Big Sky Conference and addition of new teams

jimmyptubas · Post by **jimmyptubas** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:23 pm

I am just wondering how the BSC will continue to work it's scheduling after both UND, Cal Poly and UC-Davis, join the football ranks next season. Will they split into divisions, or will they work out some rotating schedule because clearly not everyone will be able to play everyone when there are 11 (or 13 ) teams. Does anyone know their plans?

Post by **EWURanger** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:34 pm

rotating schedule until the conference goes to 14 teams....

grizcountry420 · Post by **grizcountry420** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:37 pm

Here is a link to the Schedule: http://www.bigskyconf.com/documents/201 ... df?id=1619" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Rivals

School Rivals
UC Davis Sacramento State, Cal Poly
Cal Poly UC Davis, Sacramento State
Eastern Washington Portland State, Montana
Idaho State Weber State, Portland State
Montana Eastern Washington, Montana State
Montana State Montana, North Dakota
North Dakota Northern Colorado, Montana State
Northern Arizona Southern Utah, Northern Colorado
Northern Colorado North Dakota, Northern Arizona
Portland State Eastern Washington, Idaho State
Sacramento State UC Davis, Cal Poly
Southern Utah Northern Arizona, Weber State
Weber State Idaho State, Southern Utah

CatMan · Post by **CatMan** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:41 pm

from what i understand is that when we get 14th team,(SUU, UND, UCD, CP make 13) they will split the division north and south. it was a while back that i heard that and i cant remember where but it sounded reasonable.

Darell1976 · Post by **Darell1976** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:05 pm

CatMan wrote:from what i understand is that when we get 14th team,(SUU, UND, UCD, CP make 13) they will split the division north and south. it was a while back that i heard that and i cant remember where but it sounded reasonable.

I can see that. Just like the Big 10 split with Nebraska joining. I do wish UND could play Montana and Montana State every year, but I guess they go with the geography and already applied rivals (UND-UNC former NCC foes).

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:40 pm

North and South dividing line seem logical like this:

North 6
South 7

Are we really adding one more school and who is it? A non DI to move up or a supposed FBS moving down? San Jose/Idaho. Too bad San Diego can't be the next school.

Looks like Big Sky dropped the ball not making UND/USD a package deal. Letting one in and not both seems really bad. No offense UND fans but I'm sure you can see my point.

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:43 pm

Is there still a chance PSU or Sac moves to the WAC? That would make it 12 teams.

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:38 pm

weberwildcat wrote:Is there still a chance PSU or Sac moves to the WAC? That would make it 12 teams.

[Bleep] no!

JALMOND · Post by **JALMOND** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:55 pm

weberwildcat wrote:North and South dividing line seem logical like this:

North 6
South 7

Not as much as the West and the East:

West:
EWU
PSU
Sac
UCD
CP
NAU
SUU

East
UM
MSU
ISU
WSU
UNC
UND

The West follows the same footprint as the old Pac-10, what the casual DI football fan in that region can relate to. Having the 4 original Big Sky members in the East ensures established, long standing rivalries will stay the same.

lakesbison · Post by **lakesbison** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:58 pm

Firts off, jimmy why,the hell would you start this or care??

When big fluffy realizes how messed up unds nickname is and travel costs, theyll get back to an even number

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:33 pm

lakesbison wrote:Firts off, jimmy why,the hell would you start this or care??

When big fluffy realizes how messed up unds nickname is and travel costs, theyll get back to an even number

Christ on a crutch, you are fucking incorrigible. It's DONE. Get over it. It's a legitimate thread and it just fucking KILLS you that there's a thread that doesn't involve the fucking bison.

Get over yourself. Your act has grown tiresome.

CPAlum · Post by **CPAlum** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:07 am

3 comments

The Big Sky should invite Humboldt State. Great programs and a very good school... Good geographical fit nice stadium.

The Big Sky should not invite U of San Diego. Poor facility, not competitive, zero interest a poor fit. I live in San Diego and I have no idea why folk keep saying this would be a good add? It is a good academic school and that is about it.

Last I'd like to propose a moratorium on NDSU hijacked threads.

Darell1976 · Post by **Darell1976** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:17 am

weberwildcat wrote:North and South dividing line seem logical like this:

North 6
South 7

Are we really adding one more school and who is it? A non DI to move up or a supposed FBS moving down? San Jose/Idaho. Too bad San Diego can't be the next school.

Looks like Big Sky dropped the ball not making UND/USD a package deal. Letting one in and not both seems really bad. No offense UND fans but I'm sure you can see my point.

None taken, yes Fullerton did drop the ball on the USD thing. Can a team from the NAIA jump to DI? Or do you have to be a DII team?

Wildcat Ryan · Post by **Wildcat Ryan** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:22 am

Im telling you its most likely gonna be Utah Valley or Idaho, the reason its taking so long is probably that UVU and the Big SKy are working on agreements to start a football program and see if it is possible, and as soon as it is, they will get an invite and take it.

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:22 am

Why in the heck would Foolerton accept a football startup program, particularly one which is a glorified juco? A D-II callup in the right spot would make more sense. And that means San Diego, Humboldt, Central Washington, or the one in CO I've been forbidden from mentioning.

Darell1976 · Post by **Darell1976** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:40 am

SuperHornet wrote:Why in the heck would Foolerton accept a football startup program, particularly one which is a glorified juco? A D-II callup in the right spot would make more sense. And that means San Diego, Humboldt, Central Washington, or the one in CO I've been forbidden from mentioning.

UND has played Humboldt, and Central Washington, so its not like they are strangers to us. I wonder if Central Wash would be more of a rival to EWU than Montana?

Wildcat Ryan · Post by **Wildcat Ryan** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:45 am

SuperHornet wrote:Why in the heck would Foolerton accept a football startup program, particularly one which is a glorified juco? A D-II callup in the right spot would make more sense. And that means San Diego, Humboldt, Central Washington, or the one in CO I've been forbidden from mentioning.

UVU is already DI in hoops, and NO Big Sky team including Weber has ever beaten UVU @ UVU, not bad for the little "juco".

UVU just seems like the better fit to me, Centered in geographically, and an already decent Hoops program with an 8,500 seat arena. They may be a startup, but they have a lot of students, and potential.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:31 am

Utah Valley has been D-1 for several years now. They play most Big Sky schools in the olympic sports and are competitive. Their enrollment is huge-similar in size to Portland State and Sac State.

They were turned down by the WAC when the WAC added Seattle-reportedly because Utah State blocked them.

An odd number of members is not as big of a deal for football, but a pain in the neck for the other sports so I can see the appeal of getting a 12th all sports member. I''m sure football has to be part of the equation though. A school that doesn't have football and puts all their resources in other sports could have a big advantage in a league like the Big Sky.

I think Idaho is the desired option, but UVU might be plan B. I also think any of the D-2's in the west-whether in the GNAC or the RMAC are not viable options-most small schools in smaller towns with pretty limited potential. Dixie State in St. George might be the exception-but their addition could really hurt SUU. The D-2 school with the most potential is Simon Fraser near Vancouver BC, but the NCAA won't allow Canadian teams in D-1.

grizcountry420 · Post by **grizcountry420** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:39 am

Darell1976 wrote:
UND has played Humboldt, and Central Washington, so its not like they are strangers to us. I wonder if Central Wash would be more of a rival to EWU than Montana?

Montana and Eastern WA has turned out to be a great rivalry.. Central WA has had some good teams but nothing in comparison to UM and EWU.. Montana looks at EWU no different than they would look at Mont St.. Both are great rivalries.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:13 am

SuperHornet wrote:Why in the heck would Foolerton accept a football startup program, particularly one which is a glorified juco? A D-II callup in the right spot would make more sense. And that means San Diego, Humboldt, Central Washington, or the one in CO I've been forbidden from mentioning.

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:23 am

grizcountry420 wrote:
Darell1976 wrote:
UND has played Humboldt, and Central Washington, so its not like they are strangers to us. I wonder if Central Wash would be more of a rival to EWU than Montana?

Montana and Eastern WA has turned out to be a great rivalry.. Central WA has had some good teams but nothing in comparison to UM and EWU.. Montana looks at EWU no different than they would look at Mont St.. Both are great rivalries.

Ummm...wrong.

grizcountry420 · Post by **grizcountry420** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:51 am

Grizalltheway wrote:
grizcountry420 wrote:

Montana and Eastern WA has turned out to be a great rivalry.. Central WA has had some good teams but nothing in comparison to UM and EWU.. Montana looks at EWU no different than they would look at Mont St.. Both are great rivalries.
Ummm...wrong.

Your a D-Bag!! Were not like Mont St who thinks that its the most important game every season but this year it will be very important to us..

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:02 am

Wildcat Ryan wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:Why in the heck would Foolerton accept a football startup program, particularly one which is a glorified juco? A D-II callup in the right spot would make more sense. And that means San Diego, Humboldt, Central Washington, or the one in CO I've been forbidden from mentioning.

UVU is already DI in hoops, and NO Big Sky team including Weber has ever beaten UVU @ UVU, not bad for the little "juco".

UVU just seems like the better fit to me, Centered in geographically, and an already decent Hoops program with an 8,500 seat arena. They may be a startup, but they have a lot of students, and potential.

but weber has only played 2 times at UVU and it was 2005 and 2006. 06 was one of the worst teams in wsu history. we will likely play them in 2013-14. hopefully it will be a home and home in the same season.

Post by **EWURanger** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:03 am

Montana and Eastern has developed a nice healthy rivalry but probably not on the same lines as UM-MSU.

I'm not real big on adding any of the GNAC schools - I agree with Cats comments above that they are all mostly small schools in small towns not really close to any sizable population base. The only two viable options from the GNAC are probably Central Washington and Humboldt State. I don't know what CWU's plans are in regards to athletics, but don't expect them to move up. They don't have facilities currently and are located in Ellensburg, a town in the middle of the state not close to any major cities.

I don't know a lot about Humboldt State, although they seem to have ok facilities. Small-ish at 7k, but could easily be expanded by adding end zone seating to bring it to 10k or so.

What about Colorado-Mesa? They have an enrollment of around 9,000 and seem to have somewhat decent facilities. Last year there was an approval to put 8 million into Stocker Stadium.

In reality, I think that the Big Sky needs to be targeting Idaho or San Jose State. Either would be a good fit. I think this is all going to boil down to what happens with the MWC/WAC.

As far as Divisions, I would rather see the Conference split into Pacific/Mountain Divisions - 6 Divisional games, plus play two from the other Divisions.....to include guaranteed "rivalry" games.

Pacific Division
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Cal-Poly
UC-Davis
Idaho* or Humboldt State
Northern Arizona

Mountain Division
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
Weber State
Idaho State
Southern Utah
Northern Colorado

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:09 am

big sky should do NOTHING if it means creating a DI school. If there is a drop down, take them. do not force it. it will be a waste of time. we dont NEED 14 schools. are the current 13 stable and planning to stay long term? we dont even know this.

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