over/under on next terrorist attack on U.S. soil

[D1B]

We represent the ultimate in hedonism to them. Period. Capitalism is BAD.

I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument that they hate our freedom. Again, why are they not attacking Australia, or other "Christian, Capitalist nations?" I honestly think Osama could care less about Islam, that's just a vehicle for his main objective.

You're wrong about OBL. You're right about US military presence in SA triggering 9/11. You're wrong about them not hating our "life style" and freedoms - it's very threatening to them and their culture.

The fundamental problem there is religious fundamentalism not so much American thirst for oil. Oil comes into play in that it ironically acts as an emulsifier that binds royal families and mullahs. Mullahs keep quiet about oil revenue and let these families essentially run the government and keep most of the cash, conversly royal families promise to base said government on islamic law thus making the mullahs happy and powerful themselves. This alliance ensures a populace that is stupid and poor. It is also failing. The middle east was once the pinnacle of civilization and produced some of the greatest minds who ever lived. They are now in the dark ages, even with all that oil wealth. They hate american culture but fear it more because it threatens the above alliance. People living on goat piss and bullet casings now can see prosperity via technology. They see what is possible and they are getting screwed. They see Israel prosper right across the fence. With massive overpopulation in that region of the world, this is a powderkeg.

How do they do it? How do they keep hundreds of millions of people from revolting? Simple answer - Palestine. As long as they can direct their anger at something outside, whether it be american hedonism, christianity, judaism - this is all encapsulated in the Palestinian issue - they are safe from revolution. Peace in Palestine would ironically destablinze the entire middle east. And that's why you rarely see arab nations actively involved in the peace process, and unfortunatley they are the only ones who can make it happen.

[D1B]

I can't believe I'm typing this but, the primary reason that we will not see another major attack anytime soon is because, like the means or not, Bush scared the fukcing shit out those towel heads. Those motherfukcers now think twice before fukcing with us, that's why they bomb Spain and shit. They now know, if they get caught, not only are they in deep shit, but most likely their country of origin is fukced too, unless they're from Saudi Arabia.

Bush fukced us over big time, but he did put the middle east on notice.

The question is really, was it worth it. IMO, no, but it did make great TV.

[ASUMountaineer]

I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument that they hate our freedom. Again, why are they not attacking Australia, or other "Christian, Capitalist nations?" I honestly think Osama could care less about Islam, that's just a vehicle for his main objective.

You're wrong about OBL. You're right about US military presence in SA triggering 9/11. You're wrong about them not hating our "life style" and freedoms - it's very threatening to them and their culture.

The fundamental problem there is religious fundamentalism not so much American thirst for oil. Oil comes into play in that it ironically acts as an emulsifier that binds royal families and mullahs. Mullahs keep quiet about oil revenue and let these families essentially run the government and keep most of the cash, conversly royal families promise to base said government on islamic law thus making the mullahs happy and powerful themselves. This alliance ensures a populace that is stupid and poor. It is also failing. The middle east was once the pinnacle of civilization and produced some of the greatest minds who ever lived. They are now in the dark ages, even with all that oil wealth. They hate american culture but fear it more because it threatens the above alliance. People living on goat piss and bullet casings now can see prosperity via technology. They see what is possible and they are getting screwed. They see Israel prosper right across the fence. With massive overpopulation in that region of the world, this is a powderkeg.

How do they do it? How do they keep hundreds of millions of people from revolting? Simple answer - Palestine. As long as they can direct their anger at something outside, whether it be american hedonism, christianity, judaism - this is all encapsulated in the Palestinian issue - they are safe from revolution. Peace in Palestine would ironically destablinze the entire middle east. And that's why you rarely see arab nations actively involved in the peace process, and unfortunatley they are the only ones who can make it happen.

Oh, I'm not saying they DON'T hate our lifestyle, but I think our presence there is the greatest motivator. Especially, factoring in, their hate for our lifestyle...it is now very close because we're there. I think it ultimately comes back to us being in their back yard. I still don't think Osama is concerned with holy war, except as a means to achieve his objective. He's after bringing down a power he sees as a threat which is located close to his homeland.

[D1B]

You're wrong about OBL. You're right about US military presence in SA triggering 9/11. You're wrong about them not hating our "life style" and freedoms - it's very threatening to them and their culture.

The fundamental problem there is religious fundamentalism not so much American thirst for oil. Oil comes into play in that it ironically acts as an emulsifier that binds royal families and mullahs. Mullahs keep quiet about oil revenue and let these families essentially run the government and keep most of the cash, conversly royal families promise to base said government on islamic law thus making the mullahs happy and powerful themselves. This alliance ensures a populace that is stupid and poor. It is also failing. The middle east was once the pinnacle of civilization and produced some of the greatest minds who ever lived. They are now in the dark ages, even with all that oil wealth. They hate american culture but fear it more because it threatens the above alliance. People living on goat piss and bullet casings now can see prosperity via technology. They see what is possible and they are getting screwed. They see Israel prosper right across the fence. With massive overpopulation in that region of the world, this is a powderkeg.

How do they do it? How do they keep hundreds of millions of people from revolting? Simple answer - Palestine. As long as they can direct their anger at something outside, whether it be american hedonism, christianity, judaism - this is all encapsulated in the Palestinian issue - they are safe from revolution. Peace in Palestine would ironically destablinze the entire middle east. And that's why you rarely see arab nations actively involved in the peace process, and unfortunatley they are the only ones who can make it happen.

Oh, I'm not saying they DON'T hate our lifestyle, but I think our presence there is the greatest motivator. Especially, factoring in, their hate for our lifestyle...it is now very close because we're there. I think it ultimately comes back to us being in their back yard. I still don't think Osama is concerned with holy war, except as a means to achieve his objective. He's after bringing down a power he sees as a threat which is located close to his homeland.

Agree.

[AZGrizFan]

You're wrong about OBL. You're right about US military presence in SA triggering 9/11. You're wrong about them not hating our "life style" and freedoms - it's very threatening to them and their culture.

The fundamental problem there is religious fundamentalism not so much American thirst for oil. Oil comes into play in that it ironically acts as an emulsifier that binds royal families and mullahs. Mullahs keep quiet about oil revenue and let these families essentially run the government and keep most of the cash, conversly royal families promise to base said government on islamic law thus making the mullahs happy and powerful themselves. This alliance ensures a populace that is stupid and poor. It is also failing. The middle east was once the pinnacle of civilization and produced some of the greatest minds who ever lived. They are now in the dark ages, even with all that oil wealth. They hate american culture but fear it more because it threatens the above alliance. People living on goat piss and bullet casings now can see prosperity via technology. They see what is possible and they are getting screwed. They see Israel prosper right across the fence. With massive overpopulation in that region of the world, this is a powderkeg.

How do they do it? How do they keep hundreds of millions of people from revolting? Simple answer - Palestine. As long as they can direct their anger at something outside, whether it be american hedonism, christianity, judaism - this is all encapsulated in the Palestinian issue - they are safe from revolution. Peace in Palestine would ironically destablinze the entire middle east. And that's why you rarely see arab nations actively involved in the peace process, and unfortunatley they are the only ones who can make it happen.

Oh, I'm not saying they DON'T hate our lifestyle, but I think our presence there is the greatest motivator. Especially, factoring in, their hate for our lifestyle...it is now very close because we're there. I think it ultimately comes back to us being in their back yard. I still don't think Osama is concerned with holy war, except as a means to achieve his objective. He's after bringing down a power he sees as a threat which is located close to his homeland.

Bin Laden's sole objective was to goad America into war. Mission accomplished.

[AshevilleApp]

I'm not sure who and I'm not sure when, but I think it is very likely that there will be future terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Whether it's crazy fundamentalist Muslims, or crazy anti-government ex-servicemen from our own country.

I'd rather take my chances on surviving any future attack than live day to day under a system oppressive enough to stop them. We've got a good thing in this country, we shouldn't allow fear to cause us to lose it.

[D1B]

I'm not sure who and I'm not sure when, but I think it is very likely that there will be future terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Whether it's crazy fundamentalist Muslims, or crazy anti-government ex-servicemen from our own country.

I'd rather take my chances on surviving any future attack than live day to day under a system oppressive enough to stop them. We've got a good thing in this country, we shouldn't allow fear to cause us to lose it.

Amen.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm not sure who and I'm not sure when, but I think it is very likely that there will be future terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Whether it's crazy fundamentalist Muslims, or crazy anti-government ex-servicemen from our own country.

I'd rather take my chances on surviving any future attack than live day to day under a system oppressive enough to stop them. We've got a good thing in this country, we shouldn't allow fear to cause us to lose it.

Amen.

I feel oppressed.

The DRAMA is hilarious.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument that they hate our freedom. Again, why are they not attacking Australia, or other "Christian, Capitalist nations?" I honestly think Osama could care less about Islam, that's just a vehicle for his main objective.

You're wrong about OBL. You're right about US military presence in SA triggering 9/11. You're wrong about them not hating our "life style" and freedoms - it's very threatening to them and their culture.

The fundamental problem there is religious fundamentalism not so much American thirst for oil. Oil comes into play in that it ironically acts as an emulsifier that binds royal families and mullahs. Mullahs keep quiet about oil revenue and let these families essentially run the government and keep most of the cash, conversly royal families promise to base said government on islamic law thus making the mullahs happy and powerful themselves. This alliance ensures a populace that is stupid and poor. It is also failing. The middle east was once the pinnacle of civilization and produced some of the greatest minds who ever lived. They are now in the dark ages, even with all that oil wealth. They hate american culture but fear it more because it threatens the above alliance. People living on goat piss and bullet casings now can see prosperity via technology. They see what is possible and they are getting screwed. They see Israel prosper right across the fence. With massive overpopulation in that region of the world, this is a powderkeg.

How do they do it? How do they keep hundreds of millions of people from revolting? Simple answer - Palestine. As long as they can direct their anger at something outside, whether it be american hedonism, christianity, judaism - this is all encapsulated in the Palestinian issue - they are safe from revolution. Peace in Palestine would ironically destablinze the entire middle east. And that's why you rarely see arab nations actively involved in the peace process, and unfortunatley they are the only ones who can make it happen.

Who are you, and what have you done with D1B?

[AshevilleApp]

Amen.

I feel oppressed.

The DRAMA is hilarious.

I think you missed the point big boy, but that's cool.

[AZGrizFan]

I feel oppressed.

The DRAMA is hilarious.

I think you missed the point big boy, but that's cool.

No, I don't think I did. Our system is HARDLY oppressive.

[AshevilleApp]

I think you missed the point big boy, but that's cool.

No, I don't think I did. Our system is HARDLY oppressive.

Yes you did. Re-read my post. I wasn't critical of the steps taken to date, although some of them do go to far in my opinion. I'm just saying that to totally remove the chance of a terrorist attack, we would have to have a totalitarian regime that would be worse than the attack itself.

[ASUMountaineer]

Oh, I'm not saying they DON'T hate our lifestyle, but I think our presence there is the greatest motivator. Especially, factoring in, their hate for our lifestyle...it is now very close because we're there. I think it ultimately comes back to us being in their back yard. I still don't think Osama is concerned with holy war, except as a means to achieve his objective. He's after bringing down a power he sees as a threat which is located close to his homeland.

Bin Laden's sole objective was to goad America into war. Mission accomplished.

That sounds like terrorists dictating our foreign policy. You better start packing.