Comprehensive List of FCS over FBS wins?

[AZGrizFan]

So....ZERO.

Montana has zero FCS NC Flags.

OK, Ralph.

When you start wordsmithing things, you KNOW you've lost.

[JBB]

D2 36 scholarships
FCS 63
FBS 85

FCS has 27 more scholarships than D2
FBS has 22 more scholarships than FCS.

It is a greater accomplishment for a D2 team to beat a D1 FCS squad than it is for an FCS sqaud to defeat an FBS team.

Thats the reason Montana has lost to only 1 D2 team: The NDSU BISON. They were beaten on their own field by a winner. The BISON are Winners at any level. Right now they are a top 10 club in the FCS picked to win the MVFC title. They also have 4 FBS wins since moving up in 2003. Everyone is familiar with the D2 success.

The FBS wins are huge, but beating a program that has 27 more scholarships and a smug fan base that tried to stay aloof of the entire thing and still does is a big win.

The National Championships count, even the ones where NDSU and the rest of the division had 45, then we had 38 and then 36 and now 65.

The scholarship ratio can easily be applied to any competition and should be used as one of the coefficients in the overall formula used to predict the winner. I dont use the exact ratio. I refine it. In the NDSU @ Montana game there was a 27 scholarship difference and I used 10%. I felt the NDSU starting lilneup was every bit as good as Montana and I was right. Not only did they outplay Montana in a very physical contest, more of them were drafted NFL. I do the same in my FCS @ BCS/FBS prognostications as well.

[Grizalltheway]

D2 36 scholarships
FCS 63
FBS 85

FCS has 27 more scholarships than D2
FBS has 22 more scholarships than FCS.

It is a greater accomplishment for a D2 team to beat an D1 FCS squad than it is for an FCS sqaud to defeat an FBS team.

Thats the reason Montana has lost to only 1 D2 team: The NDSU BISON. They were beaten on their own field by a winner. The BISON are Winners at any level. Right now they are a top 10 club in the FCS picked to win the MVFC title. They also have 4 FBS wins since moving up in 2003. Everyone is familiar with the D2 success.

The FBS wins are huge, but beating a program that has 27 more scholarships and a smug fan base that tried to stay aloof of the entire thing and still does is a big win.

The National Championships count, even the ones where NDSU and the rest of the division had 45, then we had 38 and then 36 and now 65.

The scholarship ratio can easily be applied to any competition and should be used as one of the coefficients in the overall formula used to predict the winner. I dont use the exact ratio. I refine it. In the NDSU @ Montana game there was a 27 scholarship difference and I used 10%. I felt the NDSU starting lilneup was every bit as good as Montana and I was right. Not only did they outplay Montana in a very physical contest, more of them were drafted NFL. I do the same in my BCS/FBS prognostications as well.

So, where does playing two teams with NO scholarships fit into this mess of bullshit?

[Gil Dobie]

Montana has zero FCS NC Flags.

OK, Ralph.

When you start wordsmithing things, you KNOW you've lost.

Typical Donk, changes direction when presented with facts.

[JBB]

D2 36 scholarships
FCS 63
FBS 85

FCS has 27 more scholarships than D2
FBS has 22 more scholarships than FCS.

It is a greater accomplishment for a D2 team to beat an D1 FCS squad than it is for an FCS sqaud to defeat an FBS team.

Thats the reason Montana has lost to only 1 D2 team: The NDSU BISON. They were beaten on their own field by a winner. The BISON are Winners at any level. Right now they are a top 10 club in the FCS picked to win the MVFC title. They also have 4 FBS wins since moving up in 2003. Everyone is familiar with the D2 success.

The FBS wins are huge, but beating a program that has 27 more scholarships and a smug fan base that tried to stay aloof of the entire thing and still does is a big win.

The National Championships count, even the ones where NDSU and the rest of the division had 45, then we had 38 and then 36 and now 65.

So, where does playing two teams with NO scholarships fit into this mess of bullshit?

NDSU schedules qualifying FCS squads only. By that we mean play-off eligible. There is no scholarship difference except the ones that are self-imposed. No scholarship ratio can properly be applied to inter-divisional competition within the FCS because all schools recruit. When you are looking inter-divisional you calculate the recruiting coefficient only.

[Grizalltheway]

So, where does playing two teams with NO scholarships fit into this mess of bullshit?

NDSU schedules qualifying FCS squads only. By that we mean play-off eligible. There is no scholarship difference except the ones that are self-imposed. No scholarship ratio can properly be applied to inter-divisional competition within the FCS because all schools recruit. When you are looking inter-divisional you calculate the recruiting coefficient only.

There's a 65 scholarship difference between ndsu and Lafayette/St. Francis. Period. End of story.

[AZGrizFan]

OK, Ralph.

When you start wordsmithing things, you KNOW you've lost.

Typical Donk, changes direction when presented with facts.

THe difference here is, FCS=I-AA, whereas D-2 (pre-1977) <> D-II (post 1977)....

But you feel free to spit it anyway you'd like.

[AZGrizFan]

So, where does playing two teams with NO scholarships fit into this mess of bullshit?

NDSU schedules qualifying FCS squads only. By that we mean play-off eligible. There is no scholarship difference except the ones that are self-imposed. No scholarship ratio can properly be applied to inter-divisional competition within the FCS because all schools recruit. When you are looking inter-divisional you calculate the recruiting coefficient only.

Aha. So that's it, huh? The D-2 schools don't recruit....

[Gil Dobie]

Typical Donk, changes direction when presented with facts.

THe difference here is, FCS=I-AA, whereas D-2 (pre-1977) <> D-II (post 1977)....

But you feel free to spit it anyway you'd like.

NDSU beat Montana pre 1972(DII started) in the college division, with 3 NC's, which contained most of current day FCS.

Year Champion
1958 Southern Miss
1959 Bowling Green
1960 Ohio
1961 Pittsburg State
1962 Southern Miss (UPI), Florida A&M (AP)
1963 Delaware (UPI), Northern Illinois (AP)
1964 Los Angeles State (UPI), Wittenberg (AP)
1965 North Dakota State
1966 San Diego State
1967 San Diego State
1968 San Diego State (UPI), North Dakota State (AP)
1969 North Dakota State
1970 Arkansas State
1971 Delaware
1972 Delaware
1973 Tennessee State
1974 Louisiana Tech (UPI), Central Michigan (AP)

[JBB]

NDSU schedules qualifying FCS squads only. By that we mean play-off eligible. There is no scholarship difference except the ones that are self-imposed. No scholarship ratio can properly be applied to inter-divisional competition within the FCS because all schools recruit. When you are looking inter-divisional you calculate the recruiting coefficient only.

Aha. So that's it, huh? The D-2 schools don't recruit....

Were you born stupid or raised stupid? Are you drunk? of course both divisions recruit but duh?

D2 has 27 fewer overall recruiting opportunities than an FCS club. They do a lot less recruiting in D2, get it? So when NDSU came to Montana there was a 27 scholarship advantage for the home team. It was a big win for NDSU. Coast-to-Coast it was Nation-Wide. Everybody knows what a huge advantage that is. They just didnt realize how good the NDSU line-up was. It was the best game that great BISON Team ever played!!!

With the new season just around the corner Its really inspiring to think about that BISON win and other BCS/FBS BISON wins like Kansas, a Big 12 Charter member, last season. Thats what a great football tradition is all about!

[AZGrizFan]

Aha. So that's it, huh? The D-2 schools don't recruit....

Were you born stupid or raised stupid? Are you drunk? of course both divisions recruit but duh?

D2 has 27 fewer overall recruiting opportunities than an FCS club. They do a lot less recruiting in D2, get it? So when NDSU came to Montana there was a 27 scholarship advantage for the home team. It was a big win for NDSU. Coast-to-Coast it was Nation-Wide. Everybody knows what a huge advantage that is. They just didnt realize how good the NDSU line-up was. It was the best game that great BISON Team ever played!!!

With the new season just around the corner Its really inspiring to think about that BISON win and other BCS/FBS BISON wins like Kansas, a Big 12 Charter member, last season. Thats what a great football tradition is all about!

NDSU schedules qualifying FCS squads only. By that we mean play-off eligible. There is no scholarship difference except the ones that are self-imposed. No scholarship ratio can properly be applied to inter-divisional competition within the FCS because all schools recruit. When you are looking inter-divisional you calculate the recruiting coefficient only.

There's a 65 scholarship difference between ndsu and Lafayette/St. Francis. Period. End of story.

Game/Set/Match AZGriz & Grizalltheway

[JBB]

You're just being ridiculous. Here is what the scholarship situation is all about.

The NCAA imposes limits on the total financial aid each Division I member may award in each sport that the school sponsors. It divides sports that it sponsors into two types for purposes of scholarship limitations:

"Head-count" sports, in which the NCAA limits the total number of individuals that can receive athletic scholarships, but allows each player to receive up to a full scholarship.

"Equivalency" sports, in which the NCAA limits the total financial aid that a school can offer in a given sport to the equivalent of a set number of full scholarships. Roster limitations may or may not apply, depending on the sport.

The term "counter" is also key to this concept. The NCAA defines a "counter" as "an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport."[7]

[DJH]

Right now they are a top 10 club in the FCS picked to win the MVFC title.

Please show me any credible source that says that 1)NDSU is a top 10 team, and 2) is picked to win the MFVC.

I'll help you out with the ranking part. In the consolidated poll, NDSU is 13th, and they are not in the top 10 in ANY of the 4 polls that were used.

http://www.collegesportingnews.com/cont ... on-Ranking

[AZGrizFan]

You're just being ridiculous. Here is what the scholarship situation is all about.

The NCAA imposes limits on the total financial aid each Division I member may award in each sport that the school sponsors. It divides sports that it sponsors into two types for purposes of scholarship limitations:

"Head-count" sports, in which the NCAA limits the total number of individuals that can receive athletic scholarships, but allows each player to receive up to a full scholarship.

"Equivalency" sports, in which the NCAA limits the total financial aid that a school can offer in a given sport to the equivalent of a set number of full scholarships. Roster limitations may or may not apply, depending on the sport.

The term "counter" is also key to this concept. The NCAA defines a "counter" as "an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport."[7]

WTF are you talking about? You brag about beating Montana when there was a 27 scholarship difference, but somehow are able to rationalize a SIXTY FIVE scholarship difference between you and your two cupcakes this year as being irrelevant?

You are fucking priceless, dude.

[AZGrizFan]

Right now they are a top 10 club in the FCS picked to win the MVFC title.

Please show me any credible source that says that 1)NDSU is a top 10 team, and 2) is picked to win the MFVC.

Here is a source of consolidated rankings so far. In the consolidated poll, NDSU is 13th, and they are not in the top 10 in either of the 4 polls that were used.

http://www.collegesportingnews.com/cont ... on-Ranking

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as for your #2, it's that lone blogger that JBB is blowing.

[JBB]

The BISON MEDIA BLOG has picked the NDSU BISON to take the MVFC!! GO BISON!!!

Team: 1. NDSU (stout defensively and good RB). 2. Northern Iowa (has to travel to NDSU). 3. Southern Illinois (rebound year for Salukis). 4. Youngstown State (surprise team of the league). 5. Indiana State (Ronnie Fouch and decent players). 6. Illinois State (needs to find consistency on defense). 7. Western Illinois (lost QB Matt Barr). 8. SDSU (lost a ton of talent last two years). 9. Missouri State (see WIU, lost QB and also best receiver).

That is Jeff Kolpacks opinion!

[JBB]

You're just being ridiculous. Here is what the scholarship situation is all about.

WTF are you talking about? You brag about beating Montana when there was a 27 scholarship difference, but somehow are able to rationalize a SIXTY FIVE scholarship difference between you and your two cupcakes this year as being irrelevant?

You are **** priceless, dude.

Listen, Playing and beating Montana cost NDSU a playoff spot and a likely D2 national championship. There was little question they were the best team in D2 at the time. But, It was worth it. It was a huge win. Lafayette is like Cal-Davis when they played D2 with no scholarships. Their players were supported under the rules of the NCAA, but they did not receive an "Athletic Scholarship". I posted the difference already. They recruit players and those players get help with college. Pure and simple.

[DJH]

The BISON MEDIA BLOG has picked the NDSU BISON

Absolutely shocking!

[AZGrizFan]

WTF are you talking about? You brag about beating Montana when there was a 27 scholarship difference, but somehow are able to rationalize a SIXTY FIVE scholarship difference between you and your two cupcakes this year as being irrelevant?

You are **** priceless, dude.

Listen, Playing and beating Montana cost NDSU a playoff spot and a likely D2 national championship. There was little question they were the best team in D2 at the time. But, It was worth it. It was a huge win. Lafayette is like Cal-Davis when they played D2 with no scholarships. Their players were supported under the rules of the NCAA, but they did not receive an "Athletic Scholarship". I posted the difference already. They recruit players and those players get help with college. Pure and simple.

I'm going to go out on a very sturdy limb here and guess that your losses to Cal Davis, St. Cloud State and......wait for it........wait for it.........that's right...........the Fighting Sioux of NORTH DAKOTA did more to cost you a "playoff spot and a likely D2 national championship" in 2003 than your victory over Montana.

Holy Christ, this shit's so good, you can't make it up!!!!

[DJH]

Listen, Playing and beating Montana cost NDSU a playoff spot and a likely D2 national championship. There was little question they were the best team in D2 at the time. But, It was worth it. It was a huge win. Lafayette is like Cal-Davis when they played D2 with no scholarships. Their players were supported under the rules of the NCAA, but they did not receive an "Athletic Scholarship". I posted the difference already. They recruit players and those players get help with college. Pure and simple.

I'm going to go out on a very sturdy limb here and guess that your losses to Cal Davis, St. Cloud State and......wait for it........wait for it.........that's right...........the Fighting Sioux of NORTH DAKOTA did more to cost you a "playoff spot and a likely D2 national championship".

Holy Christ, this shit's so good, you can't make it up!!!!

LOL Its too good to be true.

[DJH]

[AZGrizFan]

And what's even funnier, is that (like last year when Montana's opponents went 0-10 the week after playing them) the Cal Davis game was the week after Montana....

[clenz]

And what's even funnier, is that (like last year when Montana's opponents went 0-10 the week after playing them) the Cal Davis game was the week after Montana....

I believe that's called "Knocking the stuffing out of them"

[AZGrizFan]

And what's even funnier, is that (like last year when Montana's opponents went 0-10 the week after playing them) the Cal Davis game was the week after Montana....

I believe that's called "Knocking the stuffing out of them"

Similar to what's happening to JBB throughout this thread.

[JBB]

Sure the 2003 team was up and down. When they were good, and beating Montana was very good, they were on top of the world. But they had their ups and downs and it came down to a tie-breaker for the playoff spot. The Montana game was thrown out and a weaker "D2 like" program was selected to go instead of NDSU. I think that was the real end of D2 football for NDSU: to be penalized for being good was just too much.