Pro-choicers, this pregnancy was in the 23rd week. That is every bit of 6 months. Do the pro-choicers here still believe it is not a human at 6 months? That's a bigger political issue I think. This had nothing to do with the health of the mother.travelinman67 wrote:Folks at the clinic should be tried for Capital Murder. Hard to even comprehend this happened.
Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion
By CHRISTINE ARMARIO
Associated Press Writer
http://www.buffalonews.com/260/story/570428.html
No health threat here...just someone who felt "...she didn't have the resources or maturity to raise a child".Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.
Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise get her ready for the procedure.
Only Renelique didn't arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.
What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic's owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant's umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.
Police recovered the decomposing remains in a cardboard box a week later after getting anonymous tips.
...Williams struggled with the decision to have an abortion, Pennekamp said. She declined an interview request made through him.
She concluded she didn't have the resources or maturity to raise a child, he said, and went to the Miramar Women's Center on July 17, 2006. Sonograms indicated she was 23 weeks pregnant, according to the Department of Health.
...The complaint says one of the clinic owners, Belkis Gonzalez came in and cut the umbilical cord with scissors, then placed the baby in a plastic bag, and the bag in a trash can.
Williams' lawsuit offers a cruder account: She says Gonzalez knocked the baby off the recliner chair where she had given birth, onto the floor. The baby's umbilical cord was not clamped, allowing her to bleed out. Gonzalez scooped the baby, placenta and afterbirth into a red plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.
...An autopsy determined Williams' baby - she named her Shanice - had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health.
That's why there's adoption.
Now, this chick definitely shouldn't be having a public funeral and all of a sudden giving two sh!ts about this baby. She wanted it dead to begin with, she got what she wanted. So, a lawsuit by her over the child is ridiculous, though a lawsuit for botched abortion procedures should be permissible.
The people like Alan Keyes going to the public funeral is a farce. They are just looking to keep their names in the news. If the planned abortion would have been to save the mother's life, I would support it 100%, but it wasn't. The abortion (especially at 6 months) for convenience is wrong...no two ways around it.
I agree with you D1B on one thing, if she had gone to PP (or a doctor) 9 months earlier, she would not have had to worry about it. But, she cares so much for "reproductive rights" that she didn't prepare for her "reproductive capabilities" so the result is a baby that was murdered, plain and simple.
I wouldn't use this case to argue Roe v. Wade, but I would use it to argue against second trimester convenience abortions. I think first trimester abortions are here to stay, I don't see that changing, but this woman being allowed to terminate her pregnancy 2/3 of the way through for convenience is wrong.
I'm not as fervent of a pro-lifer as some on here. And, I do believe in teaching protection. This case is a travesty, and should be a wake up call to both ideologies that it's time for civil talk/ debate/ solution.
Appa, I hear what you're saying too. Many pro-lifers in this country live our double standards (as do many pro-choicers). People who claim to be pro-life, but support capital punishment and are pro-war, are no better than the pro-choicers they rail against. I used to live that double standard, pro-life, pro-capital punishment. However, I saw the conflict and now I do not support the death penalty.
Nevertheless, being pro-life doesn't mean I am like some who take it to extremes. I always try to put myself in other people's shoes. If my wife was pregnant and we find out that delivering the baby would give a high probability that my wife would die, I would save my wife. No question. It's great that we have that ability. So, for that reason (amongst others) I would not outlaw abortion completely. However, a situation like the one in this case, I would.
) What the fuck ever? I am against the death penalty, I am against millions spent by our government in senseless wars just like the Founding Fathers were, and I am against the innocent killing of the unborn by this same dickweed government to seeks to turn us all into their mindless minions by promoting their anti-God, anti-family brand of new age enlightenment aka Obama communism by any means they deem fit. If that makes me a hatemonger, an asshole, a dickhead, whatever. I am living and AM WILLING TO DIE for what I believe in. None of you liberal peacenik fucks on this board can say that. You stand by and let this government fuck you and smile all the while. Not me and not millions of others like me.
