Eagles now Super Bowl Favorites?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

If I'm teams playing the Eagles I slam the ball on the ground at them. Our LB's aren't very good at all & we are thin at DT. Mike Patterson had a seizure on the field yesterday & has now been diagnosed with a brain condition - he won't be back for the start of the season. Good DE's, great CB's but DT, LB & safety are question marks.

Which is exactly what the Seahawks plan on doing this year with a revamped OL full of big, high draft picks and a Pro Bowl LG blocking for Beast Mode. That would be a fun upset. It's in Seattle too.

[BlueHen86]

Road to the NFC title goes through Green Bay.

Eagles will be one of the top challengers though.

I agree. Even with all the players that have chosen to "take their talents to South Philly", we know nothing about the Eagles team chemistry at this point. The Packers are proven winners.

[93henfan]

Road to the NFC title goes through Green Bay.

Eagles will be one of the top challengers though.

I agree. Even with all the players that have chosen to "take their talents to South Philly", we know nothing about the Eagles team chemistry at this point. The Packers are proven winners.

Agree on all points.

I also think it's really stupid for people to be calling the Eagles the Miami Heat of the NFL. The Heat have 60% of their starters as all-stars. Six of the Eagles projected starters (only 27%) made the Pro Bowl last year (Vick, D Jax, Jason Peters, Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel, and Jason Babin). It's not like picking up a few free agents makes you some kind of shoe-in.

[clenz]

Green Bay-Pats SB. Vick is not in the same league as those QB's.

With the talent that Philly has, he doesn't need to put up Rodgers or Brady numbers.

[dal4018]

With now signing Asomunga?

Everyone is talking about Nnamdi when I think ppl shouldn't sleep on the other acquistion the Eagles made Dominique Rodgers Cromartie.He's in a top media market and ppl will see why he was a first round selection in '08 #16th overall pick from Tennessee St.

[dal4018]

Green Bay-Pats SB. Vick is not in the same league as those QB's.

With the talent that Philly has, he doesn't need to put up Rodgers or Brady numbers.

I want to see Vick break through to the 4,000 club nobody in Eagles history has McNabb almost did coming up 84 yards short 3,916 before he left.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Green Bay-Pats SB. Vick is not in the same league as those QB's.

With the talent that Philly has, he doesn't need to put up Rodgers or Brady numbers.

On a lesser scale, this is exactly what I'm arguing when it comes to T-JAX being successful in Seattle for a year or two until we get a franchise QB. We have way too many sure-handed, big (6-4+) pro-bowl caliber targets, and barring injury on the OL, a run game to open up those targets. If anything, I think the threat of the passing game will open up the running game instead of the other way around. Give Beast Mode a little room, and watch out.

[clenz]

With the talent that Philly has, he doesn't need to put up Rodgers or Brady numbers.

On a lesser scale, this is exactly what I'm arguing when it comes to T-JAX being successful in Seattle for a year or two until we get a franchise QB. We have way too many sure-handed, big (6-4+) pro-bowl caliber targets, and barring injury on the OL, a run game to open up those targets. If anything, I think the threat of the passing game will open up the running game instead of the other way around. Give Beast Mode a little room, and watch out.

I'm telling you T-Jax isn't an answer for anything.

I've watched him in Minnesota, who had far more talent than Seattle does this year, and he still struggled like crazy.

It's one thing to only need to be a game manager, it's another when that is the best you can be...and that is on a good day.

[dal4018]

On a lesser scale, this is exactly what I'm arguing when it comes to T-JAX being successful in Seattle for a year or two until we get a franchise QB. We have way too many sure-handed, big (6-4+) pro-bowl caliber targets, and barring injury on the OL, a run game to open up those targets. If anything, I think the threat of the passing game will open up the running game instead of the other way around. Give Beast Mode a little room, and watch out.

I'm telling you T-Jax isn't an answer for anything.

I've watched him in Minnesota, who had far more talent than Seattle does this year, and he still struggled like crazy.

It's one thing to only need to be a game manager, it's another when that is the best you can be...and that is on a good day.

T-Jax was not the problem in Minnesota it was the ex-head coach Brad Childress and his conservative play calling.He would tell Jackson give the ball to Peterson in the first half and then ask Jackson to comeout slinging in the second half.He should have allowed Jackson to throw early and use play action instead.Also its not like Seattle has anyone besides Sidney Rice that scares anyone as a deep threat.

[clenz]

I'm telling you T-Jax isn't an answer for anything.

I've watched him in Minnesota, who had far more talent than Seattle does this year, and he still struggled like crazy.

It's one thing to only need to be a game manager, it's another when that is the best you can be...and that is on a good day.

T-Jax was not the problem in Minnesota it was the ex-head coach Brad Childress and his conservative play calling.He would tell Jackson give the ball to Peterson in the first half and then ask Jackson to comeout slinging in the second half.He should have allowed Jackson to throw early and use play action instead.Also its not like Seattle has anyone besides Sidney Rice that scares anyone as a deep threat.

Tough to use play action early in the game when the QB has zero respect from the defense because they know he can't throw.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I'm telling you T-Jax isn't an answer for anything.

I've watched him in Minnesota, who had far more talent than Seattle does this year, and he still struggled like crazy.

It's one thing to only need to be a game manager, it's another when that is the best you can be...and that is on a good day.

T-Jax was not the problem in Minnesota it was the ex-head coach Brad Childress and his conservative play calling.He would tell Jackson give the ball to Peterson in the first half and then ask Jackson to comeout slinging in the second half.He should have allowed Jackson to throw early and use play action instead.Also its not like Seattle has anyone besides Sidney Rice that scares anyone as a deep threat.

Mike Williams!?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

On a lesser scale, this is exactly what I'm arguing when it comes to T-JAX being successful in Seattle for a year or two until we get a franchise QB. We have way too many sure-handed, big (6-4+) pro-bowl caliber targets, and barring injury on the OL, a run game to open up those targets. If anything, I think the threat of the passing game will open up the running game instead of the other way around. Give Beast Mode a little room, and watch out.

I'm telling you T-Jax isn't an answer for anything.

I've watched him in Minnesota, who had far more talent than Seattle does this year, and he still struggled like crazy.

It's one thing to only need to be a game manager, it's another when that is the best you can be...and that is on a good day.

A college hat of the winner's choosing says that he puts up better numbers this year in Seattle than his average of his three worst years in Minnesota. Let me know what you want to gauge by in terms of stats... QB Rating (since they didn't have QBR before this year), TD/INT ratio, completion %, etc.

[clenz]

I'm telling you T-Jax isn't an answer for anything.

I've watched him in Minnesota, who had far more talent than Seattle does this year, and he still struggled like crazy.

It's one thing to only need to be a game manager, it's another when that is the best you can be...and that is on a good day.

A college hat of the winner's choosing says that he puts up better numbers this year in Seattle than his average of his three worst years in Minnesota. Let me know what you want to gauge by in terms of stats... QB Rating (since they didn't have QBR before this year), TD/INT ratio, completion %, etc.

I'm game for that, but judging it will be an issue.


Add his worst three years together and comparing those stats to this year is shakey at best.

You come up with a good scheme and I'll go for it. I'd love to have an EWU hat...didn't I already send you a UNI hat?

[93henfan]

Clenz just nonchalantly reminded SE that he's a hat deadbeat.

SE, just save all your calculations and send the man an EWU hat already.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

A college hat of the winner's choosing says that he puts up better numbers this year in Seattle than his average of his three worst years in Minnesota. Let me know what you want to gauge by in terms of stats... QB Rating (since they didn't have QBR before this year), TD/INT ratio, completion %, etc.

I'm game for that, but judging it will be an issue.


Add his worst three years together and comparing those stats to this year is shakey at best.

You come up with a good scheme and I'll go for it. I'd love to have an EWU hat...didn't I already send you a UNI hat?

Shirt from the Pick'em game.

Let's go with TD INT ratio. I'd venture to say that's the most important factor when judging a QB's season.

T-JAX worst 3 years for the Vikes:
06-07: 2 TDs, 4 INTs
07-08: 9 TDs, 12 INTs
10-11: 3 TDs, 4 INTs
___________________

14 TDs, 20 INTs = .7

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Clenz just nonchalantly reminded SE that he's a hat deadbeat.

SE, just save all your calculations and send the man an EWU hat already.

I have 3 hats.

He's gonna be sending me a hat. Not sure which team I want though.

[SDHornet]

Chargers...what's that you say, they didn't fire Norv Turner after missing the playoffs with one of the best offenses in the league and having one of the weakest schedules too...yeah scratch them off of the SB contender list. Fuck Norv Turner.

[clenz]

I'm game for that, but judging it will be an issue.


Add his worst three years together and comparing those stats to this year is shakey at best.

You come up with a good scheme and I'll go for it. I'd love to have an EWU hat...didn't I already send you a UNI hat?

Shirt from the Pick'em game.

Let's go with TD INT ratio. I'd venture to say that's the most important factor when judging a QB's season.

T-JAX worst 3 years for the Vikes:
06-07: 2 TDs, 4 INTs
07-08: 9 TDs, 12 INTs
10-11: 3 TDs, 4 INTs
___________________

14 TDs, 20 INTs = .7

I'dhope he could beat his worst three seasons....that isn't showing improvement.

Now, beating his best three seasons would be showing me something (not that those are much better than his worst three)

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Shirt from the Pick'em game.

Let's go with TD INT ratio. I'd venture to say that's the most important factor when judging a QB's season.

T-JAX worst 3 years for the Vikes:
06-07: 2 TDs, 4 INTs
07-08: 9 TDs, 12 INTs
10-11: 3 TDs, 4 INTs
___________________

14 TDs, 20 INTs = .7

I'dhope he could beat his worst three seasons....that isn't showing improvement.

Now, beating his best three seasons would be showing me something (not that those are much better than his worst three)

Depends on if you take his 08-09 season or his 10-11 season as both are a .75 TD-INT ratio (9/12 vs. 3/4). His QB rating is higher in 08-09, so if you take that his TD-INT ratio in his 3 best seasons there he is 19TDs to 14 INTs = 1.35, which I think will be comparable but not quite as bad as what he does this year in Seattle. I think he'll be like 23 TDs and 14 INTs this year.

[clenz]

If I'm going to agree to this, I'm only going to agree to grounds that I have a shot....a .7 TD/INT ratio gives me almost zero shot to win, so rightfully so I won't agree to that.

I have a couple ideas.

1. TD/INT ratio and QB rating above the league "average"

or

2. one of the two below league average if the other is at least one standard deviation above league average

[clenz]

So I did some looking.

Using the QBR from http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the average QBR from last season was 51.34. However, I feel the need to throw Jimmy Clausen out of that because of how far outside of the normal spectrum he was. He was at 11.7, the next worst was Brett Favre who was still at 25.8.

Doing that the average would be 52.66.


So, how about this....If T-Jax is above the average, with any obvious outliers taken out of consideration (i.e. people like Jimmy being 14 points worse than anyone else...we'll go over 10 from the next person thown out) I owe you a UNI hat.


Oh, and it's UNI hat only fucker, because I can get those dirt ass cheap with my job....okay, I can get a hat from any school in the country dirt ass cheap, but I have to order it in and we have UNI in stock.

I'll take a EWU t-shirt though if I win. I don't have anything to match a EWU hat

[Screamin_Eagle174]

So I did some looking.

Using the QBR from http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the average QBR from last season was 51.34. However, I feel the need to throw Jimmy Clausen out of that because of how far outside of the normal spectrum he was. He was at 11.7, the next worst was Brett Favre who was still at 25.8.

Doing that the average would be 52.66.


So, how about this....If T-Jax is above the average, with any obvious outliers taken out of consideration (i.e. people like Jimmy being 14 points worse than anyone else...we'll go over 10 from the next person thown out) I owe you a UNI hat.


Oh, and it's UNI hat only fucker, because I can get those dirt ass cheap with my job....okay, I can get a hat from any school in the country dirt ass cheap, but I have to order it in and we have UNI in stock.

I'll take a EWU t-shirt though if I win. I don't have anything to match a EWU hat

Throwing out the worst to up your chances huh? If you get to throw out Jimmy, then I get to throw out Tom Brady. And I don't know if I want a UNI hat... I'd rather have a Georgia Southern or App State hat.

[clenz]

If Brady was 10 over the nexr i would have. However Jimmy was so bad he couldnt stay in

[Screamin_Eagle174]

If Brady was 10 over the nexr i would have. However Jimmy was so bad he couldnt stay in

Then no deal. My contention was that TJ would be better than he was previously. Previously, he was a below average QB. I'm not going to bet that he'll become an above average QB. I don't think he will. He will be a great stop-gap until we draft a franchise QB.

Figure out his QBR for his 5 years in Minnesota, and I'll bet (with great confidence) that he'll post a better QBR with the Hawks this year.

[dal4018]

T-Jax was not the problem in Minnesota it was the ex-head coach Brad Childress and his conservative play calling.He would tell Jackson give the ball to Peterson in the first half and then ask Jackson to comeout slinging in the second half.He should have allowed Jackson to throw early and use play action instead.Also its not like Seattle has anyone besides Sidney Rice that scares anyone as a deep threat.

Tough to use play action early in the game when the QB has zero respect from the defense because they know he can't throw.

T-JAX could throw as stated before Childress play calling left a lot to be desired you don't use your running game in the first half and your trailing then you expect tour QB to come out throwing in the 2nd half and everyone knows you half to.You put him in a position to succeed by throwing in the first half then use the threat of a running game.Jax has just as a stronger arm as anyone in the NFL.Too bad his ex-coach didn't allow him to exploit his talent would not have had a need for Farve.