Health Care Is An Inalienable Right!

[Purple For Life]

Fukc government health care. You work hard, live smart and make good decisions - you survive. If you don't, you die. We have enough people on the planet.

Invaribly those who would be on the government tab would be the fukcs who smoke, eat too much, have diabetes, the lazy and fukcheads who sue everyone.

What the government should be doing is encouraging healthy living.

Well, I'm none of those, and I'd certainly be on government insurance at the moment. What of that?

Oh, and I'd rather eat fruit than potato chips.

[clenz]

Socialized medicine is working well in Britain ......


Read some of the horror stories about how countries with socialized medicine have horrible care, and it takes MONTHS to get EMERGENCY care

[Wedgebuster]

Socialized medicine is working well in Britain ......


Read some of the horror stories about how countries with socialized medicine have horrible care, and it takes MONTHS to get EMERGENCY care

That is the key word there, and we have scads of horror stories about the misgivings of our health industry for the world to see as well.

This is not spin clenz, but capitalized health care is not working either. Health care costs are vastly out pacing wages, especially now, and the number of uninsured is going up by millions as we post. When folks are uninsured, they either have to have care refused, or pass the cost on to those who do have insurance, causing a vicious cycle to spin even faster.

A health care industry where Doctors, Hospitals, clinics, health insurance companies, malpractice insurers and attorneys are all focused on maximizing profits is putting the real mission of providing citizens with health care on the back burner, or even further.

You are a bright idealistic young man, but when you get out of school affordability of our health care system is going to be a huge shock for you, unless of course, you are going to be a doctor, malpractice attorney, or health insurance executive.

[D1B]

Fukc government health care. You work hard, live smart and make good decisions - you survive. If you don't, you die. We have enough people on the planet.

Invaribly those who would be on the government tab would be the fukcs who smoke, eat too much, have diabetes, the lazy and fukcheads who sue everyone.

What the government should be doing is encouraging healthy living.

Well, I'm none of those, and I'd certainly be on government insurance at the moment. What of that?

Oh, and I'd rather eat fruit than potato chips.

Listen sister, I was exaggerating a bit. The key is to find a half way. I would be fine with a government sponsored health initiative for people like you - working and going to school and getting good grades. I just don't want any part of a program that pays for heathcare for smokers, Jerry Springer viewers, the chronically unemployed, degenerates and lazy fukcs.

Wedge is right. The current (profit at all cost) system is too expensive for many people and businesses. The government, as a purchaser of services, has much bargaining power to make it affordable for those who choose to participate.

Those who rail bout the government not having the capacity to effectively administer such programs can thank Reagan and the successive line of republican idiots who followed him. They, in line with their "less government" mantra essentially gutted goverment of quality people interested in public service and replaced them with hack and cronies solely interested in self advancement. Governement can be better, and it's here where I think Obama will do a better job. He already has.

[clenz]

Socialized medicine is working well in Britain ......


Read some of the horror stories about how countries with socialized medicine have horrible care, and it takes MONTHS to get EMERGENCY care

That is the key word there, and we have scads of horror stories about the misgivings of our health industry for the world to see as well.

This is not spin clenz, but capitalized health care is not working either. Health care costs are vastly out pacing wages, especially now, and the number of uninsured is going up by millions as we post. When folks are uninsured, they either have to have care refused, or pass the cost on to those who do have insurance, causing a vicious cycle to spin even faster.

A health care industry where Doctors, Hospitals, clinics, health insurance companies, malpractice insurers and attorneys are all focused on maximizing profits is putting the real mission of providing citizens with health care on the back burner, or even further.

You are a bright idealistic young man, but when you get out of school affordability of our health care system is going to be a huge shock for you, unless of course, you are going to be a doctor, malpractice attorney, or health insurance executive.

I'm not debating our system isn't flawed right now. I know it is. I don't have to wait to get out of school. As of July 11, 2009 I am no longer on my parents insurance. I won't technically graduate until August of 2010, pending a completed internship. I'm looking at health care plans right now. Thankfully I can get insurance through UNI at about $130 a month, as would my wife. After I graduate though I no longer get the UNI student price and would have to jump on her insurance through UNI, assuming I don't get decent health insurance through my job (not likely in the Family Service field), it would be $375 a month for us.


Socialized medicine looks great on paper, Ill give you that. Socialism, in general, appears great on paper. So does parts of communism, yet look how many countries that have tried communism, fascism, socialism, etc... have actually succeeded and are still around. Then, not just around, but a major power in the world.


I agree 100% that something needs to be done, but socializing health care and making it government run is NOT the way to do it. I don't know what is, but I don't want to wait 9-12 months for emergency care like they do in parts of Europe.

[D1B]

That is the key word there, and we have scads of horror stories about the misgivings of our health industry for the world to see as well.

This is not spin clenz, but capitalized health care is not working either. Health care costs are vastly out pacing wages, especially now, and the number of uninsured is going up by millions as we post. When folks are uninsured, they either have to have care refused, or pass the cost on to those who do have insurance, causing a vicious cycle to spin even faster.

A health care industry where Doctors, Hospitals, clinics, health insurance companies, malpractice insurers and attorneys are all focused on maximizing profits is putting the real mission of providing citizens with health care on the back burner, or even further.

You are a bright idealistic young man, but when you get out of school affordability of our health care system is going to be a huge shock for you, unless of course, you are going to be a doctor, malpractice attorney, or health insurance executive.

I'm not debating our system isn't flawed right now. I know it is. I don't have to wait to get out of school. As of July 11, 2009 I am no longer on my parents insurance. I won't technically graduate until August of 2010, pending a completed internship. I'm looking at health care plans right now. Thankfully I can get insurance through UNI at about $130 a month, as would my wife. After I graduate though I no longer get the UNI student price and would have to jump on her insurance through UNI, assuming I don't get decent health insurance through my job (not likely in the Family Service field), it would be $375 a month for us.


Socialized medicine looks great on paper, Ill give you that. Socialism, in general, appears great on paper. So does parts of communism, yet look how many countries that have tried communism, fascism, socialism, etc... have actually succeeded and are still around. Then, not just around, but a major power in the world.


I agree 100% that something needs to be done, but socializing health care and making it government run is NOT the way to do it. I don't know what is, but I don't want to wait 9-12 months for emergency care like they do in parts of Europe.

I'm sick and tired of the slippery slope bullshit that if the government dabbles in socialist programs, we're doomed to communism and fascism. Additionally, subscribers to this illogic NEVER seem to deem a system communist when money is given hand over foot to capitalist industry. Grow up for christ's sake.

There is no such thing as an effective pure system of government. Any pure system has inherent flaws. We've witnessed the massive disaster of pure capitalism (socialism purely to benifit corporations) under Bush and historically we've seen the flaws of others. The key is to find balance and employ the useful aspects of both. Our problems throughout history have come about when one (usually free market capitalism) becomes dominant.

[dbackjon]

Excellent post, D1B

[clenz]

I'm not debating our system isn't flawed right now. I know it is. I don't have to wait to get out of school. As of July 11, 2009 I am no longer on my parents insurance. I won't technically graduate until August of 2010, pending a completed internship. I'm looking at health care plans right now. Thankfully I can get insurance through UNI at about $130 a month, as would my wife. After I graduate though I no longer get the UNI student price and would have to jump on her insurance through UNI, assuming I don't get decent health insurance through my job (not likely in the Family Service field), it would be $375 a month for us.


Socialized medicine looks great on paper, Ill give you that. Socialism, in general, appears great on paper. So does parts of communism, yet look how many countries that have tried communism, fascism, socialism, etc... have actually succeeded and are still around. Then, not just around, but a major power in the world.


I agree 100% that something needs to be done, but socializing health care and making it government run is NOT the way to do it. I don't know what is, but I don't want to wait 9-12 months for emergency care like they do in parts of Europe.

I didn't mean to piss you off by any means. I'm just not a fan of government involvement. I like small government, and the government running my health care isn't somethin I really want.


I'm sick and tired of the slippery slope bullshit that if the government dabbles in socialist programs, we're doomed to communism and fascism. Additionally, subscribers to this illogic NEVER seem to deem a system communist when money is given hand over foot to capitalist industry. Grow up for christ's sake.

There is no such thing as an effective pure system of government. Any pure system has inherent flaws. We've witnessed the massive disaster of pure capitalism (socialism purely to benifit corporations) under Bush and historically we've seen the flaws of others. The key is to find balance and employ the useful aspects of both. Our problems throughout history have come about when one (usually free market capitalism) becomes dominant.