SD Republicans want to make killing abortion providers legal

[clenz]

How is the fetus not an American citizen? If both parents are American citizens would the child not be a citizen regardless where they are born?

"until you're in my phonebook, you aren't a person" - Bill Hicks

I'm not in anybody's phonebook, since I don't have a land line.

Am I not a person, and it should be okay to kill me?
How about the Amish who don't use electricity?

[TwinTownBisonFan]

btw... the problem with the "states rights" argument is simple. Constitutional rights trump them.

if the 14th Amendment protects the right to privacy in New Jersey, it also does so in South Dakota. To allow one state to deny such a right to their citizens would be a violation of the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

"until you're in my phonebook, you aren't a person" - Bill Hicks

I'm not in anybody's phonebook, since I don't have a land line.

Am I not a person, and it should be okay to kill me?
How about the Amish who don't use electricity?

[Appaholic]

Nope. Just need the doctor's to quit playing God....

(I'm so glad we've got another abortion thread going.... )

So all forms of modern medicine and technology should be abolished?

Yes. Well, a good "bleeding" to get the bad blood out might be OK....

[ToTheLeft]

I'm not in anybody's phonebook, since I don't have a land line.

Am I not a person, and it should be okay to kill me?
How about the Amish who don't use electricity?

Its another slippery slope.

But logical fallacies don't matter when on the internet.

[∞∞∞]

How is the fetus not an American citizen? If both parents are American citizens would the child not be a citizen regardless where they are born?

A fetus isn't an American citizen because it's an unborn offspring. The Constitution clearly says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States." If two illegal immigrants conceived on American shores, then does the fetus have American citizenship even if we deport the parents and the mother gives birth in her country?

Like I said, it should be a state issue.

[Appaholic]

How about the Amish who don't use electricity?

Burn 'em!

[Skjellyfetti]

"until you're in my phonebook, you aren't a person" - Bill Hicks

I'm not in anybody's phonebook, since I don't have a land line.

Am I not a person, and it should be okay to kill me?
How about the Amish who don't use electricity?

Wow you are dense. Bill Hicks was a comedian. That's what is sometimes referred to as a "joke."

[JoltinJoe]

Just wondering if you can kill any of the nurses who might get in the way?

[Appaholic]

Just wondering if you can kill any of the nurses who might get in the way?

Good question JJ. If a nurse, who isn't directly working the vacuum, throws herself in front of the doctor performing the abortion and is killed, is that murder? Or would she just be considered collateral damage as long as the second bullet found the doctor? Very interesting legal dilemma. What's your take JJ? Danefan?

[dbackjon]

Just wondering if you can kill any of the nurses who might get in the way?

Good question JJ. If a nurse, who isn't directly working the vacuum, throws herself in front of the doctor performing the abortion and is killed, is that murder? Or would she just be considered collateral damage as long as the second bullet found the doctor? Very interesting legal dilemma. What's your take JJ? Danefan?

What about the receptionist who schedules the appoinment?


What about the lawmakers that defund pre-natal care, causing a miscarriage due to poor nutrition?

[JoltinJoe]

Just wondering if you can kill any of the nurses who might get in the way?

Good question JJ. If a nurse, who isn't directly working the vacuum, throws herself in front of the doctor performing the abortion and is killed, is that murder? Or would she just be considered collateral damage as long as the second bullet found the doctor? Very interesting legal dilemma. What's your take JJ? Danefan?

I think the law should be it's murder of the nurse -- unless you get the doctor too. Plug both of them, you walk. Get only the nurse, you go to the jail.

In fact, as long as you get the doctor, you can kill as many people as you like while in the abortion center. But if you don't get the doctor, it's simply pointless violence.

[JoltinJoe]

Good question JJ. If a nurse, who isn't directly working the vacuum, throws herself in front of the doctor performing the abortion and is killed, is that murder? Or would she just be considered collateral damage as long as the second bullet found the doctor? Very interesting legal dilemma. What's your take JJ? Danefan?

What about the receptionist who schedules the appoinment?


What about the lawmakers that defund pre-natal care, causing a miscarriage due to poor nutrition?

The receptionist can be blown away, no questions asked.

As for the lawmakers, they can be plugged for de-funding pre-natal care - unless they also vote for this law.

[dbackjon]

What about the receptionist who schedules the appoinment?


What about the lawmakers that defund pre-natal care, causing a miscarriage due to poor nutrition?

The receptionist can be blown away, no questions asked.

As for the lawmakers, they can be plugged for de-funding pre-natal care - unless they also vote for this law.

Quite the conundrum, Joe. Can't kill the fetus, but damned if we are going to take care of it...

[Appaholic]

Good question JJ. If a nurse, who isn't directly working the vacuum, throws herself in front of the doctor performing the abortion and is killed, is that murder? Or would she just be considered collateral damage as long as the second bullet found the doctor? Very interesting legal dilemma. What's your take JJ? Danefan?

What about the receptionist who schedules the appoinment?


What about the lawmakers that defund pre-natal care, causing a miscarriage due to poor nutrition?

Good point Jon. What about Mom's who don't eat a proper diet even if they have the means?

[Appaholic]

Good question JJ. If a nurse, who isn't directly working the vacuum, throws herself in front of the doctor performing the abortion and is killed, is that murder? Or would she just be considered collateral damage as long as the second bullet found the doctor? Very interesting legal dilemma. What's your take JJ? Danefan?

I think the law should be it's murder of the nurse -- unless you get the doctor too. Plug both of them, you walk. Get only the nurse, you go to the jail.

In fact, as long as you get the doctor, you can kill as many people as you like while in the abortion center. But if you don't get the doctor, it's simply pointless violence.

I think you're right. Hopefully the law will be something reasonable like you stated above so we can avoid unnecessary litigation.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

What about the receptionist who schedules the appoinment?


What about the lawmakers that defund pre-natal care, causing a miscarriage due to poor nutrition?

Good point Jon. What about Mom's who don't eat a proper diet even if they have the means?

what about the school district that spent all their time teaching "abstinence only" so she had no clue about pregnancy prevention?

[Appaholic]

Good point Jon. What about Mom's who don't eat a proper diet even if they have the means?

what about the school district that spent all their time teaching "abstinence only" so she had no clue about pregnancy prevention?

Well, people teaching pregnancy prevention are toeing a dangerous line. While not outright qualifying for death, they could be subject to random beatings without recourse...

[89Hen]

So...at what point is a fetus considered a "person" or not.

If a person can be charged with double murder for an unborn fetus, why is killing just the fetus okay?

so is having a miscarriage murder?

Did you really just ask that?

NM... just saw what you were going for.

[89Hen]

When it can survive outside the womb.

Okay, 50 years ago a fetus couldn't really survive outside the womb if it was more than a couple weeks premature. Today there are babies being born at 22 or 23 weeks and surviving.

So...this is a rule that would have to change every so often as technology increases?

This. Skelly, you're smarter than that.

[89Hen]

Nope. Just need the doctor's to quit playing God....

Yeah! Leave that up to pregnant women and pro-choice people.

[Thumper 76]

Good question JJ. If a nurse, who isn't directly working the vacuum, throws herself in front of the doctor performing the abortion and is killed, is that murder? Or would she just be considered collateral damage as long as the second bullet found the doctor? Very interesting legal dilemma. What's your take JJ? Danefan?

What about the receptionist who schedules the appoinment?


What about the lawmakers that defund pre-natal care, causing a miscarriage due to poor nutrition?

Shit. Need more bullets, brb.

[89Hen]

Argue the scientific/religious points of the discussion all you want, but the Constitution is meant to protect citizens from the government. A fetus, unlike its mother, is not a citizen of the United States. If states want to take up the issue that's fine by me, but I don't think it should be the concern of the federal government.

Then repeal Roe v Wade.

[Grizalltheway]

Argue the scientific/religious points of the discussion all you want, but the Constitution is meant to protect citizens from the government. A fetus, unlike its mother, is not a citizen of the United States. If states want to take up the issue that's fine by me, but I don't think it should be the concern of the federal government.

Then repeal Roe v Wade.

No. Mind your own goddamn business and quit telling women what to do with their bodies.

[Appaholic]

Nope. Just need the doctor's to quit playing God....

Yeah! Leave that up to pregnant women and pro-choice people.

Agree. Well, them and the lawmaker's...