Greatest Baseball Player of this Generation?

[grizzaholic]

Why even comment on this thread? Everyone here knew it would turn into UNH vs JJ...Boston this and Yankee that. Doesn't matter if someone is better JJ and UNH will dumb you down to their level until you give up.

[clenz]

What generation are we talking about. In the US we have had 3 since 1965

2000/2001-Present - New Silent Generation or Generation Z
1980-2000 - Millennials or Generation Y
1965-1979 - Generation X


Hell, even if you want to combine 1980-present this converstaion starts and stops with Ken Griffey Jr.

[bluehenbillk]

Albert Pujols is the best player of this generation (hitter-wise) and there really is no one in the conversation for a close second. He hits for average, he hits for power & he hits in the clutch.

[Gil Dobie]

What generation are we talking about. In the US we have had 3 since 1965

2000/2001-Present - New Silent Generation or Generation Z
1980-2000 - Millennials or Generation Y
1965-1979 - Generation X


Hell, even if you want to combine 1980-present this converstaion starts and stops with Ken Griffey Jr.

Jeter had close to 1000 of his hits in the 1980 - 2000 era, so Griffey is the choice, Pujols needs to continue on pace to get close to Griffey. Pujols is in the age range, 31, that Griffey started getting injured. Griffey also played great at a more athletic position than Pujols.

[CatMom]

Wanna get technical?
In genealogical terms a generation is 25.5 for females & 30 for males.
In most terms it's 20. Baby Boomers are those born 1946-1965.
(I knew you all wanted to know that)

So, let's say the next (X) should be 66-85
then (Y) 86-2005
however...current acceptance is muddled and varied.

Of course, familial generations vary from cultural generations

Just trying to do my part and muddle the time-frames




you're welcome

[JoltinJoe]

What generation are we talking about. In the US we have had 3 since 1965

2000/2001-Present - New Silent Generation or Generation Z
1980-2000 - Millennials or Generation Y
1965-1979 - Generation X


Hell, even if you want to combine 1980-present this converstaion starts and stops with Ken Griffey Jr.

Jeter had close to 1000 of his hits in the 1980 - 2000 era, so Griffey is the choice, Pujols needs to continue on pace to get close to Griffey. Pujols is in the age range, 31, that Griffey started getting injured. Griffey also played great at a more athletic position than Pujols.

I agree. I'd got with Griffey as No. 1 for the reason that he was all around a better player than Pujols is, despite Pujols' advantage in offensive stats. Also, why is Pujols hitting .240 in his walk year? Is the pressure of playing for the contract getting to him?

[free7694]

Are we talking "Greatest Baseball Player of this Generation" or "Best Singles Hitter of this Generation"?

If it's the former, Jeter's not even in the top 10, if it's the latter, I'm still not sure he beats out Ichiro or Tony Gwynn.

If you don't think Jeter is one of the ten 10 best of this generation, you have no idea about baseball. I think the names being tossed around here (as hitters) are on the money: Griffey, Jones, Jeter, Ichiro, Pujols. And all kidding aside, Griffey is probably No. 1 and, if Pujols stay clean, he's No. 2 (I've always had a bad feeling about him). Then Jeter, Jones, Ichiro, Frank Thomas.

A-Rod
Rivera
Bonds
Griffey
Pujols
Pedro
Halladay
Ichiro
Ripken
Pudge Rodriguez

There's 10 guys from this generation better than Jeter, not necessarily my top 10 from the generation, just the first 10 I thought of. I could probably think of 5 or 10 more I'd put ahead of him on the list, too.

[SDHornet]

Derek Jeter.

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Are we talking "Greatest Baseball Player of this Generation" or "Best Singles Hitter of this Generation"?

If it's the former, Jeter's not even in the top 10, if it's the latter, I'm still not sure he beats out Ichiro or Tony Gwynn.

Props to free7694 for giving love to Mr. 5.5 hole...or Mr. Padre as he is known here in SD.

[SuperHornet]

What the cr@p is wrong with being a "singles hitter?" If one has that moniker, it means he's getting on base. In a lot of cases, that ALSO means he's scoring runs. In fact, when guys get on base, exciting things happen when the ball hits the gap. I mean, you get a guy on first and the next guy puts one off the wall in a power alley (or even better, in the right field corner), and the anticipation of the play at the plate is a WHOLE lot more fun than "just" another double. Heck, having guys on base also makes home runs more meaningful. You get a couple of small-ball runs, and a solo shot (the most boring play in baseball unless it's Ruthian in terms of distance) is of little to no value.

Give me a bunch of slashers with speed, and I'll beat a team built on "just" the jack any day of the week.

[∞∞∞]

I don't trust anyone in Jeter's "generation" of baseball players to anoint one of them the greatest of their time.

[Ivytalk]

Pooholes.

If he played in New York, there wouldn't be a doubt.

[JoltinJoe]

If you don't think Jeter is one of the ten 10 best of this generation, you have no idea about baseball. I think the names being tossed around here (as hitters) are on the money: Griffey, Jones, Jeter, Ichiro, Pujols. And all kidding aside, Griffey is probably No. 1 and, if Pujols stay clean, he's No. 2 (I've always had a bad feeling about him). Then Jeter, Jones, Ichiro, Frank Thomas.

A-Rod
Rivera
Bonds
Griffey
Pujols
Pedro
Halladay
Ichiro
Ripken
Pudge Rodriguez

There's 10 guys from this generation better than Jeter, not necessarily my top 10 from the generation, just the first 10 I thought of. I could probably think of 5 or 10 more I'd put ahead of him on the list, too.

Remove Arod, Bonds, & Pudge. No juicers allowed.

Ripken? Damn, Jeter's career average is nearly 40 points higher. And don't tell me Ripken had more power. Jeter's career slugging percentage is higher than Ripkens, and Jeter's OPS is significantly better. Jeter has all it all over Ripken.

[JoltinJoe]

Pooholes.

If he played in New York, there wouldn't be a doubt.

I'd say no. 2, behind Griffey, who was/is simply the all around better player.

[free7694]

Are we talking "Greatest Baseball Player of this Generation" or "Best Singles Hitter of this Generation"?

If it's the former, Jeter's not even in the top 10, if it's the latter, I'm still not sure he beats out Ichiro or Tony Gwynn.

Props to free7694 for giving love to Mr. 5.5 hole...or Mr. Padre as he is known here in SD.

Very underrated player, Tony Gwynn, at least by baseball fans. He was always a pain in the rear against the Rockies (though I think some of that was because our pitching stunk).

[JoltinJoe]

Props to free7694 for giving love to Mr. 5.5 hole...or Mr. Padre as he is known here in SD.

Very underrated player, Tony Gwynn, at least by baseball fans. He was always a pain in the rear against the Rockies (though I think some of that was because our pitching stunk).

Great hitter, but really nothing to speak about defensively as his career progressed. Got heavy and lost a lot of speed and range.

[free7694]

A-Rod
Rivera
Bonds
Griffey
Pujols
Pedro
Halladay
Ichiro
Ripken
Pudge Rodriguez

There's 10 guys from this generation better than Jeter, not necessarily my top 10 from the generation, just the first 10 I thought of. I could probably think of 5 or 10 more I'd put ahead of him on the list, too.

Remove Arod, Bonds, & Pudge. No juicers allowed.

Ripken? Damn, Jeter's career average is nearly 40 points higher. And don't tell me Ripken had more power. Jeter's career slugging percentage is higher than Ripkens, and Jeter's OPS is significantly better. Jeter has all it all over Ripken.

Career WAR: Ripken - 89.9, Jeter 70.4

Ripken was better, it's not that close.

Also, I'll replace A-Rod, Bonds and Pudge with Gwynn, Helton and Chipper.

[free7694]

Very underrated player, Tony Gwynn, at least by baseball fans. He was always a pain in the rear against the Rockies (though I think some of that was because our pitching stunk).

Great hitter, but really nothing to speak about defensively as his career progressed. Got heavy and lost a lot of speed and range.

The guy arguing for Jeter brings up defense. Jeter's been awful defensively throughout his career.

[JoltinJoe]

Great hitter, but really nothing to speak about defensively as his career progressed. Got heavy and lost a lot of speed and range.

The guy arguing for Jeter brings up defense. Jeter's been awful defensively throughout his career.

Only saber geeks who never played the game say things like this. So you were on the Math League in high school.

[DJH]

Great hitter, but really nothing to speak about defensively as his career progressed. Got heavy and lost a lot of speed and range.

The guy arguing for Jeter brings up defense. Jeter's been awful defensively throughout his career.

That is purely unsubstantiated bullshit, that is spewed by Jeter haters.

[free7694]

The guy arguing for Jeter brings up defense. Jeter's been awful defensively throughout his career.

Only saber geeks who never played the game say things like this. So you were on the Math League in high school.

I see someone who can't handle the truth that Jeter is, and pretty much always has been a below-average to bad defensive shortstop.

[Gil Dobie]

Career WAR: Ripken - 89.9, Jeter 70.4

Ripken was better, it's not that close.

Also, I'll replace A-Rod, Bonds and Pudge with Gwynn, Helton and Chipper.

Ripken is also ahead of Joe DiMaggio, Albert Pujols, Roberto Clemente, Ken Griffey Jr, Pete Rose on the all-time WAR rating. Adding career WAR does not make a player greater than another, it just means they were healthy, no military service, no injuries, and continued to perform at a high level like Ripken. It pays not to miss game when career WAR comes into play.

[free7694]

The guy arguing for Jeter brings up defense. Jeter's been awful defensively throughout his career.

That is purely unsubstantiated bullshit, that is spewed by Jeter haters.

Just because you don't understand the stats that substantiate it, doesn't mean it's unsubstantiated...

[clenz]

Jeter has a .977 fielding percentage

[free7694]

Jeter has a .977 fielding percentage

Here's an argument from 1987.

[clenz]

Jeter has a .977 fielding percentage

Here's an argument from 1987.

I'm just posting stats, that can't be tied to a "saber geek"