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Everyone get ready for Nebraska-Omaha. The Omaha World-Herald is reporting late tonight(or early Sunday) that the school will formally recommend to the Nebraska Board of Regents to go Division I and join the Summit League. The league officially invited UNO on Friday. That part is not the startling news, Jeff and I blogged and commented on the Saturday Morning Sports Show yesterday about UNO’s fast track to the league, even though this is fast. The surprising, startling and strange news is with the move, the school says that they’ll have to DROP football and wrestling. The UNO wrestling team just won it’s 3rd straight national title Saturday night and now is done, football looks like it’s played it’s last game.
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uno can say it's about rising costs - but dropping football is about greasing the wheels with the board of regents...
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Dropping football will save them a ton of cash though, and since they lost money on football and made money on hockey they have a pretty damn good argument there.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:uno can say it's about rising costs - but dropping football is about greasing the wheels with the board of regents...
The cost of moving from D2 to D1 football is almost as bad as going FCS to FBS...without the potential bowl pay outs and 750K pay day games.
Wrestling is what I'm shocked about.
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i know it's expensive... but i really do think that, in both cases, it was a sop to the regents.clenz wrote:Dropping football will save them a ton of cash though, and since they lost money on football and made money on hockey they have a pretty damn good argument there.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:uno can say it's about rising costs - but dropping football is about greasing the wheels with the board of regents...
The cost of moving from D2 to D1 football is almost as bad as going FCS to FBS...without the potential bowl pay outs and 750K pay day games.
Wrestling is what I'm shocked about.
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I won't deny that the BOR angle played a part of it, but the cost of it is a big part.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:i know it's expensive... but i really do think that, in both cases, it was a sop to the regents.clenz wrote: Dropping football will save them a ton of cash though, and since they lost money on football and made money on hockey they have a pretty damn good argument there.
The cost of moving from D2 to D1 football is almost as bad as going FCS to FBS...without the potential bowl pay outs and 750K pay day games.
Wrestling is what I'm shocked about.
UNI's athletic budget is one of the smallest in the MVC/MVCF (which makes our success even more impressive really). Our football expenses each year is about 2.5 million dollars and our total athletic budget is about 13 million.
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I can't find a report for division two schools but I'd imagine the UNI's athletic budget and football budget blow UNO out of the water. The cost of added womens scholarships as well is going to be added into that. I guess wrestling would eat up a lot of schollies compared to adding soccer and golf (which I've heard they are going to do).
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Oh I remember how much more it would be. I railed against NDSU moving up for that very reason - I was a student when we committed to the move up. (happy to have been wrong about that)
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Here is a break down from bleacher report (yes I know every seems to hate BR) but it is pretty good.
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The NCAA imposed a moratorium until 2010 on any schools starting the upgrade process to move up to Division I. The stated reason was to reconsider the rules a school will follow to become or remain a member of Division I.
In the past, the NCAA has tried to use other criteria to force financially underperforming universities down to a less expensive level of competition.
In the 1990s, the NCAA insisted any schools who wanted to play football at the IA (now called FBS) level had to have a stadium that seated 30,000. A number of schools proceeded to gather funds to do costly stadium upgrades to 30,000. In many cases, like Buffalo, EMU, and UNT, these stadium uprgades had the net result of discouraging fan attendance. Several schools were forced to drop football.
In the 2000s, the NCAA had a rule requiring schools to maintain a multi-year average of 15,000. A number of schools failed to meet these requirements, including a couple that generally draw season averages high above this threshhold.
Presumeably, the NCAA has not enforced these rules due to the number of schools they would be throwing out of the FBS level. Presumably, the seemingly unenforcable nature of this rule is what has lead to the moritorium on all moves.
It is very conceiveable, if not likely, the next threshold the NCAA may impose to keep teams that lack the financial support to play at the FBS level out of the FBS classification may be based on athletic budgets.
For fans of the business side of collegiate sports, that is an excuse to pour over the athletic budgets of division I schools and reach some conclusions!
Are you ready for some football...budgets?
(All numbers are from 2007. I didn't list them all out, as the numbers are far less important than the approximate ballpark. In general, most schools stay in the same approximate ballpark from year to year, but some schools do spike up in some years and some are unequivocally expanding their athletic budgets like UNT, UTSA, Texas State, and one or two other Sun Belt schools.)
BCS tier athletic budgets in this spoilerThis is where non-BCS FBS schools start en masse.
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I think looking at the above the idea that pops into my mind is how much is membership in a BCS conference worth? Specifically, in terms of increased TV revenue, bowl payouts, increased visitor attendance by being in a conference of haves...What dollar value does that equate to? $5 million? $10 million? More?
I look at the bottom 10-12 BCS schools and wonder if the rest of their leagues would love to kick most of them out if they had a clear path to it. (Obviously, not Northwestern, Colorado, WSU, or FSU, but the rest...?) What would the budget of those schools look like in lesser conferences? $30 million? Less?
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Finally the athletic budgets of non-football playing IAAA schools
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While stadium availabilty is obviously the final arbitrar, with 60 IAAA schools with budgets over $8 million and 21 with budgets over $12 million, it is easy to envision a lot of these schools adding football one day soon.
One of the most glaring is Wichita State. They have an enrollment of 15,000 and have a 30,000-seat Cessna Football Stadium being wasted on track. They could likely support football, could pay the budget shortfall for football and the matching women's scholarships, and don't really have a lot of local competition for the public's entertainment dollars.
Additionally, they have the MVFC—one of the elite FCS conferences—waiting for them and are near a host of OOC team at the FBS level as well as at the top of the DII level who could travel fans.
The VCU situation practically makes my brain bleed so I am going to leave that alone.
Lamar is glaring. With a 2007 budget of $4.4 million, a stadium seating 17,500 , a small DMA, no inviting FBS conference, and an enrollment of 13,000, on the surface the idea of jumping to FBS seems daunting.
But Lamar has some things in its favor. The region is football crazy. Since talks of football have gone around Lamar's enrollment has gone (back) up by about 3,000. There was talk of this being the kind of situation where FBS football might push university enrollment growth, and that does seem to be what has occurred. Students voted en masse to pay athletic fees to get football back at Lamar.
The 79 percent to 21 percent results speaks volumes about student body support. At the time of the vote, it was estimated the fee would raise $2 million for the reinstatement of football. I think the number may end up being closer to $3.5 million when 2011 rolls around, bringing the budget to about $8 million.
That may not be enough to get them over any new NCAA upgrade thresholds based off budget, but it will get them into the upper half of southland budgets. With a totally rebuilt stadium ($20 million renovation). If Lamar enrollment hits say 15,000 by 2015, that could add another $500,000 to their budget under that athletic fee.
If their students decide to bump up the athletic fee to the Texas maximum of $20 at that point, with an enrollment of 15,000 that would yield another $5 million for an FBS budget of about $14 million. That is a ton more viable at the FBS level than ULM.
One other item to note. Lamar is a member of the Texas State system, which means student fee increases go to the board governing the Texas State system. Unlike schools in the UT system like UTPA or UTA, they won't have UT politics leading to delays or an outright rejection of any student approved athletic fee increase. UT may not want any large Texas publics taking up FBS football. On the other hand, Texas State, as the largest member university in the Texas State system, can use more FBS members as they need a conference home. SHSU is also a member of the TS system.
With the exception of UNO, the last seven schools hit me as DII schools in disguise. Perhaps it says something very pointed about IAAA status. Maybe part of the requirements of IAAA/FCS should require a minimum of a $5 million budget? For FBS schools $15 million minus bodybag game payouts? Could that be where the NCAA might be heading?
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From the Omaha World article...
I am shocked wrestling is gone but it usually seems to be the first program gone at most schools. I'm glad NDSU's program is fully endowed, that is basically the only way to guarantee it will be safe in tough times.
UNO in the MVFC was an impossibility, if they wanted to be competitive they were probably looking at losing $2.5 million a year. Now they can focus on pumping money into hockey, basketball and baseball instead of being stretched way too thin trying to make football work.Requiring large numbers of participants, football is by far the department's most expensive program, its budget currently exceeding revenues it generates by $1.3 million, Alberts said.
I am shocked wrestling is gone but it usually seems to be the first program gone at most schools. I'm glad NDSU's program is fully endowed, that is basically the only way to guarantee it will be safe in tough times.
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To even start to be competeive in football UNO would have had to double that football budget and hope recruits no longer pick NWMS, UNI, SDSU, NSDU, the Minnesota D2's and USD over them. That wasn't going to happenFargoBison wrote:From the Omaha World article...
UNO in the MVFC was an impossibility, if they wanted to be competitive they were probably looking at losing $2.5 million a year. Now they can focus on pumping money into hockey, basketball and baseball instead of being stretched way too thin trying to make football work.Requiring large numbers of participants, football is by far the department's most expensive program, its budget currently exceeding revenues it generates by $1.3 million, Alberts said.
I am shocked wrestling is gone but it usually seems to be the first program gone at most schools. I'm glad NDSU's program is fully endowed, that is basically the only way to guarantee it will be safe in tough times.
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Not to mention battling Nebraska for any in state D1 prospects. It's a shame they couldnt at least keep wrestling. They won the last 3 D-2 National titles and now they won't have a program next year.clenz wrote:To even start to be competeive in football UNO would have had to double that football budget and hope recruits no longer pick NWMS, UNI, SDSU, NSDU, the Minnesota D2's and USD over them. That wasn't going to happenFargoBison wrote:From the Omaha World article...
UNO in the MVFC was an impossibility, if they wanted to be competitive they were probably looking at losing $2.5 million a year. Now they can focus on pumping money into hockey, basketball and baseball instead of being stretched way too thin trying to make football work.
I am shocked wrestling is gone but it usually seems to be the first program gone at most schools. I'm glad NDSU's program is fully endowed, that is basically the only way to guarantee it will be safe in tough times.
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they were already non-compliant with Title IX they added soccer and golf (why?) and are now cutting two of their more popular sports...Thundering Herd wrote:Not to mention battling Nebraska for any in state D1 prospects. It's a shame they couldnt at least keep wrestling. They won the last 3 D-2 National titles and now they won't have a program next year.clenz wrote:To even start to be competeive in football UNO would have had to double that football budget and hope recruits no longer pick NWMS, UNI, SDSU, NSDU, the Minnesota D2's and USD over them. That wasn't going to happen
i guess hockey is where they are putting their eggs... and paying huge rents for the Qwest Center... but Trev Alberts probably should have stayed at ESPN...
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They added golf because it is dirt cheap, players provide their own equipment and the Summit doesn't really care if you just fund one or two scholarships. I think soccer was added because they want to be like Creighton and a few other urban Summit schools that have men's soccer. Soccer is also fairly cheap.
They also wanted compete in more Summit men's sports than just three, adding soccer and golf were the easiest additions that didn't require adding women's scholarships/teams.
It seems like their AD has a beef with the wrestling coach, supposedly he had always been dead set against going DI and that created some friction. It also seemed like he thought they wouldn't be successful in DI because their budget wasn't big enough. The program clearly could have been kept, it just wasn't in the AD's DI plans I guess. Sucks for the coach and student athletes.
They also wanted compete in more Summit men's sports than just three, adding soccer and golf were the easiest additions that didn't require adding women's scholarships/teams.
It seems like their AD has a beef with the wrestling coach, supposedly he had always been dead set against going DI and that created some friction. It also seemed like he thought they wouldn't be successful in DI because their budget wasn't big enough. The program clearly could have been kept, it just wasn't in the AD's DI plans I guess. Sucks for the coach and student athletes.
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I may have missed this, but did they make the official announcement? And when is the move?
When they released new logos they had the Summit League on the splash.
When they released new logos they had the Summit League on the splash.
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"Finally the athletic budgets of non-football playing IAAA schools"
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The UN board approved it last week. They'll start the process of moving to D-I in July 2011dgreco wrote:I may have missed this, but did they make the official announcement? And when is the move?
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Sorry to see the football and wrestling programs dropped. It was a good place for the local Omaha kids to go to school and play football, but you need more than the locals to compete in FCS. The hockey landscape is changing too with the Big Ten Hockey Conference on the horizon. There will be a new spark in the rivalry between Creighton and UNO in many sports. UNO could develope their baseball program too, being they are home of the college world series.
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true, one of the few places where this any appetite at all for college baseball...Gil Dobie wrote:Sorry to see the football and wrestling programs dropped. It was a good place for the local Omaha kids to go to school and play football, but you need more than the locals to compete in FCS. The hockey landscape is changing too with the Big Ten Hockey Conference on the horizon. There will be a new spark in the rivalry between Creighton and UNO in many sports. UNO could develope their baseball program too, being they are home of the college world series.
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