherently dumb/smart/motivated they were, and vice-versa.

Yeah I realize a lot were wiped out by disease and such they had no resistance built up to, but you are telling me that them not having the same level of technological advancements had nothing to do with it? Guns vs. Bow and Arrow?

[Thumper 76]

THey're not fit to govern AMERICA because they live in their own sovereign nations.

If they want to govern, give up all the free government moolah they get on an annual basis, then we'll talk.

[Grizalltheway]

Read Guns, Germs, and Steel. It had nothing to do with how inherently dumb/smart/motivated they were, and vice-versa.

Yeah I realize a lot were wiped out by disease and such they had no resistance built up to, but you are telling me that them not having the same level of technological advancements had nothing to do with it? Guns vs. Bow and Arrow?

No, it had a lot to do with it, I'm saying there were other factors involved in them not having the same technological advancements.

I also think you're mistaken in acting like we had some sort of god-given right to their land.

But hey, it's in the past, what happened, happened, and I agree that there's no point in them dwelling on it and using it as an excuse .

[Thumper 76]

Yeah I realize a lot were wiped out by disease and such they had no resistance built up to, but you are telling me that them not having the same level of technological advancements had nothing to do with it? Guns vs. Bow and Arrow?

No, it had a lot to do with it, I'm saying there were other factors involved in them not having the same technological advancements.

I also think you're mistaken in acting like we had some sort of god-given right to their land.

But hey, it's in the past, what happened, happened, and I agree that there's no point in them dwelling on it and using it as an excuse .

I'm certainly not of the veiw that we had the right to their land, but if you look at history its been happening ever since the dawn of man, people taking each other over and such. I don't think the Saxons were as sympathetic to the Britons when they conquered their asses. I just don't like that I have to pay for something and am supposed to feel some guilt for something I had no part in, and that because they have a slightly different skin tone it makes us racist bastards now. Had this country been a group of pale people I doubt we would be hearing as much people crying racist at us.

[Skjellyfetti]

Yeah I realize a lot were wiped out by disease and such they had no resistance built up to, but you are telling me that them not having the same level of technological advancements had nothing to do with it? Guns vs. Bow and Arrow?

Their guns were shitty as fuck. They were more useful for scaring natives than killing them. In the time it would take to fire and reload a gun... an Indian could fire off 5 or 6 arrows. Indians with longbows were more accurate and could shoot longer distances than matchlock muskets. When John Smith was captured he intentionally broke his pistol so the indians wouldn't find out how worthless it was.

Yeah, eventually firearm technology progressed (after contact) and the flintlock and then the rifle gave Europeans a huge superiority.... but, by that time the Indians had already been defeated. It was over.

What doomed the Indians was not a lack of technology. Blunders by their leaders... often in an attempt to ally themselves with the foreigners against their enemies... doomed native american civilization from Canada to South America.

Motecuhzoma could have easily annihilated Cortez's men as soon as he had word that they made landfall. He fucked up and allowed them into his capitol city.

Powhatan could have wiped out the first permanent English colony in the New World if he desired. The settlers were starving... only about 25% survived the "starving time." Instead of wiping out the remaining, emaciated survivors... he fed them and tried to make an alliance with them.

Massasoit could have massacred the Pilgrims without much effort. Much like Jamestown... as the settlers died of starvation and disease, he gave them food and tried to ally himself with them against his enemies.

[Skjellyfetti]

I just don't like that I have to pay for something and am supposed to feel some guilt for something I had no part in, and that because they have a slightly different skin tone it makes us racist bastards now. Had this country been a group of pale people I doubt we would be hearing as much people crying racist at us.

You don't have to feel guilty... you have no reason to. I don't think anyone's telling you that you should feel guilty... and if you don't... you're a racist.

I think what this thread is about is some fucking bigot that believes Native Americans are "morally disqualified to govern." That's racism. No?

[Thumper 76]

I just don't like that I have to pay for something and am supposed to feel some guilt for something I had no part in, and that because they have a slightly different skin tone it makes us racist bastards now. Had this country been a group of pale people I doubt we would be hearing as much people crying racist at us.

You don't have to feel guilty... you have no reason to. I don't think anyone's telling you that you should feel guilty... and if you don't... you're a racist.

I think what this thread is about is some fucking bigot that believes Native Americans are "morally disqualified to govern." That's racism. No?

Yea it is, but from my personal experience I have been called racist before by a person for saying I don't feel guilty for it.

And yes, I agree, saying they are morally disqualified to govern is very racist.

[Thumper 76]

Yeah I realize a lot were wiped out by disease and such they had no resistance built up to, but you are telling me that them not having the same level of technological advancements had nothing to do with it? Guns vs. Bow and Arrow?

Their guns were shitty as fuck. They were more useful for scaring natives than killing them. In the time it would take to fire and reload a gun... an Indian could fire off 5 or 6 arrows. Indians with longbows were more accurate and could shoot longer distances than matchlock muskets. When John Smith was captured he intentionally broke his pistol so the indians wouldn't find out how worthless it was.

Yeah, eventually firearm technology progressed (after contact) and the flintlock and then the rifle gave Europeans a huge superiority.... but, by that time the Indians had already been defeated. It was over.

What doomed the Indians was not a lack of technology. Blunders by their leaders... often in an attempt to ally themselves with the foreigners against their enemies... doomed native american civilization from Canada to South America.

Motecuhzoma could have easily annihilated Cortez's men as soon as he had word that they made landfall. He fucked up and allowed them into his capitol city.

Powhatan could have wiped out the first permanent English colony in the New World if he desired. The settlers were starving... only about 25% survived the "starving time." Instead of wiping out the remaining, emaciated survivors... he fed them and tried to make an alliance with them.

Massasoit could have massacred the Pilgrims without much effort. Much like Jamestown... as the settlers died of starvation and disease, he gave them food and tried to ally himself with them against his enemies.

Good points, I wasn't using my brain and thinking back to the beginning, but I was thinking more of the time that the atrocities started to happen.