NCAA Remains Firm on UND/Nickname

[JBB]

[GeauxSioux]

Nice well reasoned, thought provoking response. I'm impressed.

[JBB]

Your lack of insight into an issue that has plauged UND for a generation certainly gives some hint at why it remains unresolved! What leverage do THEY have indeed!

[GeauxSioux]

Your lack of insight into an issue that has plauged UND for a generation certainly gives some hint at why it remains unresolved! What leverage do THEY have indeed!

So far we have 9 and still no response as to what leverage the Native Americans have over the NCAA.

[JBB]

Through the NCAA their grievances have been given a voice!

[GeauxSioux]

Through the NCAA their grievances have been given a voice!

I can agree with that, but it varies wildly from your first statement about the Native American's bringing pressure to bear over the NCAA. Don't you think?

[JBB]

The Native Americans and others have long been against the use of native american nascots/images for athletic teams. If they hadnt cared the NCAA wouldnt have cared. You personify the UND Problem GeauxSioux. You dont seem to understand whats going on? Its been an issue for an entire generation and you dont seem to understand why?

[GeauxSioux]

The Native Americans and others have long been against the use of native american nascots/images for athletic teams. If they hadnt cared the NCAA wouldnt have cared. You personify the UND Problem GeauxSioux. You dont seem to understand whats going on? Its been an issue for an entire generation and you dont seem to understand why?

You said...."The Native Americans brought pressure to bear on the NCAA forcing their hand on this issue."

I simply asked you to explain how the Native Americans applied pressure to the NCAA to force this issue and you can't. Which is fine, just admit and don't ROFL nine times in two posts, because you can't explain it.

[JBB]

[GeauxSioux]

Double post.

[GeauxSioux]

You're depth and maturity are truly amazing.

I'm so glad that I got to correspond with someone on a second grade level, but find that my time is going to be somewhat limited in the next few days and will not be able to participate further. Have fun at school tomorrow and don't forget to stay within the lines.

Cheers.

[JBB]

As far as I know UND is now on probation, or is it sanctioned, for not abiding by the policy concerning native american nicknames? I also understand the rule change concerning home playoff and hockey stands to hurt hockey?

[JBB]

The Governor says its in the NCAAs hands and UND is acting according to taw. The Gov. pleas was to have the NCAA reduce the sanctions. The sanctions are neutral jerseys, something Ive insisted UND wear when they play NDSU, and no home playoff games. It may even extend further with regards to hosting events.

[Wedgebuster]

The Native Americans and others have long been against the use of native american nascots/images for athletic teams. If they hadnt cared the NCAA wouldnt have cared. You personify the UND Problem GeauxSioux. You dont seem to understand whats going on? Its been an issue for an entire generation and you dont seem to understand why?

Spoken like a true liberal. Do these "Sioux" have legitimate birth certificates??

[JBB]

They have their own nation you know?

[JBB]

I think its a shame what UND has done with their nickname. Its been 30 years or so, maybe longer, and they still havent been able to make a deal to honor the Tribes. Why? They say they are honoring them but they must not be? That is the strangest thing I have ever seen.

After a generation or so you would think there would be some resolution. UND has ingnored the issue, stonewalled the issue, disrespected the issue, expanded the issue, hounded the issue, anything and everything they could do to the issue except settle it.

Of all things that is the most amazing about this. UND COULD NOT SETTLE!!

(See the obtuse comments from geauxsioux above for a hint a to why they couldnt settle)

[ccd494]

It must also make scheduling a pain in the ars because a lot of schools have policies where they won't play teams with hostile and abusive nicknames. Wisconsin, Minnesota for example.

Huh?

[JBB]

Even with the Big 10 hockey league starting up in 2012 some of those old rivalries may continue if the scheduling policies dont prohibit it. UND first scheduled the Gophers in 1929.

NDSU was the first school from North Dakota to schedule the Gophers in Hockey appearing on the schedule way back in 1925. NDSU had a regular series with them until the depression forced the cancellation of hockey at NDSU clearing the way for UND.

A group of state legislators has called for a review of the law requiring UND to use the hostile and abusive logo etc by the AGs office with regard to constitutionality. There is no question about the intentions of the NCAA: Sanctions, its less clear what other universities will do with non conference scheduling. There will be ramifications for sure.

[ccd494]

If UMTC and UW stop playing UND in hockey due to their nickname, I will buy you a house. As much as you hate it, UND has won 7 national titles in the NCAA's 3rd most important sport (behind FBS football and men's hoops). I think they'll be okay in hockey, even if they can't bid on regionals (your home ice scenario posted earlier won't happen- the bad attendance out west is just a function of silly awards to non-hockey cities. The East is fine with neutral sites in Manchester, Bridgeport, Albany, etc.).

[FargoBison]

UW does have a policy that forbids playing schools on the NCAA hostile and abusive list in non-conference, so I can see them not playing UND. Minnesota's policy seems to be a bit less defined, nobody including their AD seems to know just what will happen there.

As for the NCAA's third most important sport, you gotta be kidding me. Honestly I'd put it below baseball(way below) and on a level with the FCS.

[ccd494]

The NCAA makes money on three events: the men's basketball tournament, the men's hockey tournament, and the women's basketball tournament. If you decided, today, that you wanted to get tickets to the Frozen Four, you'd go into the lottery for 2013 and not have a prayer. You'd be looking at a 6/7 year wait before you've developed the seniority to have a chance.

Raw attendance numbers are roughly equal between Frozen Four games and the CWS, excepting the year the FF was held at Ford Field and dwarfed the CWS. The men's lax tournament, I would argue, is above the CWS (little attendance in first few rounds, 40,000+ in finals), but is not yet a money maker for the NCAA (low ticket prices, I am assuming). The NCAA makes no money (and actually loses money) on the FCS playoffs because of travel subsidies for entire football programs. There are fewer flights in the NCAA hockey tournament, as well as smaller teams. Plus, the one site regionals prevent, say, Colgate from flying to South Carolina and then next week flying again to Montana.

[JBB]

The Gophers will certainly follow the policy of not scheduling or playing schools non conference with hostile and abusive nicknames. UW I dont know.

Here is a a review of some ramifications of the new state law:

Since UND is not eligible for NCAA postseason play in all sports but hockey for the upcoming year, the 2011-12 season is relatively manageable for the department. But there will be challenges, starting with women’s hockey.

“If women’s hockey is a top-four seed for the first-round (NCAA) playoff games next season, and they were knocking on the door this past season, they potentially would be the first team to be impacted by the inability to host a game on home ice,” Faison said.

Recruiting in all sports could be affected, as schools may use the NCAA sanctions against UND to their advantage.

Scheduling is another issue. One of the perks of the move to Division I in 2007 was the thought of scheduling Minnesota in more than just hockey.

”Minnesota did pull back on a cross country meet in the fall,” Faison said. “And we’ve been discussing future football scheduling (with Minnesota). But they’ve pulled back that discussion for now. They’re in a holding pattern. They don’t want to commit to anything until everything is sorted out here.”

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If hockey is the big deal then its time to the NCAA enforced the niche rule and stopped letting the sport be populated by lower division schools playing D1 hockey. That rule is for minor sports only. It was not intended for that rule to allow D2 and D3 schools to play a major D1 sport.

[FargoBison]

Your first mistake was basing that on revenue, the NCAA only makes 9% of their overall revenue from tournaments and by far the bulk of that 9% comes from the NCAA basketball tournament. The revenue that the Frozen Four makes is a probably a fraction of a percent in terms of everything the NCAA takes in. The vast majority of the NCAA revenue comes from TV contracts.

The college world series has about 10 times the television coverage that college hockey gets. College hockey is like the FCS and is a red headed step child in the eyes of ESPN.

[GeauxSioux]

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/rep-al ... ioux-bill/

[JBB]

Big Deal. Who made you a kindergarten associate instructor in charge of raincoats?