Voter Photo ID, Minnesota.........

[native]

I just reviewed this thread again and I still haven't heard an argument that makes any sense as to why showing a picture id to vote has a down side. I'm sorry, but bogus rumors of consequences just don't cut it. If voters aren't informed enough to know the rules, how are they informed enough to vote?

BTW - I voted absentee when I was in college, because my parents home was my official residence. If someone is smart enough to be in college, they are smart enough to either change their drivers license or apply for an absentee ballot.

[bandl]

If you get intimidated by little old women and crotchety old men trying to veryify that you are who you say you are, then I really don't want you being involved in the voting process to begin with, ya damn pussy.

[native]

...Jesus Christ, now you sound just as bad as Native...

fu my friend

... And these motherfuckers that move and don't get their ID changed aren't smart enough to be allowed to vote anyways.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

I just reviewed this thread again and I still haven't heard an argument that makes any sense as to why showing a picture id to vote has a down side. I'm sorry, but bogus rumors of consequences just don't cut it. If voters aren't informed enough to know the rules, how are they informed enough to vote?

BTW - I voted absentee when I was in college, because my parents home was my official residence. If someone is smart enough to be in college, they are smart enough to either change their drivers license or apply for an absentee ballot.

the reason is simple - you already have to prove who you are to register to vote. you then sign the voter roll, affirming you are who you say you are, under penalty of perjury. there is no need to do it. it further complicates matters and provides a disincentive and added hassle for those who are attempting to vote.

[LeadBolt]

I just reviewed this thread again and I still haven't heard an argument that makes any sense as to why showing a picture id to vote has a down side. I'm sorry, but bogus rumors of consequences just don't cut it. If voters aren't informed enough to know the rules, how are they informed enough to vote?

BTW - I voted absentee when I was in college, because my parents home was my official residence. If someone is smart enough to be in college, they are smart enough to either change their drivers license or apply for an absentee ballot.

the reason is simple - you already have to prove who you are to register to vote. you then sign the voter roll, affirming you are who you say you are, under penalty of perjury. there is no need to do it. it further complicates matters and provides a disincentive and added hassle for those who are attempting to vote.

I disagree that this is a hassle and provides a disincentive to vote, any more than it does to buy a drink in a bar...

[TwinTownBisonFan]

If you get intimidated by little old women and crotchety old men trying to veryify that you are who you say you are, then I really don't want you being involved in the voting process to begin with, ya damn pussy.

and you've never been in polling location with tea party "volunteers" screaming at room full of Somali immigrants that they all "had better prove they are Americans" to him before they could cast their ballots - despite the fact that each of them was a citizen and registered to vote already in the precinct.

while polling locations in many places are, as you say, staffed by old ladies and grumpy old men... increasingly, especially in 2010... the locations were staffed by people with limited understanding of the actual laws, and a very serious agenda. I spent a fair amount of election day 2010 running between polling stations in St. Paul fighting with "poll watchers" who were challenging voters left and right, with no basis for doing so (the watcher has to KNOW that person is ineligible, not just guess) the point of the challenges wasn't to "verify propriety" it was to create long lines and confusion so that voters would give up and go back to work. and, shockingly... the challenges were almost all of non-white voters.

[LeadBolt]

If you get intimidated by little old women and crotchety old men trying to veryify that you are who you say you are, then I really don't want you being involved in the voting process to begin with, ya damn pussy.

and you've never been in polling location with tea party "volunteers" screaming at room full of Somali immigrants that they all "had better prove they are Americans" to him before they could cast their ballots - despite the fact that each of them was a citizen and registered to vote already in the precinct.

while polling locations in many places are, as you say, staffed by old ladies and grumpy old men... increasingly, especially in 2010... the locations were staffed by people with limited understanding of the actual laws, and a very serious agenda. I spent a fair amount of election day 2010 running between polling stations in St. Paul fighting with "poll watchers" who were challenging voters left and right, with no basis for doing so(the watcher has to KNOW that person is ineligible, not just guess) the point of the challenges wasn't to "verify propriety" it was to create long lines and confusion so that voters would give up and go back to work. and, shockingly... the challenges were almost all of non-white voters.

You are correct. I have voted in multiple locations in VA, GA and MD, as well as in NC and have never witnessed anything even remotely like this. It is hard to believe that MN is that different.

[Baldy]

and you've never been in polling location with tea party "volunteers" screaming at room full of Somali immigrants that they all "had better prove they are Americans" to him before they could cast their ballots - despite the fact that each of them was a citizen and registered to vote already in the precinct.

while polling locations in many places are, as you say, staffed by old ladies and grumpy old men... increasingly, especially in 2010... the locations were staffed by people with limited understanding of the actual laws, and a very serious agenda. I spent a fair amount of election day 2010 running between polling stations in St. Paul fighting with "poll watchers" who were challenging voters left and right, with no basis for doing so(the watcher has to KNOW that person is ineligible, not just guess) the point of the challenges wasn't to "verify propriety" it was to create long lines and confusion so that voters would give up and go back to work. and, shockingly... the challenges were almost all of non-white voters.

You are correct. I have voted in multiple locations in VA, GA and MD, as well as in NC and have never witnessed anything even remotely like this. It is hard to believe that MN is that different.

Ummm, you're talking about the state that elected Jesse Ventura governor and Al Franken to the Senate.

[LeadBolt]

You are correct. I have voted in multiple locations in VA, GA and MD, as well as in NC and have never witnessed anything even remotely like this. It is hard to believe that MN is that different.

Ummm, you're talking about the state that elected Jesse Ventura governor and Al Franken to the Senate.

True. Perhaps I have given MN too much credit, but I was led to believe their women are all strong, their men are all good looking and their children are all above average... Did NPR get that wrong???

[Baldy]

Ummm, you're talking about the state that elected Jesse Ventura governor and Al Franken to the Senate.

True. Perhaps I have given MN too much credit, but I was led to believe their women are all strong, their men are all good looking and their children are all above average... Did NPR get that wrong???

Horribly wrong. After all, Cap'n Cat does live in Minnesota.

[AZGrizFan]

Well, it took 4 pages, but this thread finally went off the rails.

[CID1990]

If you get intimidated by little old women and crotchety old men trying to veryify that you are who you say you are, then I really don't want you being involved in the voting process to begin with, ya damn pussy.

and you've never been in polling location with tea party "volunteers" screaming at room full of Somali immigrants that they all "had better prove they are Americans" to him before they could cast their ballots - despite the fact that each of them was a citizen and registered to vote already in the precinct.

while polling locations in many places are, as you say, staffed by old ladies and grumpy old men... increasingly, especially in 2010... the locations were staffed by people with limited understanding of the actual laws, and a very serious agenda. I spent a fair amount of election day 2010 running between polling stations in St. Paul fighting with "poll watchers" who were challenging voters left and right, with no basis for doing so (the watcher has to KNOW that person is ineligible, not just guess) the point of the challenges wasn't to "verify propriety" it was to create long lines and confusion so that voters would give up and go back to work. and, shockingly... the challenges were almost all of non-white voters.

And if all of those poor Somalis had walked in with voter ID cards at the position of present arms, your fantasy situation would still have occurred how?

[Cap'n Cat]

and you've never been in polling location with tea party "volunteers" screaming at room full of Somali immigrants that they all "had better prove they are Americans" to him before they could cast their ballots - despite the fact that each of them was a citizen and registered to vote already in the precinct.

while polling locations in many places are, as you say, staffed by old ladies and grumpy old men... increasingly, especially in 2010... the locations were staffed by people with limited understanding of the actual laws, and a very serious agenda. I spent a fair amount of election day 2010 running between polling stations in St. Paul fighting with "poll watchers" who were challenging voters left and right, with no basis for doing so (the watcher has to KNOW that person is ineligible, not just guess) the point of the challenges wasn't to "verify propriety" it was to create long lines and confusion so that voters would give up and go back to work. and, shockingly... the challenges were almost all of non-white voters.

And if all of those poor Somalis had walked in with voter ID cards at the position of present arms, your fantasy situation would still have occurred how?

Nice. It's always the niqqers, ain't it, CID?

[AZGrizFan]

And if all of those poor Somalis had walked in with voter ID cards at the position of present arms, your fantasy situation would still have occurred how?

Nice. It's always the niqqers, ain't it, CID?

Blame TTBF...he's the one who brought them up first.

[citdog]

sounds to me like the justice dept NEEDS TO GET THE HELL OUT OF SOUTHERN ELECTIONS, which they still interfere with through the voting rights act, and descend upon lily white minnesota.

[Cap'n Cat]

sounds to me like the justice dept NEEDS TO GET THE HELL OUT OF SOUTHERN ELECTIONS, which they still interfere with through the voting rights act, and descend upon lily white minnesota.

Minnesota skies over anything south of the Mason-Dixon, son.

[citdog]

sounds to me like the justice dept NEEDS TO GET THE HELL OUT OF SOUTHERN ELECTIONS, which they still interfere with through the voting rights act, and descend upon lily white minnesota.

Minnesota skies over anything south of the Mason-Dixon, son.

evidently keeping the darkys from voting too

[Cap'n Cat]

Minnesota skies over anything south of the Mason-Dixon, son.

evidently keeping the darkys from voting too

Minnesota loves its darkies, man. Adrian Peterson, Alan Page, Prince, Kirby Puckett.................

[GannonFan]

evidently keeping the darkys from voting too

Minnesota loves its darkies, man. Adrian Peterson, Alan Page, Prince, Kirby Puckett.................

Prince is whiter than you man. And really, how about Randy Moss? Darn Minnesotans ran him out of town. Even got cops to throw themselves in front of his car and then claiming he "ran" them over.

[CID1990]

And if all of those poor Somalis had walked in with voter ID cards at the position of present arms, your fantasy situation would still have occurred how?

Nice. It's always the niqqers, ain't it, CID?

Go paint somebody else with your brush, Fatboy.

Again (for the reading impaired and fat pothead loser Midwestern trolls)... would having voter ID cards have prevented TTBF's scenario? I think maybe so.

Imaginary old Tea Party screaming lady: "Prove you're eligible to vote!"

Poor downtrodden Somali: "Here's my card."

Imaginary old Tea Party screaming lady: "Here's your ballot."

If anything, this would prevent voter intimidation.

BY THE WAY TTBF... where was the media during all the yelling and screaming you were describing? Why didn't you take a phone video and shoot it up to MoveOn or HuffPo. I'm calling you out because I think you are full of sh!t on the incident you have been alluding to. There would have been people falling all over themselves to get that out there. Right now the Tea Party is being watched like a hot chick at a Dungeons and Dragons convention so your story doesn't hold water.

If you didn't video it then you are pretty lousy as a political operative as you claim to be.

(BTW I would like to see video... seriously, prove me wrong. If it happened then there has to be something out there. I want to see something other than poll volunteers politely asking for voter registrations.) I'll take back what I said about you as a lousy political operative.

[citdog]

Minnesota loves its darkies, man. Adrian Peterson, Alan Page, Prince, Kirby Puckett.................

Prince is whiter than you man. And really, how about Randy Moss? Darn Minnesotans ran him out of town. Even got cops to throw themselves in front of his car and then claiming he "ran" them over.

is it really any coincidence that minnesota and mississippi drink water out of the same river? minnesota is the NEW mississippi!

[Gil Dobie]

Vote Early and vote often

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Nice. It's always the niqqers, ain't it, CID?

Go paint somebody else with your brush, Fatboy.

Again (for the reading impaired and fat pothead loser Midwestern trolls)... would having voter ID cards have prevented TTBF's scenario? I think maybe so.

Imaginary old Tea Party screaming lady: "Prove you're eligible to vote!"

Poor downtrodden Somali: "Here's my card."

Imaginary old Tea Party screaming lady: "Here's your ballot."

If anything, this would prevent voter intimidation.

BY THE WAY TTBF... where was the media during all the yelling and screaming you were describing? Why didn't you take a phone video and shoot it up to MoveOn or HuffPo. I'm calling you out because I think you are full of sh!t on the incident you have been alluding to. There would have been people falling all over themselves to get that out there. Right now the Tea Party is being watched like a hot chick at a Dungeons and Dragons convention so your story doesn't hold water.

If you didn't video it then you are pretty lousy as a political operative as you claim to be.

(BTW I would like to see video... seriously, prove me wrong. If it happened then there has to be something out there. I want to see something other than poll volunteers politely asking for voter registrations.) I'll take back what I said about you as a lousy political operative.

1. you can't film or take photos in polling station. that's massively illegal, and rightly so. not everything needs to be caught on video. this was handled, calmly (eventually) and everyone moved on... the way i handled it, without escalating it needlessly, is what makes me a good operative, and it's part of why i've lasted.

2. this happened - i was there. i got the call, went to the polling station, walked in talked with the women who getting static, walked up to the election judge told her exactly who i was and why i was there, very calmly asked her why she was demanding photo id - and reminded her that the law does not compel such a thing without a formal challenge from a poll watcher - pulled out my cell phone and asked her if she would like to call the secretary of states office for clarification, or if she would allow this voter to vote. (the dem poll watcher was a very meek old lady who just stared at her shoes the whole time) she relented - didn't seem real happy about it... but let it go, and things went smoothly from then on...

3. on an average election day a campaign office will field about 200 calls for election protection 150 are bs, rumor and innuendo and 49 are minor scuffles like that one that can be resolved by simply having someone who knows the law and won't be intimidated show up at the polling place. it's 1 in 200 that rise to the level of even alerting the media - who get hundreds of bogus leads on e-day... and maybe one story in a thousand is worth covering. This wasn't worth covering, nor was it worth creating a media issue over... it was an incident in one polling station, and it was resolved reasonably amicably. not really a story there.

[BDKJMU]

Go paint somebody else with your brush, Fatboy.

Again (for the reading impaired and fat pothead loser Midwestern trolls)... would having voter ID cards have prevented TTBF's scenario? I think maybe so.

Imaginary old Tea Party screaming lady: "Prove you're eligible to vote!"

Poor downtrodden Somali: "Here's my card."

Imaginary old Tea Party screaming lady: "Here's your ballot."

If anything, this would prevent voter intimidation.

BY THE WAY TTBF... where was the media during all the yelling and screaming you were describing? Why didn't you take a phone video and shoot it up to MoveOn or HuffPo. I'm calling you out because I think you are full of sh!t on the incident you have been alluding to. There would have been people falling all over themselves to get that out there. Right now the Tea Party is being watched like a hot chick at a Dungeons and Dragons convention so your story doesn't hold water.

If you didn't video it then you are pretty lousy as a political operative as you claim to be.

(BTW I would like to see video... seriously, prove me wrong. If it happened then there has to be something out there. I want to see something other than poll volunteers politely asking for voter registrations.) I'll take back what I said about you as a lousy political operative.

1. you can't film or take photos in polling station. that's massively illegal, and rightly so. not everything needs to be caught on video. this was handled, calmly (eventually) and everyone moved on... the way i handled it, without escalating it needlessly, is what makes me a good operative, and it's part of why i've lasted.

2. this happened - i was there. i got the call, went to the polling station, walked in talked with the women who getting static, walked up to the election judge told her exactly who i was and why i was there, very calmly asked her why she was demanding photo id - and reminded her that the law does not compel such a thing without a formal challenge from a poll watcher - pulled out my cell phone and asked her if she would like to call the secretary of states office for clarification, or if she would allow this voter to vote. (the dem poll watcher was a very meek old lady who just stared at her shoes the whole time) she relented - didn't seem real happy about it... but let it go, and things went smoothly from then on...

3. on an average election day a campaign office will field about 200 calls for election protection 150 are bs, rumor and innuendo and 49 are minor scuffles like that one that can be resolved by simply having someone who knows the law and won't be intimidated show up at the polling place. it's 1 in 200 that rise to the level of even alerting the media - who get hundreds of bogus leads on e-day... and maybe one story in a thousand is worth covering. This wasn't worth covering, nor was it worth creating a media issue over... it was an incident in one polling station, and it was resolved reasonably amicably. not really a story there.

You love tooting your own horn don't you "Mr Operative"

[CID1990]

Go paint somebody else with your brush, Fatboy.

Again (for the reading impaired and fat pothead loser Midwestern trolls)... would having voter ID cards have prevented TTBF's scenario? I think maybe so.

Imaginary old Tea Party screaming lady: "Prove you're eligible to vote!"

Poor downtrodden Somali: "Here's my card."

Imaginary old Tea Party screaming lady: "Here's your ballot."

If anything, this would prevent voter intimidation.

BY THE WAY TTBF... where was the media during all the yelling and screaming you were describing? Why didn't you take a phone video and shoot it up to MoveOn or HuffPo. I'm calling you out because I think you are full of sh!t on the incident you have been alluding to. There would have been people falling all over themselves to get that out there. Right now the Tea Party is being watched like a hot chick at a Dungeons and Dragons convention so your story doesn't hold water.

If you didn't video it then you are pretty lousy as a political operative as you claim to be.

(BTW I would like to see video... seriously, prove me wrong. If it happened then there has to be something out there. I want to see something other than poll volunteers politely asking for voter registrations.) I'll take back what I said about you as a lousy political operative.

1. you can't film or take photos in polling station. that's massively illegal, and rightly so. not everything needs to be caught on video. this was handled, calmly (eventually) and everyone moved on... the way i handled it, without escalating it needlessly, is what makes me a good operative, and it's part of why i've lasted.

2. this happened - i was there. i got the call, went to the polling station, walked in talked with the women who getting static, walked up to the election judge told her exactly who i was and why i was there, very calmly asked her why she was demanding photo id - and reminded her that the law does not compel such a thing without a formal challenge from a poll watcher - pulled out my cell phone and asked her if she would like to call the secretary of states office for clarification, or if she would allow this voter to vote. (the dem poll watcher was a very meek old lady who just stared at her shoes the whole time) she relented - didn't seem real happy about it... but let it go, and things went smoothly from then on...

3. on an average election day a campaign office will field about 200 calls for election protection 150 are bs, rumor and innuendo and 49 are minor scuffles like that one that can be resolved by simply having someone who knows the law and won't be intimidated show up at the polling place. it's 1 in 200 that rise to the level of even alerting the media - who get hundreds of bogus leads on e-day... and maybe one story in a thousand is worth covering. This wasn't worth covering, nor was it worth creating a media issue over... it was an incident in one polling station, and it was resolved reasonably amicably. not really a story there.

Ok sounds credible.

Do you think that you would have had to intervene if the voters in question had been in possession of voter IDs? It seems to me that someone with one of those IDs would feel emboldened, not intimidated.

And I take back what I said about you being a lousy political operative. (But you're still a pinko liberal).