Mohammed Salman Hamdani

[Grizalltheway]

More approval of white, Christian terrorists from cluck u.

Says the person who believes the Iraqi people should fight for their freedom.

Not by killing non-combatants.

[YoUDeeMan]

Says the person who believes the Iraqi people should fight for their freedom.

Not by killing non-combatants.

There are no "non-combatants" in an occupied territory.

[Grizalltheway]

Not by killing non-combatants.

There are no "non-combatants" in an occupied territory.

So you'd be okay with Palestinians blowing up Israeli settlements in the West Bank?

Prepare to hand in your neo-con card.

[Baldy]

What pisses me off is that these hearings do nothing to make our country safer. Moreover, they raise suspicions and cast aspersions on the entire Muslim community in the US - which will actually serve to 1) worsen relations and 2) enable those elements that are doing recruiting to prey on impressionable young men (mostly men) more easily by pointing to bigotry and hostility faced every day. 3) undermine the remarkable inroads law enforcement in this country has made in these communities - which, contrary to what certain media outlets would have you believe - WANT that element apprehended just as much as everyone else (and perhaps much, much more)

You look at the testimony of Abdi Bihi about his nephew. Kid was 15 and got roped in to going to Somalia - where he was killed. The Somali community in the Twin Cities has been bending over backwards to HELP the FBI and DHS get to the bottom of a lot of this - but nobody hears that side of the story. What we get instead are sensationalized news reports about the handful of kids (in a community of nearly 60,000) who were recruited and went back to Somalia. So now, a community built primarily of refugees from a civil war is seen from the outside as some kind of breeding ground for domestic terrorism - when it's the furthest thing from the truth.

[Pwns]

What does a muslim paramedic have to do with anything? Is anyone saying that a majority of American Muslims are radicalized and dangerous? Or even close to a majority? Don't think I've heard anyone say that. But to say that there isn't a small contingent of muslims who are violent and potentially dangerous is (like Baldy's graphic suggests) burying your head in the sand.

After Ft. Hood, various other foiled terror plots, and even some honor killings, can you not be at least somewhat concerned? It's interesting that some seem to think tea-partiers are more dangerous than violent, fundamentalist muslims.

[Skjellyfetti]

What does a muslim paramedic have to do with anything?

The point was that many assumed he was part of the plot since he failed to show up for work on 9/11 and was a muslim. Then his body turned up in the rubble and it turned out he helped saved dozens and gave his life in doing so.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

What does a muslim paramedic have to do with anything? Is anyone saying that a majority of American Muslims are radicalized and dangerous? Or even close to a majority? Don't think I've heard anyone say that. But to say that there isn't a small contingent of muslims who are violent and potentially dangerous is (like Baldy's graphic suggests) burying your head in the sand.

After Ft. Hood, various other foiled terror plots, and even some honor killings, can you not be at least somewhat concerned? It's interesting that some seem to think tea-partiers are more dangerous than violent, fundamentalist muslims.

Nobody is suggesting that there aren't radical elements at work in this, and many other communities. what I'm pointing out, is that McCarthy-esque hearings where a blowhard congressman (and peter king, the IRA funding assclown himself is an especially big blowhard - even by the standards of the congress) paints an entire community with one brush for the cameras - do nothing to actually make us safer - or to really help these communities rid themselves of these elements. what they do is serve to further inflame anti-Muslim sentiments and drive a deeper wedge between American Muslims and the rest of America. A wedge, by the way, that can be further exploited by those fringe elements doing recruiting.

Rather than having a dog-and-pony show designed to whip up fear and suspicion - perhaps a closed door meeting with DHS - esp. FBI would have been in order - it certainly would do more good, and would send a signal to American Muslims that our politicians (esp in the GOP) were more interested in our collective safety than they are in scoring political points by preying on peoples fears.

[Chizzang]

McCarthy was right.

McCarthy was right about 25% of the sh!t that came out of his mouth...
The other 75% was complete delusion

[blueballs]

Whatever we do we must NOT, for God's eeerrrrrrrrr Allah's sake, offend any Muslims.

Let us praise the peaceful Muslim religion, it's contributions to the world such as jihad, honor killings, the PLO, 9/11, Al Qaeda, Yassar Arafat, the Iranian Mullahs, the Taliban, Qadaffi, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the "blind sheik," Al Aqsa, Khobar Tower Bombings, USS Cole bombing, Jakarta Bombing, etc etc etc etc... I could go on for hours...

... also, let's not forget that practically every armed conflict in the world currently has one single thing in common- Muslims.

King is right to have these hearings. The jihadists have brought their crusade inside our shores and inside the ranks of our military as the grenade incident in Iraq and the Fort Hood shootings demonstrate. The problem needs to be identified and dealt with, the sooner the better.

[Grizalltheway]

Whatever we do we must NOT, for God's eeerrrrrrrrr Allah's sake, offend any Muslims.

Let us praise the peaceful Muslim religion, it's contributions to the world such as jihad, honor killings, the PLO, 9/11, Al Qaeda, Yassar Arafat, the Iranian Mullahs, the Taliban, Qadaffi, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the "blind sheik," Al Aqsa, Khobar Tower Bombings, USS Cole bombing, Jakarta Bombing, etc etc etc etc... I could go on for hours...

... also, let's not forget that practically every armed conflict in the world currently has one single thing in common- Muslims.

King is right to have these hearings. The jihadists have brought their crusade inside our shores and inside the ranks of our military as the grenade incident in Iraq and the Fort Hood shootings demonstrate. The problem needs to be identified and dealt with, the sooner the better.

That is ONE incident of a muslim US citizen going ape-shit on American soil. Did King want to have hearings on the radicalization of American christians after OKC?

[Chizzang]

Whatever we do we must NOT, for God's eeerrrrrrrrr Allah's sake, offend any Muslims.

Let us praise the peaceful Muslim religion, it's contributions to the world such as jihad, honor killings, the PLO, 9/11, Al Qaeda, Yassar Arafat, the Iranian Mullahs, the Taliban, Qadaffi, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the "blind sheik," Al Aqsa, Khobar Tower Bombings, USS Cole bombing, Jakarta Bombing, etc etc etc etc... I could go on for hours...

... also, let's not forget that practically every armed conflict in the world currently has one single thing in common- Muslims.

King is right to have these hearings. The jihadists have brought their crusade inside our shores and inside the ranks of our military as the grenade incident in Iraq and the Fort Hood shootings demonstrate. The problem needs to be identified and dealt with, the sooner the better.

There's some stuff I like in this post:

1) Islam should be openly and routinely criticized - Globally (period) and who cares who it pisses off
2) What do 85% of all Global violent conflicts have in common - Gee let me guess... Islam (We have a winner Bob)

[Grizalltheway]

Whatever we do we must NOT, for God's eeerrrrrrrrr Allah's sake, offend any Muslims.

Let us praise the peaceful Muslim religion, it's contributions to the world such as jihad, honor killings, the PLO, 9/11, Al Qaeda, Yassar Arafat, the Iranian Mullahs, the Taliban, Qadaffi, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the "blind sheik," Al Aqsa, Khobar Tower Bombings, USS Cole bombing, Jakarta Bombing, etc etc etc etc... I could go on for hours...

... also, let's not forget that practically every armed conflict in the world currently has one single thing in common- Muslims.

King is right to have these hearings. The jihadists have brought their crusade inside our shores and inside the ranks of our military as the grenade incident in Iraq and the Fort Hood shootings demonstrate. The problem needs to be identified and dealt with, the sooner the better.

There's some stuff I like in this post:

1) Islam should be openly and routinely criticized - Globally (period) and who cares who it pisses off
2) What do 85% of all Global violent conflicts have in common - Gee let me guess... Islam (We have a winner Bob)

Like TTBF said, the way King is going about that just isn't effective-period.

[Chizzang]

Like TTBF said, the way King is going about that just isn't effective-period.

Probably... I don't necessarily enjoy what he's doing either nor do I believe it's effective

But the point still stands - we can't protect Islam from itself - nor can we pretend it's not a real problem
I am no fan of Religions moving beyond their station in society
The historical trends are ugly and often


Islam needs a concerted global beat down - and now is as good a time as any in my opinion

[LeadBolt]

The problem I see with Islam is that it is not just a religion, but also a political movement. I have no problem with Muslims peacefully practicing their religion, as most do. The problem I have is that at its core it is a religion and a political system, complete with its own law and political structure that is not compatible with democracy.

It is theocracy, with which I do have a problem. There is no ability to separate mosque and state. That is a problem. As most Americans on all sides of the political spectrum are opposed to a Christian theocracy, and believe in separation of church and state, I can't seem to understand their defense of a Muslim theocracy.

[Grizalltheway]

The problem I see with Islam is that it is not just a religion, but also a political movement. I have no problem with Muslims peacefully practicing their religion, as most do. The problem I have is that at its core it is a religion and a political system, complete with its own law and political structure that is not compatible with democracy.

It is theocracy, with which I do have a problem. There is no ability to separate mosque and state. That is a problem. As most Americans on all sides of the political spectrum are opposed to a Christian theocracy, and believe in separation of church and state, I can't seem to understand their defense of a Muslim theocracy.

I don't like it, either. I wish more Islamic-dominated countries would model themselves on Turkey.

[LeadBolt]

Here is an American Muslim who gets it at yesterday's hearings. Unfortunately, he and the silent majority of Muslims in the world have been either totally ineffectual or missing in action in reigning in the excesses of political Islam.

http://a12iggymom.wordpress.com/2011/03 ... -security/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TwinTownBisonFan]

The problem I see with Islam is that it is not just a religion, but also a political movement. I have no problem with Muslims peacefully practicing their religion, as most do. The problem I have is that at its core it is a religion and a political system, complete with its own law and political structure that is not compatible with democracy.

It is theocracy, with which I do have a problem. There is no ability to separate mosque and state. That is a problem. As most Americans on all sides of the political spectrum are opposed to a Christian theocracy, and believe in separation of church and state, I can't seem to understand their defense of a Muslim theocracy.

except that it isn't.

the notion of "islamofacism" is almost an entirely an invention of American non-Muslims. A product of fear and ignorance. The Muslim community in the US by and large is secular in their politics. (and before people start in with extreme examples - I've worked with the Muslim community politically - I know of what I speak)

the notion that Islam is incompatible with democracy is absurd - Turkey has been democratic for nearly 100 years. Indonesia (the worlds most populous Muslim country) is a democracy, and has been for 20 years - Malaysia is too.

the whole thing of "sharia law" agendas in the US, by anything but the most extreme fringe is a bogus creation of the media. much more real, and much more widely supported in this country is the notion of a Christian theocracy - and that isn't a very real threat either.

The Muslims I've worked with over the last five years are mostly worried about ensuring their ability to pray the way they want to, to not be harassed and intimidated in public, to not be discriminated against because of their name or religion... in other words - all the same shit every American has wanted ever.

While there are extremists in that community - there are extremists in every community - but there has been this paranoia based almost entirely on ignorance and fear of the unknown - that continues to push the notion that we are "under attack from within" it's the same paranoia that infected this country in 1942... and it's that same paranoia that led to an entire race of people being locked up...

[LeadBolt]

The problem I see with Islam is that it is not just a religion, but also a political movement. I have no problem with Muslims peacefully practicing their religion, as most do. The problem I have is that at its core it is a religion and a political system, complete with its own law and political structure that is not compatible with democracy.

It is theocracy, with which I do have a problem. There is no ability to separate mosque and state. That is a problem. As most Americans on all sides of the political spectrum are opposed to a Christian theocracy, and believe in separation of church and state, I can't seem to understand their defense of a Muslim theocracy.

except that it isn't.

the notion of "islamofacism" is almost an entirely an invention of American non-Muslims. A product of fear and ignorance. The Muslim community in the US by and large is secular in their politics. (and before people start in with extreme examples - I've worked with the Muslim community politically - I know of what I speak)

the notion that Islam is incompatible with democracy is absurd - Turkey has been democratic for nearly 100 years. Indonesia (the worlds most populous Muslim country) is a democracy, and has been for 20 years - Malaysia is too.

the whole thing of "sharia law" agendas in the US, by anything but the most extreme fringe is a bogus creation of the media. much more real, and much more widely supported in this country is the notion of a Christian theocracy - and that isn't a very real threat either.

The Muslims I've worked with over the last five years are mostly worried about ensuring their ability to pray the way they want to, to not be harassed and intimidated in public, to not be discriminated against because of their name or religion... in other words - all the same **** every American has wanted ever.

While there are extremists in that community - there are extremists in every community - but there has been this paranoia based almost entirely on ignorance and fear of the unknown - that continues to push the notion that we are "under attack from within" it's the same paranoia that infected this country in 1942... and it's that same paranoia that led to an entire race of people being locked up...

I don't dispute that in practice for most Muslims their religion is not a political system, however my reading of the Qur'an gives me a different perspective, and no I don't read Arabic, only the English translation.

That is why I believe the vast majority of peaceful Muslims have little or no impact on the radical fringe and why the radical fringe is growing. The radicals are the Muslims who are following their own scriptures, which calls for a theocracy, not islamofacism, which you seem to have inserted as a diversion.

Most fears of islamofacism are rooted in the alliance between Hitler and certain of the Muslim clerics during WWII, the fact that Mein Kampf is one of the all time best sellers in the Arab world, that Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of the ruling Syrian Ba'ath Party, recalls: "We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books", and the copying of Nazi advertising and educational techniques in certain of the Islamic nations today, to spread radical political Islamization, not (yet) in the actions of Muslims in the US to any large extent.

Let us not forget the change that has occurred in places like Lebanon over the last 50 years that were bastions of democracy and garden spots in the Middle East which had religious diversity and freedom then, but not now. To be ignorant of history is to repeat its mistakes, one of which was the locking up of a portion of the US population in 1942 which was blameless and another was to ignore the call in the Qu'ran to convert, subjugate, or kill all who are not of the Muslim faith, as has been done in many places on this earth in our life times.

I assume that most Muslims are peaceful folks and good neighbors, but that is not the point here. They should be free to practice their religion here without persecution, as should Christians in Islamic countries, but I would much rather be a Muslim here than a Christian there....

[BDKJMU]

McCarthy was right.

McCarthy was right about 75% of the sh!t that came out of his mouth...
The other 25% was complete delusion

FIFY.

Venona cables

[BDKJMU]

Whatever we do we must NOT, for God's eeerrrrrrrrr Allah's sake, offend any Muslims.

Let us praise the peaceful Muslim religion, it's contributions to the world such as jihad, honor killings, the PLO, 9/11, Al Qaeda, Yassar Arafat, the Iranian Mullahs, the Taliban, Qadaffi, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the "blind sheik," Al Aqsa, Khobar Tower Bombings, USS Cole bombing, Jakarta Bombing, etc etc etc etc... I could go on for hours...

... also, let's not forget that practically every armed conflict in the world currently has one single thing in common- Muslims.

King is right to have these hearings. The jihadists have brought their crusade inside our shores and inside the ranks of our military as the grenade incident in Iraq and the Fort Hood shootings demonstrate. The problem needs to be identified and dealt with, the sooner the better.

That is ONE incident of a muslim US citizen going ape-shit on American soil. Did King want to have hearings on the radicalization of American christians after OKC?

Is A LOT MORE THAN ONE since 9/11 involving radicalized muslim US Citizens & legal permanent residents going or plotting to go apeshit on American soil. Pull your

• May 2002, Jose Padilla: American citizen accused of seeking radioactive-laced "dirty bomb" to use in an attack against Amrica. Padilla was convicted of conspiracy in August, 2007.

• September 2002, Lackawanna Six: American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda after attending jihadist camp in Pakistan. Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.

• May 2003, Iyman Faris: American citizen charged with plotting to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.

• June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network: Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.

• August 2004, Dhiren Barot: Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers

• August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj: Sought to plant bomb at New York's Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.

• August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain: Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.

• June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat: Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.

• August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana: Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.

• December 2005, Michael Reynolds: Plotted to blow up natural gas refinery in Wyoming, the Transcontinental Pipeline, and a refinery in New Jersey. Reynolds was sentenced to 30 years in prison.

-2006, Syed Haaris Ahmed, a Pakistani, and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, an American of Bangladeshi descent, were charged with conspiring to make videos for extremists. They were convicted.

-2006, Seven men, including five U.S. citizens, were charged with conspiring to blow up Chicago's Sears Tower. Six were convicted.

-2007, Former U.S. sailor Hassan Abujihaad was accused of giving locations of Navy ships to a group that supports terrorists. He got 10 years.

-2007 Six New Jersey men were imprisoned in a conspiracy to attack Fort Dix.

-2007 An American and three others allegedly plotted to bomb fuel lines at JFK. All 3 of 4 have been convicted, 2 received life sentences, one 15 years, 4th awaits trial.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... otter.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-2008 Christopher Paul, a U.S. citizen, was arrested for conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction against U.S. and European targets. He got 20 years.

-2009 Four men were charged with plotting to bomb Bronx synagogues. All 4 were convicted.

-Hosam Maher Husein Smadi, a Jordanian living in Dallas, was charged in 2009 with trying to car-bomb an office tower. Pled guilty, sentenced to 24 years.
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairp ... untain.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-Michael Finton of Illinois was busted in 2009 in a courthouse bomb plot inspired by American Taliban John Walker Lindh.

-Bryant Neal Vinas of Long Island was busted in 2009 for allegedly giving Al Qaeda information on the subways and Long Island Rail Road. Plead guilty, case sealed:
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-22/just ... s=PM:CRIME" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brooklyn-born Betim Kaziu was charged in 2009 with trying to join an Al Qaeda affiliate in hope of killing U.S. troops.

-Twelve Americans were indicted in 2009 for allegedly supporting Al Shabaab, a terror group seeking to overthrow the Somali government.

-Colleen LaRose, aka Jihad Jane, 09' was charged with plotting to kill a Swedish cartoonist who had depicted the Prophet Mohammed. Plead guilty 3 days ago and is awaiting sentencing:
http://articles.philly.com/2011-03-05/n ... burg-woman" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-Sharif Mobley, a 26-year-old New Jersey man, was arrested in March in a roundup of Al Qaeda suspects in Yemen.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335 ... z1GKwR2Oit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/201 ... owing.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-2009' Muslim convert Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad opened fire with a rifle in a drive-by shooting on soldiers in front of a United States military recruiting office in Little Rock, Arkansas, in a jihad attack. He killed Private William Long, and wounded Private Quinton Ezeagwula.After his arrest, Muhammad acknowledged shooting the men. He told police that he had intended to kill as many Army personnel as possible. He had an SKS rifle, a Mossberg International 702 rifle, two handguns, 562 rounds of ammunition, and military books in his car. He said that he had been sent by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and that "the attack was justified according to Islamic Laws and the Islamic Religion. Jihad—to fight those who wage war on Islam and Muslims.” He had recently returned from 16 months in Yemen, and it was the first of two gunfire attacks in 2009 on US military facilities by Muslims with links to radical clerics in Yemen, who were upset at U.S. military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Muhammad is charged with capital murder, attempted capital murder, and 10 counts of unlawful discharge of a weapon. Muhammad also reportedly faced 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act.[5] Muhammad is pleading guilty, and awaiting a February 2011 jury trial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Littl ... e_shooting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7730637&page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-Nov 2009 muslim US Army major Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 and wounded 29 at Ft Hood. The ball was dropped one in the name of tolerance despite clear warning signs.

-2010 muslim convert charged with trying to blow up military recruiting center in Maryland:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/201 ... ing-center" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-2010, a 30-year-old Pakistani-American was sentenced to life in prison for attempting to detonate a vehicle bomb in Times Square.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2010/times.square.plot/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Heck, I might have missed some...

[Chizzang]

McCarthy was right about 25% of the sh!t that came out of his mouth...
The other 75% was complete delusion

FIFY.

Venona cables

I read the book - The Venona Secrets - that's why I say what I'm saying...
You obviously did not

[BDKJMU]

FIFY.

Venona cables

I read the book - The Venona Secrets - that's why I say what I'm saying...
You obviously did not

Ok, you're right because you read a book?..um...yeah...ok...

[Chizzang]

I read the book - The Venona Secrets - that's why I say what I'm saying...
You obviously did not

You read "the book"? .. yeah, ok....

Yes... look it up smart guy " The Venona Secrets"
It's written by your GODs you'd think you'd have been praying to it by now - except it falls short (way short)

[Chizzang]

Ok, you're right because you read a book?..um...yeah...ok...

And your information supporting the statement "McCarthy was right" is based on what...?
Glenn Beck..?



Get back to me when you want to have a real conversation about McCarthy little guy

[CID1990]

Whatever we do we must NOT, for God's eeerrrrrrrrr Allah's sake, offend any Muslims.

Let us praise the peaceful Muslim religion, it's contributions to the world such as jihad, honor killings, the PLO, 9/11, Al Qaeda, Yassar Arafat, the Iranian Mullahs, the Taliban, Qadaffi, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the "blind sheik," Al Aqsa, Khobar Tower Bombings, USS Cole bombing, Jakarta Bombing, etc etc etc etc... I could go on for hours...

... also, let's not forget that practically every armed conflict in the world currently has one single thing in common- Muslims.

King is right to have these hearings. The jihadists have brought their crusade inside our shores and inside the ranks of our military as the grenade incident in Iraq and the Fort Hood shootings demonstrate. The problem needs to be identified and dealt with, the sooner the better.

There's some stuff I like in this post:

1) Islam should be openly and routinely criticized - Globally (period) and who cares who it pisses off
2) What do 85% of all Global violent conflicts have in common - Gee let me guess... Islam (We have a winner Bob)

I like #1. However, a concerted global approach will of course be an attack on Islam, which will lead to more radicalization and terrorism, which is of course why the hand wringers of the world will never really get on board with it.