No refusal DUI checkpoint

[grizzaholic]

Cluck, I understand what you're saying, but that risk is the price we pay for a free society. Surely you don't trust the cops and government to exercise restraint here.

I also don't personally view drunk driving as an issue that requires that level of attention. I see it as a hysteria manufactured by the meddling hens of MADD. Law enforcement is in on the scam too as it's great job security. The harsh punishments and increased patrols already in place are doing a fine job keeping accidents and incidents in decline.

more people have died due to drunk driving THIS YEAR (4,538) than US casualties in the ENTIRE IRAQ WAR (4454) and it's somehow drunk driving that's a "hysteria"?

What about total traffic fatalities this year?

[D1B]

more people have died due to drunk driving THIS YEAR (4,538) than US casualties in the ENTIRE IRAQ WAR (4454) and it's somehow drunk driving that's a "hysteria"?

What about total traffic fatalities this year?

15 a day! Yeah Z, let's handover our freedoms for 15 a day.

10 times that are killed by handguns each year.

[grizzaholic]

more people have died due to drunk driving THIS YEAR (4,538) than US casualties in the ENTIRE IRAQ WAR (4454) and it's somehow drunk driving that's a "hysteria"?

What about total traffic fatalities this year?

I was talking about total traffic fatalities...as in everyone killed in an automotive accident in a given year...say 2010 or 2009?

[YoUDeeMan]

What about total traffic fatalities this year?

I was talking about total traffic fatalities...as in everyone killed in an automotive accident in a given year...say 2010 or 2009?

I hope grizzaholic is not driving...he's answering his own posts.

[YoUDeeMan]

Discussed this, and the numerous other, erosion of our rights by the government of 'the 'late united states' with a gentleman who was a Major in WW II and his buddies today. They all said "this isn't the country I fought for". Perhaps we should listen.

Yeah, those guys probably say the same thing when they go into a barber shop and a black man is in the chair next to them.

Things change.

[grizzaholic]

Cluck. I am not quoting others. I haven't looked really hard but would like to know the total traffic fatalities for a given year in the U.S.A. I am willing to bet that Alcohol related ones are pretty far down on the list.

[CID1990]

Victims of MADD manufactured hysteria and the state parlaying it into a huge revenue generator and state jobs/bureauocracy creation and retention program. Surprised to see the so called liberitarians and conks walking goosestep with such blatent fascism.

Hey D1B, I agree with you about MADD. I could go on forever about them.

However, the REAL interesting part about your post is that I am surprised you chimed in before your buddy JSO. I expect him in this thread at any moment, and then the two of you can have a sloppy circle jerk spit-swappperoo.

[AZGrizFan]

Cluck. I am not quoting others. I haven't looked really hard but would like to know the total traffic fatalities for a given year in the U.S.A. I am willing to bet that Alcohol related ones are pretty far down on the list.

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/drunk-drivin ... stics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

United States Drunk Driving Car Accident Statistics (2009)
Three in every ten Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related crash at some point in their lives.
Of fatal accidents in 2009, 32 percent involved alcohol-impaired drivers.
On average, one person died every 48 minutes in 2009 due to an alcohol-impaired driver.
In 2009, all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico made it illegal to drive with a BAC of .08 or higher. Of the 10,839 people who died in an alcohol-related crash, 7,281 (67 percent) had drivers with BACs above the legal limit.
For fatal crashes occurring from midnight to 3 a.m., 66 percent involved alcohol-impaired driving.
On New Year's Day, 468 people were killed in car accidents. Alcohol-impaired driving contributed to 40 percent of them.
Fatal crashes involving alcohol-impaired drivers occurred four times more at night than during the day (37 percent versus 9 percent).
Of the drivers involved in fatal crashes, 30 percent of males had a BAC of .01+ and 25 percent had a BAC of .08+; 16 percent of women had a BAC of .01+ and 14 percent had a BAC of .08+.
Of people ages 21 to 24 involved in fatal crashes, 35 percent had a BAC above the legal limit.
In 2009, 14 percent of children ages 14 and younger killed in crashes died because of alcohol.
More than 181 children were killed due to drivers who were drunk.
Drivers with a BAC level of .08 or higher in fatal crashes were eight times more likely to have a prior conviction for driving while under the influence.
The most frequently recorded BAC level among drinking drivers in fatal crashes was .17, which is more than twice the legal limit.

Does that help?

[grizzaholic]

Cluck. I am not quoting others. I haven't looked really hard but would like to know the total traffic fatalities for a given year in the U.S.A. I am willing to bet that Alcohol related ones are pretty far down on the list.

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/drunk-drivin ... stics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

United States Drunk Driving Car Accident Statistics (2009)
Three in every ten Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related crash at some point in their lives.
Of fatal accidents in 2009, 32 percent involved alcohol-impaired drivers.
On average, one person died every 48 minutes in 2009 due to an alcohol-impaired driver.
In 2009, all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico made it illegal to drive with a BAC of .08 or higher. Of the 10,839 people who died in an alcohol-related crash, 7,281 (67 percent) had drivers with BACs above the legal limit.
For fatal crashes occurring from midnight to 3 a.m., 66 percent involved alcohol-impaired driving.
On New Year's Day, 468 people were killed in car accidents. Alcohol-impaired driving contributed to 40 percent of them.
Fatal crashes involving alcohol-impaired drivers occurred four times more at night than during the day (37 percent versus 9 percent).
Of the drivers involved in fatal crashes, 30 percent of males had a BAC of .01+ and 25 percent had a BAC of .08+; 16 percent of women had a BAC of .01+ and 14 percent had a BAC of .08+.
Of people ages 21 to 24 involved in fatal crashes, 35 percent had a BAC above the legal limit.
In 2009, 14 percent of children ages 14 and younger killed in crashes died because of alcohol.
More than 181 children were killed due to drivers who were drunk.
Drivers with a BAC level of .08 or higher in fatal crashes were eight times more likely to have a prior conviction for driving while under the influence.
The most frequently recorded BAC level among drinking drivers in fatal crashes was .17, which is more than twice the legal limit.

Does that help?

AZ...Read this slowly. "total traffic fatalities" As in ALL. Not just Alcohol related. TOTAL.

[D1B]

Victims of MADD manufactured hysteria and the state parlaying it into a huge revenue generator and state jobs/bureauocracy creation and retention program. Surprised to see the so called liberitarians and conks walking goosestep with such blatent fascism.

Hey D1B, I agree with you about MADD. I could go on forever about them.

However, the REAL interesting part about your post is that I am surprised you chimed in before your buddy JSO. I expect him in this thread at any moment, and then the two of you can have a sloppy circle jerk spit-swappperoo.

Looks like it's a three-way now, welcome!

[AZGrizFan]

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/drunk-drivin ... stics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Does that help?

AZ...Read this slowly. "total traffic fatalities" As in ALL. Not just Alcohol related. TOTAL.

Jesus H. Christ...is your Google broken?

33,808 motorists, motorcyclists, pedestrians, and bicyclists were killed in traffic collisions in 2009, down 10 percent from 2008 and an incredible 22 percent from the recent peak of 43,510 in 2005.

See the post above where it states that 32% of all fatalities involved an impaired driver.

You want I should do the fucking math for you too?

32% x 33,808 = 10,818 alcohol related deaths. Twice what we've lost in Iraq in 10 years.

[grizzaholic]

AZ...Read this slowly. "total traffic fatalities" As in ALL. Not just Alcohol related. TOTAL.

Jesus H. Christ...is your Google broken?

33,808 motorists, motorcyclists, pedestrians, and bicyclists were killed in traffic collisions in 2009, down 10 percent from 2008 and an incredible 22 percent from the recent peak of 43,510 in 2005.

You want I should do the fucking math for you too?

Yes my GOOGLE is broken. You were the one asking if what you posted helped and you didn't even read what you quoted. I asked for total and you didn't even post one thing on that.


Thanks though, my GOOGLE will be fixed shortly. I have Chris on that as we speak.

[AZGrizFan]

Jesus H. Christ...is your Google broken?



You want I should do the fucking math for you too?

Yes my GOOGLE is broken. You were the one asking if what you posted helped and you didn't even read what you quoted. I asked for total and you didn't even post one thing on that.


Thanks though, my GOOGLE will be fixed shortly. I have Chris on that as we speak.

Good, I'm tired of carryin' your sorry ass.

[grizzaholic]

Yes my GOOGLE is broken. You were the one asking if what you posted helped and you didn't even read what you quoted. I asked for total and you didn't even post one thing on that.


Thanks though, my GOOGLE will be fixed shortly. I have Chris on that as we speak.

Good, I'm tired of carryin' your sorry ass.

[YoUDeeMan]

AZ...Read this slowly. "total traffic fatalities" As in ALL. Not just Alcohol related. TOTAL.

http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Between 1999 and 2009 traffic fatalities were between 30,797 and 39,252 per year.

According to one site - and the numbers appear ot be similar on others, alcohol related deaths per year ranged from 37% to 40% during the same time (2009 excluded from the site below).

There are a whole lot of sites that cite alcohol related driving stats if you Google, “Alcohol related traffic fatalities by year.”

http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-drivi ... stics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In any case, it appears that alcohol is not a small part of traffic fatalities.

[D1B]

Z, dress up your stats all you want, but we're still talkin bout 10-15 deaths per day out of a population of 300 million. Who gives a fuck? Yes, I'm sorry that some liitle girl got clipped by Keith Stone after several hours at the double bubble, but giving up our freedom ain't the remedy.

Chronic alcoholism and repeat offenders are the root problem and Id have no problem requiring them to have brac ignitions.

Drunk driving fatalities are declining and current harsh penalties are working. What you're advocating is dangerous and you of all people should know it won't stop there.

[AZGrizFan]

Total fatalities Alcohol-related fatalities

Year Number Number Percent
1982 43,945 26,173 60
1983 42,589 24,635 58
1984 44,257 24,762 56
1985 43,825 23,167 53
1986 46,087 25,017 54
1987 46,390 24,094 52
1988 47,087 23,833 51
1989 45,582 22,424 49
1990 44,599 22,587 51
1991 41,508 20,159 49
1992 39,250 18,290 47
1993 40,150 17,908 45
1994 40,716 17,308 43
1995 41,817 17,732 42
1996 42,065 17,749 42
1997 42,013 16,711 40
1998 41,501 16,673 40
1999 41,717 16,572 40
2000 41,945 17,380 41
2001 42,196 17,400 41
2002 43,005 17,524 41
2003 42,643 17,013 40
2004 42,518 16,919 39
2005 43,443 16,885 39
2006 42,532 15,829 37
2007 41,059 15,387 37
2008 37,261 13,846 37

[YoUDeeMan]

What about total traffic fatalities this year?

15 a day! Yeah Z, let's handover our freedoms for 15 a day.

10 times that are killed by handguns each year.

It used to be a lot more people per day.

I know many people who won't risk drinking and driving simply because they fear getting caught in a checkpoint. No one cares about the random police officer stopping you...drunk people think they are better drivers than they are in reality so they didn't believe they'd get pulled over. But when they pull everyone over, that is a game changer.

[AZGrizFan]

Z, dress up your stats all you want, but we're still talkin bout 10-15 deaths per day out of a population of 300 million. Who gives a fuck? Yes, I'm sorry that some liitle girl got clipped by Keith Stone after several hours at the double bubble, but giving up our freedom ain't the remedy.

Chronic alcoholism and repeat offenders are the root problem and Id have no problem requiring them to have brac ignitions.

Drunk driving fatalities are declining and current harsh penalties are working. What you're advocating is dangerous and you of all people should know it won't stop there.

Absolutely amazing...it's actually between 35-40 deaths per day...and the fact that you can trivialize that speaks volumes about your lack of concern for human life.

[AZGrizFan]

What about total traffic fatalities this year?

15 a day! Yeah Z, let's handover our freedoms for 15 a day.

10 times that are killed by handguns each year.

You are fucking hilarious....the stats you come up with have shit all over them because they're always pulled directly out of your ass...

In the U.S. for 2006, there were 30,896 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 16,883; Homicide 12,791; Accident 642; Legal Intervention 360; Undetermined 220.

So, there's fewer accidental handgun deaths than there are "accidental" deaths by impaired drivers.

Any other stats you want to quote, or are you done showing folks how retarded you really are?

[Grizalltheway]

Total fatalities Alcohol-related fatalities

Year Number Number Percent
1982 43,945 26,173 60
1983 42,589 24,635 58
1984 44,257 24,762 56
1985 43,825 23,167 53
1986 46,087 25,017 54
1987 46,390 24,094 52
1988 47,087 23,833 51
1989 45,582 22,424 49
1990 44,599 22,587 51
1991 41,508 20,159 49
1992 39,250 18,290 47
1993 40,150 17,908 45
1994 40,716 17,308 43
1995 41,817 17,732 42
1996 42,065 17,749 42
1997 42,013 16,711 40
1998 41,501 16,673 40
1999 41,717 16,572 40
2000 41,945 17,380 41
2001 42,196 17,400 41
2002 43,005 17,524 41
2003 42,643 17,013 40
2004 42,518 16,919 39
2005 43,443 16,885 39
2006 42,532 15,829 37
2007 41,059 15,387 37
2008 37,261 13,846 37

Cut in half over 26 years. Looks like the tougher laws have been effective, without resorting to Stasi-esque checkpoints.

[AZGrizFan]

Total fatalities Alcohol-related fatalities

Year Number Number Percent
1982 43,945 26,173 60
1983 42,589 24,635 58
1984 44,257 24,762 56
1985 43,825 23,167 53
1986 46,087 25,017 54
1987 46,390 24,094 52
1988 47,087 23,833 51
1989 45,582 22,424 49
1990 44,599 22,587 51
1991 41,508 20,159 49
1992 39,250 18,290 47
1993 40,150 17,908 45
1994 40,716 17,308 43
1995 41,817 17,732 42
1996 42,065 17,749 42
1997 42,013 16,711 40
1998 41,501 16,673 40
1999 41,717 16,572 40
2000 41,945 17,380 41
2001 42,196 17,400 41
2002 43,005 17,524 41
2003 42,643 17,013 40
2004 42,518 16,919 39
2005 43,443 16,885 39
2006 42,532 15,829 37
2007 41,059 15,387 37
2008 37,261 13,846 37

Cut in half over 26 years. Looks like the tougher laws have been effective, without resorting to Stasi-esque checkpoints.

OK, drama queen.

[Grizalltheway]

Cut in half over 26 years. Looks like the tougher laws have been effective, without resorting to Stasi-esque checkpoints.

OK, drama queen.

Says the guy who resorted to this response only 3 hours ago:

Why don't you ask the 4800+ folks who are no longer here because of drunk drivers....


Oh. Wait....

[AZGrizFan]

OK, drama queen.

Says the guy who resorted to this response only 3 hours ago:

Why don't you ask the 4800+ folks who are no longer here because of drunk drivers....


Oh. Wait....

Oh, I see. Facts aren't appropriate in your world. Got it.

[YoUDeeMan]

Total fatalities Alcohol-related fatalities

Year Number Number Percent
1982 43,945 26,173 60
1983 42,589 24,635 58
1984 44,257 24,762 56
1985 43,825 23,167 53
1986 46,087 25,017 54
1987 46,390 24,094 52
1988 47,087 23,833 51
1989 45,582 22,424 49
1990 44,599 22,587 51
1991 41,508 20,159 49
1992 39,250 18,290 47
1993 40,150 17,908 45
1994 40,716 17,308 43
1995 41,817 17,732 42
1996 42,065 17,749 42
1997 42,013 16,711 40
1998 41,501 16,673 40
1999 41,717 16,572 40
2000 41,945 17,380 41
2001 42,196 17,400 41
2002 43,005 17,524 41
2003 42,643 17,013 40
2004 42,518 16,919 39
2005 43,443 16,885 39
2006 42,532 15,829 37
2007 41,059 15,387 37
2008 37,261 13,846 37

Cut in half over 26 years. Looks like the tougher laws have been effective, without resorting to Stasi-esque checkpoints.

DUI checkpoints have been around since the mid-to-late 1980s and more states and municipalities hopped on the band wagon as time went on. Seems as though the checkpoints could be a factor. One could argue that the penalties/expenses have also increased and thus have provided a deterent, but those things don't come into play unless someone is first caught driving while intoxicated.