TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Except that Harmon didn't use chaw...AZGrizFan wrote:Esophageal cancer.....chewing tobacco.....connection?
Harmon is a Mormon, so no tobacco, no alcohol, no caffeine... (he does endorse a brand of root beer that is very popular at Target Field - but I suspect there is no link between that and esophageal cancer)
I think you can replace Bruno with Mauer at this point - the batting titles and the MVP cover it.DJH wrote:Mauer and Morneau both have MVPs. That alone almost has to put them on the list, even this early in their careers. How many on your list have won an MVP with the Twins?TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
1. Killebrew
2. Carew
3. Oliva
4. Puckett
5. Blyleven
6. Hrbek
7. Santana
8. Viola
9. Gaetti
10. Brunansky
maybe some movement on 8-10 some other names like Allison, Molitor, Reardon, Nathan, Mauer and Morneau to be considered...
Jesus...one shithouse-luck season that he hasn't come CLOSE to matching before or since and he's top 10 ALL TIME in that organization???TwinTownBisonFan wrote:I think you can replace Bruno with Mauer at this point - the batting titles and the MVP cover it.DJH wrote:
Mauer and Morneau both have MVPs. That alone almost has to put them on the list, even this early in their careers. How many on your list have won an MVP with the Twins?
However, Zoilio Versailles has an MVP for the Twins, but I wouldn't make him a top 10.
Are you serious? Are we talking about the same player? Joe Mauer, multiple time batting champ, gold glove winner, and MVP?AZGrizFan wrote:Jesus...one shithouse-luck season that he hasn't come CLOSE to matching before or since and he's top 10 ALL TIME in that organization???TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
I think you can replace Bruno with Mauer at this point - the batting titles and the MVP cover it.
However, Zoilio Versailles has an MVP for the Twins, but I wouldn't make him a top 10.
I have this discussion with Z three or four times a summer.DJH wrote:Are you serious? Are we talking about the same player? Joe Mauer, multiple time batting champ, gold glove winner, and MVP?AZGrizFan wrote:
Jesus...one shithouse-luck season that he hasn't come CLOSE to matching before or since and he's top 10 ALL TIME in that organization???
drrrr
a) You're a little right about the fantasy league thing....and none of the meaningless stats you quote apply in fantasy leaguesclenz wrote:You're just butt hurt because you took Mauer in a fantasy league thinking he would get you 25 home runs last season, and he didn't....yet he put up .327 BA, .402 OBP, .469 Slugging, .871 OPS, he was an All-Star, won the AL Gold Glove for the third straight year, and won the Silver Slugger (for the 4th time in 5 seasons).
Gold Gloves
2008 AL (C)
2009 AL (C)
2010 AL (C)
Silver Sluggers
2006 AL (C)
2008 AL (C)
2009 AL (C)
2010 AL (C)
Wins Above Replacement
2006 AL 7.0 (2nd)
2008 AL 8.7 (1st)
2009 AL 7.9 (2nd)
2010 AL 5.6 (9th)
Batting Average
2006 AL .347 (1st)
2008 AL .328 (1st)
2009 AL .365 (1st)
2010 AL .327 (3rd)
Active .326 (3rd)
On-Base
2006 AL .429 (3rd)
2008 AL .413 (2nd)
2009 AL .444 (1st)
2010 AL .402 (3rd)
Active .406 (5th)
Adjusted OPS
2006 AL 144 (7th)
2008 AL 134 (8th)
2009 AL 170 (1st)
2010 AL 137 (10th)
Active 135 (16th)
Career 135 (109th)
Comparing him to other players with similar stats...these are the most similar players...1000 is a perfect match 900 is a 90% match, etc...
* denotes a HOF'er
Mickey Cochrane (900) *
Bill Dickey (885) *
Jason Kendall (875)
Derek Jeter (871)
Yogi Berra (867) *
Tony Lazzeri (855) *
Joe Torre (850)
Ted Simmons (848)
Robinson Cano (845)
Joe Sewell (844) *
(I would like to add that Jeter is a HOFer, Kendall should be, and Cano very well could be if he continues through his career.)
Yep...he is tur-uh-bull
Offensively, take out that one shit-house luck season and you've got Paul Loduca.DJH wrote:Are you serious? Are we talking about the same player? Joe Mauer, multiple time batting champ, gold glove winner, and MVP?AZGrizFan wrote:
Jesus...one shithouse-luck season that he hasn't come CLOSE to matching before or since and he's top 10 ALL TIME in that organization???
drrrr
Ted Simmons should be in the Hall of Fame. NOT jason kendallclenz wrote:You're just butt hurt because you took Mauer in a fantasy league thinking he would get you 25 home runs last season, and he didn't....yet he put up .327 BA, .402 OBP, .469 Slugging, .871 OPS, he was an All-Star, won the AL Gold Glove for the third straight year, and won the Silver Slugger (for the 4th time in 5 seasons).
Gold Gloves
2008 AL (C)
2009 AL (C)
2010 AL (C)
Silver Sluggers
2006 AL (C)
2008 AL (C)
2009 AL (C)
2010 AL (C)
Wins Above Replacement
2006 AL 7.0 (2nd)
2008 AL 8.7 (1st)
2009 AL 7.9 (2nd)
2010 AL 5.6 (9th)
Batting Average
2006 AL .347 (1st)
2008 AL .328 (1st)
2009 AL .365 (1st)
2010 AL .327 (3rd)
Active .326 (3rd)
On-Base
2006 AL .429 (3rd)
2008 AL .413 (2nd)
2009 AL .444 (1st)
2010 AL .402 (3rd)
Active .406 (5th)
Adjusted OPS
2006 AL 144 (7th)
2008 AL 134 (8th)
2009 AL 170 (1st)
2010 AL 137 (10th)
Active 135 (16th)
Career 135 (109th)
Comparing him to other players with similar stats...these are the most similar players...1000 is a perfect match 900 is a 90% match, etc...
* denotes a HOF'er
Mickey Cochrane (900) *
Bill Dickey (885) *
Jason Kendall (875)
Derek Jeter (871)
Yogi Berra (867) *
Tony Lazzeri (855) *
Joe Torre (850)
Ted Simmons (848)
Robinson Cano (845)
Joe Sewell (844) *
(I would like to add that Jeter is a HOFer, Kendall should be, and Cano very well could be if he continues through his career.)
Yep...he is tur-uh-bull
What "one" season are you talking about? He's been great for several seasons.AZGrizFan wrote:Offensively, take out that one shit-house luck season and you've got Paul Loduca.DJH wrote:
Are you serious? Are we talking about the same player? Joe Mauer, multiple time batting champ, gold glove winner, and MVP?
drrrr
Oh, I don't know...maybe the ONE season where he hit 3 x as many HR's as any OTHER season, maybe the ONE season where he hit almost 40 points higher than his career average, maybe the ONE season where his OPS was over 150 points higher than his career average...you know.....THAT season.DJH wrote:What "one" season are you talking about? He's been great for several seasons.AZGrizFan wrote:
Offensively, take out that one shit-house luck season and you've got Paul Loduca.
How can you completely ignore the facts and visual evidence?
He has THREE batting titles. THREE gold gloves. And has won an MVP!AZGrizFan wrote:Oh, I don't know...maybe the ONE season where he hit 3 x as many HR's as any OTHER season, maybe the ONE season where he hit almost 40 points higher than his career average, maybe the ONE season where his OPS was over 150 points higher than his career average...you know.....THAT season.DJH wrote:
What "one" season are you talking about? He's been great for several seasons.
How can you completely ignore the facts and visual evidence?
DJ, I get it...you love Mauer, I don't...you want to blow him, I don't...you want to have his baby, I don't. It's ok, little fella....
He's Lyle Overbay with the tools of ignorance. And he singlehandedly has ensured Twins irrelevance for the next 6 years. Congratulations.DJH wrote:He has THREE batting titles. THREE gold gloves. And has won an MVP!AZGrizFan wrote:
Oh, I don't know...maybe the ONE season where he hit 3 x as many HR's as any OTHER season, maybe the ONE season where he hit almost 40 points higher than his career average, maybe the ONE season where his OPS was over 150 points higher than his career average...you know.....THAT season.
DJ, I get it...you love Mauer, I don't...you want to blow him, I don't...you want to have his baby, I don't. It's ok, little fella....
I'm not in love with Joe Mauer. I'm just not a fucking moron, and can recognize that he is a great player.
dbackjon wrote:RIP to Harmon - passed away today
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If by just like Lyle Overbay, you mean a batting average that is 50 points higher, an on-base % that is 50 points higher, an RBI average that is 30 runs higher, and an OPS that is 25 points higher.....Than yes, he is JUST like Lyle Overbay.AZGrizFan wrote:He's Lyle Overbay with the tools of ignorance. And he singlehandedly has ensured Twins irrelevance for the next 6 years. Congratulations.DJH wrote:
He has THREE batting titles. THREE gold gloves. And has won an MVP!
I'm not in love with Joe Mauer. I'm just not a fucking moron, and can recognize that he is a great player.
Nice cherrypicking of stats, conveniently leaving out HR's and inflating the RBI difference by almost 100%, not to mention some comprehension issues......DJH wrote:If by just like Lyle Overbay, you mean a batting average that is 50 points higher, an on-base % that is 50 points higher, an RBI average that is 30 runs higher, and an OPS that is 25 points higher.....Than yes, he is JUST like Lyle Overbay.AZGrizFan wrote:
He's Lyle Overbay with the tools of ignorance. And he singlehandedly has ensured Twins irrelevance for the next 6 years. Congratulations.
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:and one is a first baseman... the other is a catcher...
compare him to the catchers in the league... it isn't even CLOSE. Carlos Santana may be good enough someday to compete offensively, but for the combination of offense, defense and position scarcity is what makes the guy so remarkable.
And my point all along is, when he's moved to 1B next year (or DH) and he's still a 10/80 guy, you'll bemoan his $23 million salary that's single-handedly keeping the Twins irrelevent for the next 6 years. Because it's GOING to happen...you KNOW it. I know it. The whole WORLD knows it....so you might as well start comparing him to first basement NOW, becuase the bulk of that contract is going to be paid out with him manning that position.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:also - the one season of home run numbers wasn't an "aberration" look at where his homers went out playing at the metrodome... almost EVERY SINGLE ONE went out in the left center field gap... a gap that just so happens to be 6-8 feet DEEPER at Target Field... where a dozen or more Mauer doubles fell last season - and since most of Mauer's '09 homers fell in the first two or three rows... there you have it.