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So I just finished another brilliant article by Matt Taibbi and find myself starting to change my mind about Wall Street. The impotent left hand-wrings over the injustice of evil rich guys stealing pensions while the teabaggers provide them cover by blabbering on about "Amarica" and the constitution." Meanwhile these geniuses have completely captured the system to the point where they don't need either group, they don't need either party. They don't need unemployment to go down, they don't need manufacturing to return, hell they really don't need America at all.

But rather than loathe them for it, I'm beginning to think they should be congratulated for their brilliance in winning the game. :notworthy: :clap:

(The excerpt below is one example but there's others including the fraud of Fannie and Freddie that you conks will like. The entire article is a fascinating read) :thumb:

Over drinks at a bar on a dreary, snowy night in Washington this past month, a former Senate investigator laughed as he polished off his beer.

"Everything's fucked up, and nobody goes to jail," he said. "That's your whole story right there. Hell, you don't even have to write the rest of it. Just write that."...

Pause for a minute to take this in. Aguirre, an SEC foot soldier, is trying to interview a major Wall Street executive — not handcuff the guy or impound his yacht, mind you, just talk to him. In the course of doing so, he finds out that his target's firm is being represented not only by Eliot Spitzer's former top aide, but by the former U.S. attorney overseeing Wall Street, who is going four levels over his head to speak directly to the chief of the SEC's enforcement division — not Aguirre's boss, but his boss's boss's boss's boss. Mack himself, meanwhile, was being represented by Gary Lynch, a former SEC director of enforcement.

Aguirre didn't stand a chance. A month after he complained to his supervisors that he was being blocked from interviewing Mack, he was summarily fired, without notice. The case against Mack was immediately dropped: all depositions canceled, no further subpoenas issued. "It all happened so fast, I needed a seat belt," recalls Aguirre, who had just received a stellar performance review from his bosses. The SEC eventually paid Aguirre a settlement of $755,000 for wrongful dismissal.

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You gotta hand it to 'em - no better time to be ultra-wealthy than when the Supreme Court has made our government officially for sale to the highest bidder. Game over.
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houndawg wrote:You gotta hand it to 'em - no better time to be ultra-wealthy than when the Supreme Court has made our government officially for sale to the highest bidder. Game over.
is that ANY different than at any other time in our history?

1870-1910 wasn't called the Age of the Robber Barons for nothing...
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:You gotta hand it to 'em - no better time to be ultra-wealthy than when the Supreme Court has made our government officially for sale to the highest bidder. Game over.
is that ANY different than at any other time in our history?

1870-1910 wasn't called the Age of the Robber Barons for nothing...
Not any different, other than now having the imprimatur of the Supreme Court
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And America will defend these thieves with our last dying breath...
(we always have and always will)



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houndawg wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
is that ANY different than at any other time in our history?

1870-1910 wasn't called the Age of the Robber Barons for nothing...
Not any different, other than now having the imprimatur of the Supreme Court
Which matters what in the grand scheme of things? Money was run amock in elections long before the Supreme Court said anything about it. Blaming it on the Supreme Court is basically turning a blind eye to the 200 years that preceeded that decision. That case is much ado about nothing - it didn't change the reality at all that money is present in obscene amounts in public elections.
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Chizzang wrote:And America will defend these thieves with our last dying breath...
(we always have and always will)



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One person's thief is another person's shrewd businessman. Unless you're Bernie Madoff, who as Taibbi points out, made the mistake of stealing from the wrong people. What a schmuck.
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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:And America will defend these thieves with our last dying breath...
(we always have and always will)



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One person's thief is another person's shrewd businessman. Unless you're Bernie Madoff, who as Taibbi points out, made the mistake of stealing from the wrong people. What a schmuck.
Right - "shrewd business" is indeed the lens we need to use to look at this
It's similar to the mad rush to war in Iraq
If you apply the "shrewd business" lens to that situation it makes perfect sense - tripled stock portfolios in a matter of months, huge federal proposals and gigantic no contest bids - all fabulous business... and WAR just like WALL STREET it's easy (remarkably easy in fact) to get congress 100% on board...

Differing tactics are required of course but it all plays out the same


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GannonFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Not any different, other than now having the imprimatur of the Supreme Court
Which matters what in the grand scheme of things? Money was run amock in elections long before the Supreme Court said anything about it. Blaming it on the Supreme Court is basically turning a blind eye to the 200 years that preceeded that decision. That case is much ado about nothing - it didn't change the reality at all that money is present in obscene amounts in public elections.
Your zeal is commendable, GF, but your reading comprehension is not. :ohno:

I didn't blame the Supreme Court for the way things have always been, I don't know how you read that into my sentence. Read it again. SCOTUS has stripped away the charade that your vote matters and should be commended for their lack of hypocrisy, at last you know exactly where you stand with your government, officially.
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houndawg wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Which matters what in the grand scheme of things? Money was run amock in elections long before the Supreme Court said anything about it. Blaming it on the Supreme Court is basically turning a blind eye to the 200 years that preceeded that decision. That case is much ado about nothing - it didn't change the reality at all that money is present in obscene amounts in public elections.
Your zeal is commendable, GF, but your reading comprehension is not. :ohno:

I didn't blame the Supreme Court for the way things have always been, I don't know how you read that into my sentence. Read it again. SCOTUS has stripped away the charade that your vote matters and should be commended for their lack of hypocrisy, at last you know exactly where you stand with your government, officially.
I've read plenty of your sentences in multiple threads on this, let's not be coy. You've said time and time again that the SCOTUS decision was a game changer and now, because of it, we can longer, as ordinary citizens, have a real say in elections and governing. Your backtrack now to be something more accurate is, itself, also commendable, as much as it is disingenuous. But hey, at least now you're being more accurate - chalk one up for me! :thumb:
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GannonFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Your zeal is commendable, GF, but your reading comprehension is not. :ohno:

I didn't blame the Supreme Court for the way things have always been, I don't know how you read that into my sentence. Read it again. SCOTUS has stripped away the charade that your vote matters and should be commended for their lack of hypocrisy, at last you know exactly where you stand with your government, officially.
I've read plenty of your sentences in multiple threads on this, let's not be coy.You've said time and time again that the SCOTUS decision was a game changer and now, because of it, we can longer, as ordinary citizens, have a real say in elections and governing. Your backtrack now to be something more accurate is, itself, also commendable, as much as it is disingenuous. But hey, at least now you're being more accurate - chalk one up for me! :thumb:
Yes, this. However, once again, this is not blaming SCOTUS for the way things have always been. :thumb:

Typing slow here, GF - While it has always been true that the votes of the likes of you and me don't count, there was always this polite fiction, maintained by government, that government was by, for, and of the people. The SCOTUS decision has simply removed this polite fiction and made official what we've always known - that you get the government you can buy.
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Dick Fuld might be the best of all. :thumb:
In the case of Lehman Brothers, the SEC had a chance six months before the crash to move against Dick Fuld, a man recently named the worst CEO of all time by Portfolio magazine. A decade before the crash, a Lehman lawyer named Oliver Budde was going through the bank's proxy statements and noticed that it was using a loophole involving Restricted Stock Units to hide tens of millions of dollars of Fuld's compensation. Budde told his bosses that Lehman's use of RSUs was dicey at best, but they blew him off. "We're sorry about your concerns," they told him, "but we're doing it." Disturbed by such shady practices, the lawyer quit the firm in 2006.

Then, only a few months after Budde left Lehman, the SEC changed its rules to force companies to disclose exactly how much compensation in RSUs executives had coming to them. "The SEC was basically like, 'We're sick and tired of you people fucking around — we want a picture of what you're holding,'" Budde says. But instead of coming clean about eight separate RSUs that Fuld had hidden from investors, Lehman filed a proxy statement that was a masterpiece of cynical lawyering. On one page, a chart indicated that Fuld had been awarded $146 million in RSUs. But two pages later, a note in the fine print essentially stated that the chart did not contain the real number — which, it failed to mention, was actually $263 million more than the chart indicated. "They fucked around even more than they did before," Budde says. (The law firm that helped craft the fine print, Simpson Thacher & Bartlett, would later receive a lucrative federal contract to serve as legal adviser to the TARP bailout.)

Budde decided to come forward. In April 2008, he wrote a detailed memo to the SEC about Lehman's history of hidden stocks. Shortly thereafter, he got a letter back that began, "Dear Sir or Madam." It was an automated e-response.

"They blew me off," Budde says.

Over the course of that summer, Budde tried to contact the SEC several more times, and was ignored each time. Finally, in the fateful week of September 15th, 2008, when Lehman Brothers cracked under the weight of its reckless bets on the subprime market and went into its final death spiral, Budde became seriously concerned. If the government tried to arrange for Lehman to be pawned off on another Wall Street firm, as it had done with Bear Stearns, the U.S. taxpayer might wind up footing the bill for a company with hundreds of millions of dollars in concealed compensation. So Budde again called the SEC, right in the middle of the crisis. "Look," he told regulators. "I gave you huge stuff. You really want to take a look at this."

But the feds once again blew him off. A young staff attorney contacted Budde, who once more provided the SEC with copies of all his memos. He never heard from the agency again.

"This was like a mini-Madoff," Budde says. "They had six solid months of warnings. They could have done something."

Three weeks later, Budde was shocked to see Fuld testifying before the House Government Oversight Committee and whining about how poor he was. "I got no severance, no golden parachute," Fuld moaned. When Rep. Henry Waxman, the committee's chairman, mentioned that he thought Fuld had earned more than $480 million, Fuld corrected him and said he believed it was only $310 million.

The true number, Budde calculated, was $529 million. He contacted a Senate investigator to talk about how Fuld had misled Congress, but he never got any response. Meanwhile, in a demonstration of the government's priorities, the Justice Department is proceeding full force with a prosecution of retired baseball player Roger Clemens for lying to Congress about getting a shot of steroids in his ass. "At least Roger didn't screw over the world," Budde says, shaking his head.

Fuld has denied any wrongdoing, but his hidden compensation was only a ripple in Lehman's raging tsunami of misdeeds. The investment bank used an absurd accounting trick called "Repo 105" transactions to conceal $50 billion in loans on the firm's balance sheet. (That's $50 billion, not million.)
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:rofl: and think how much on a grand scale is stolen - and stolen is the right word - from 401K accounts annually across America by these same "entrusted" officials and bank leaders...

All the while congress goes after Roger Clemens... (please don't look behind the curtain)


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People being free or not free to give as much as they want to political campaigns has absolutely nothing to do with the impact of an individual vote. You can vote the way you want to and it has the same impact whether there are restrictions on how much people can give to political campaigns or not.
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JohnStOnge wrote:People being free or not free to give as much as they want to political campaigns has absolutely nothing to do with the impact of an individual vote. You can vote the way you want to and it has the same impact whether there are restrictions on how much people can give to political campaigns or not.
Very well phrased. :notworthy:

But voters are stupid. :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:People being free or not free to give as much as they want to political campaigns has absolutely nothing to do with the impact of an individual vote. You can vote the way you want to and it has the same impact whether there are restrictions on how much people can give to political campaigns or not.
Very well phrased. :notworthy:

But voters are stupid. :coffee:
They proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt in 2008. :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Very well phrased. :notworthy:

But voters are stupid. :coffee:
They proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt in 2000, 2004, and 2008. :coffee:
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