Joe Paterno

[bluehenbillk]

With the (in)action that the Penn State BOT took last night saying they are setting up an investigative committee & that the Governor will be at the Board meeting on Friday, I am now leaning back to my original sentiment that Joe will finish the season & then be gone.

It was pretty evident yesterday that everyone's assumptions about JoePa were correct - he's the HC of PSU in name only nowadays. What FBS HC do you know spends the day at home - ducks out around 2pm to goto practice & then is back home by 6pm. That's like a 4 hour workday. Most HC's are doing about triple that, if not more.

[CitadelGrad]

I can't get over this..

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How out of touch with reality can people be? Seriously the school and football program is in the middle of an epic scandal where who knows how many people were sexually assaulted by a former assistant coach and it looks like a homecoming rally is going on outside of JoePa's house.

I think there are a couple of things at work here. First, the students did not go to Joe's house to give their unconditional support. I think they are angry that all the media focus is on Paterno, while the Second Mile Foundation, child protective services, law enforcement agencies, the district attorney's office and Spanier are getting no attention. There are many people and organizations/agencies who are culpable, but it is Paterno who is taking the brunt of this. Second, I think the students know Paterno is gone. Their presence at his house was a way of saying goobye to him.

[Wedgebuster]

Tom Ridge takes over PSU by Friday.

Duct tape and plastic wrap reported in short supply at local stores..

[bluehenbillk]

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Reports surfacing from numerous sources that Paterno to announce retirement at some point today - wants to finish season.

[bluehenbillk]

http://bwi.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1290912" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's official - statement from horses mouth.

[dbackjon]

http://bwi.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1290912

It's official - statement from horses mouth.

He shouldn't have that option.

[clenz]

http://bwi.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1290912

It's official - statement from horses mouth.

He shouldn't have that option.

No one involved with the case should have that option.

Their only option should be...."Do you want to take it like a man, or are you going to make me work for it" from their cell mate....and even that might be too good.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Paterno was always a hero to me... this is disgusting...

he shouldn't be allowed to retire. i hate to say this - he, and everyone else... need to be fired. while Sandusky is innocent until proven guilty, the crime here is bad enough. the cover up by all of these people is in my opinion almost worse...

[clenz]

Paterno was always a hero to me... this is disgusting...

he shouldn't be allowed to retire. i hate to say this - he, and everyone else... need to be fired. while Sandusky is innocent until proven guilty, the crime here is bad enough. the cover up by all of these people is in my opinion almost worse...

99.9% of the time the cover up is worse than the crime.

[SDHornet]

Yahoo!’s Wetzel had a lawyer on his weekly podcast. The lawyer basically compared this to all the Catholic Church scandals wrt to trying to cover up the tracks of a predator. This is going to cost PSU and those individuals hundreds of millions as a lot of people will be on the hook for civil suits in this one.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/n ... cast110811

It’s absolutely sickening that people knew about this and did nothing. Fucking sickening.

[Wedgebuster]

Soon to be known as "Go Pa."

[D1B]

Paterno was always a hero to me... this is disgusting...

he shouldn't be allowed to retire. i hate to say this - he, and everyone else... need to be fired. while Sandusky is innocent until proven guilty, the crime here is bad enough. the cover up by all of these people is in my opinion almost worse...

Just like the catholics. Why does the fucking pope still get to wear the funny hat? He should be in jail too.

[Skjellyfetti]

How out of touch with reality can people be? Seriously the school and football program is in the middle of an epic scandal where who knows how many people were sexually assaulted by a former assistant coach and it looks like a homecoming rally is going on outside of JoePa's house.

And if a victim showed up... they would probably boo him.

[JoltinJoe]

Paterno was always a hero to me... this is disgusting...

he shouldn't be allowed to retire. i hate to say this - he, and everyone else... need to be fired. while Sandusky is innocent until proven guilty, the crime here is bad enough. the cover up by all of these people is in my opinion almost worse...

Just like the catholics. Why does the **** pope still get to wear the funny hat? He should be in jail too.

Well, you show your true colors in this thread, don't you? Everyone who has commented in this thread has demonstrated concern about the victims of these incidents. You have posted twice, both times mentioning the Catholic Church. I've known all along that you don't give a hoot about the victims; that you frequent commentary is driven by your bigotry and your prejudices against Catholics.

Paterno got what was coming to him, just like Cardinal Law, and other Catholic bishops, unfortunately too numerous to mention, who put preserving the institution ahead of doing the right thing. And while Paterno's hands are nowhere nearly as dirty as Law's, his ouster sends the message to others "that business as usual" and the traditional "sweep it under the rug and be quiet" reactions do not meet appropriate standards of decency.

I've always liked Paterno, and I'm sure his moral culpability in this matter is probably not what his worst and vocal detractors presently depict, but still, he simply did not do enough, and I think that fact is obvious at the moment.

[andy7171]

Ugh. I just read the grand jury statement. Yuck.

Page 20, the police wire tapped him and then told him "Not to do it again." WTF!?!

[D1B]

Just like the catholics. Why does the **** pope still get to wear the funny hat? He should be in jail too.

Well, you show your true colors in this thread, don't you? Everyone who has commented in this thread has demonstrated concern about the victims of these incidents. You have posted twice, both times mentioning the Catholic Church. I've known all along that you don't give a hoot about the victims; that you frequent commentary is driven by your bigotry and your prejudices against Catholics.

Paterno got what was coming to him, just like Cardinal Law, and other Catholic bishops, unfortunately too numerous to mention, who put preserving the institution ahead of doing the right thing. And while Paterno's hands are nowhere nearly as dirty as Law's, his ouster sends the message to others "that business as usual" and the traditional "sweep it under the rug and be quiet" reactions do not meet appropriate standards of decency.

I've always liked Paterno, and I'm sure his moral culpability in this matter is probably not what his worst and vocal detractors presently depict, but still, he simply did not do enough, and I think that fact is obvious at the moment.

Uhhhhhh, Cardinal Law is still working for the pope, Joe:

With his Dec. 13 resignation in Rome, Cardinal Bernard Law may appear to have closed the book on his stormy tenure as archbishop of Boston. The reality, however, is that the story is far from finished, either for Law or for Boston.

For Law himself the question now seems to be “What’s next?” For Boston, however, it’s more like “Who’s next?”

One looming question for Law is whether his resignation as archbishop will satisfy critics, or whether new demands will arise that he also renounce his membership in the College of Cardinals. (Law’s Dec. 13 resignation concerned only his role as head of the church in Boston; hence he remains a cardinal, bishop and priest in good standing.)

As a cardinal, Law continues to be a member of several congregations, the key decision-making organs of the Vatican, which handle matters related to the sexual abuse crisis. They include:

The Congregation for Bishops, which recommends new bishops to the pope and oversees the performance of bishops and bishops’ conferences;
The Congregation for Clergy, which handles clerical discipline and oversees the financial management of dioceses (including the prospect of bankruptcy);
The Congregation for Consecrated Life, which has the same responsibility for religious orders;
The Congregation for Catholic Education, which oversees seminaries and priestly formation;
The Congregation for Divine Worship, which handles cases of laicization of priests.

Law’s membership means that, at least theoretically, he could still be involved in setting Vatican policy on sex abuse issues. Perhaps most controversially, his membership in the Congregation for Bishops means that he could actually have a vote in the selection of his own successor in the Boston archdiocese.

Speaking on background, a Vatican official told NCR Dec. 16 that while Law would not be asked to resign these positions, there was an informal understanding that he would not participate when issues related to Boston or the sex abuse crisis arise.

That may not be enough to satisfy victims, according to David Clohessy of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, a victims’ rights group in the United States.

“If he wants to show he’s contrite, to persuade us that he really understands the depth of this crisis, he should resign across the board,” Clohessy told NCR Dec. 17. Clohessy said his group may send a letter to Pope John Paul II asking for Law’s resignation as a cardinal.

The Vatican official told NCR that demands for Law to give up his red hat amount to a “true persecution” of the cardinal that should be denounced, a characterization Clohessy rejected.

“This is not about punishing an individual, but about sending a message of hope and healing to thousands of individuals,” he said. “Law has done the bare minimum to escape this crisis.”

I have great concern for the victims, so much so that I'm the only person here willing to take on monsters like the catholic church and you. Your lies and half truths and exaggeration and disregard for the millions of children molested by your church is breathtaking.

Kudos to Penn State (secular organization) for taking the high road and terminating those responsible, from the top down. Hopefully the catholics will wake up, become moral, and do the same.

[JoltinJoe]

Well, you show your true colors in this thread, don't you? Everyone who has commented in this thread has demonstrated concern about the victims of these incidents. You have posted twice, both times mentioning the Catholic Church. I've known all along that you don't give a hoot about the victims; that you frequent commentary is driven by your bigotry and your prejudices against Catholics.

Paterno got what was coming to him, just like Cardinal Law, and other Catholic bishops, unfortunately too numerous to mention, who put preserving the institution ahead of doing the right thing. And while Paterno's hands are nowhere nearly as dirty as Law's, his ouster sends the message to others "that business as usual" and the traditional "sweep it under the rug and be quiet" reactions do not meet appropriate standards of decency.

I've always liked Paterno, and I'm sure his moral culpability in this matter is probably not what his worst and vocal detractors presently depict, but still, he simply did not do enough, and I think that fact is obvious at the moment.

Uhhhhhh, Cardinal Law is still working for the pope, Joe:

With his Dec. 13 resignation in Rome, Cardinal Bernard Law may appear to have closed the book on his stormy tenure as archbishop of Boston. The reality, however, is that the story is far from finished, either for Law or for Boston.

For Law himself the question now seems to be “What’s next?” For Boston, however, it’s more like “Who’s next?”

One looming question for Law is whether his resignation as archbishop will satisfy critics, or whether new demands will arise that he also renounce his membership in the College of Cardinals. (Law’s Dec. 13 resignation concerned only his role as head of the church in Boston; hence he remains a cardinal, bishop and priest in good standing.)

As a cardinal, Law continues to be a member of several congregations, the key decision-making organs of the Vatican, which handle matters related to the sexual abuse crisis. They include:

The Congregation for Bishops, which recommends new bishops to the pope and oversees the performance of bishops and bishops’ conferences;
The Congregation for Clergy, which handles clerical discipline and oversees the financial management of dioceses (including the prospect of bankruptcy);
The Congregation for Consecrated Life, which has the same responsibility for religious orders;
The Congregation for Catholic Education, which oversees seminaries and priestly formation;
The Congregation for Divine Worship, which handles cases of laicization of priests.

Law’s membership means that, at least theoretically, he could still be involved in setting Vatican policy on sex abuse issues. Perhaps most controversially, his membership in the Congregation for Bishops means that he could actually have a vote in the selection of his own successor in the Boston archdiocese.

Speaking on background, a Vatican official told NCR Dec. 16 that while Law would not be asked to resign these positions, there was an informal understanding that he would not participate when issues related to Boston or the sex abuse crisis arise.

That may not be enough to satisfy victims, according to David Clohessy of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, a victims’ rights group in the United States.

“If he wants to show he’s contrite, to persuade us that he really understands the depth of this crisis, he should resign across the board,” Clohessy told NCR Dec. 17. Clohessy said his group may send a letter to Pope John Paul II asking for Law’s resignation as a cardinal.

The Vatican official told NCR that demands for Law to give up his red hat amount to a “true persecution” of the cardinal that should be denounced, a characterization Clohessy rejected.

“This is not about punishing an individual, but about sending a message of hope and healing to thousands of individuals,” he said. “Law has done the bare minimum to escape this crisis.”

I have great concern for the victims, so much so that I'm the only person here willing to take on monsters like the catholic church and you. Your lies and half truths and exaggeration and disregard for the millions of children molested by your church is breathtaking.

Kudos to Penn State (secular organization) for taking the high road and terminating those responsible, from the top down. Hopefully the catholics will wake up, become moral, and do the same.

Your information is outdated (sometime from early 2003). Law has no ecclesiastical standing at all any more. He is archpriest for a basilica in Rome, which is a ceremonial position. Even before he turned 80, Law began a practice of recusing himself from ecclesiastical matters -- due to protests of the Catholic laity.

[YoUDeeMan]

Your information is outdated (sometime from early 2003). Law has no ecclesiastical standing at all any more. He is archpriest for a basilica in Rome, which is a ceremonial position. Even before he turned 80, Law began a practice of recusing himself from ecclesiastical matters -- due to protests of the Catholic laity.

I don't want to get in the middle of you two love birds, but why in God's name does he even have a ceremonial position?

[D1B]

Uhhhhhh, Cardinal Law is still working for the pope, Joe:



I have great concern for the victims, so much so that I'm the only person here willing to take on monsters like the catholic church and you. Your lies and half truths and exaggeration and disregard for the millions of children molested by your church is breathtaking.

Kudos to Penn State (secular organization) for taking the high road and terminating those responsible, from the top down. Hopefully the catholics will wake up, become moral, and do the same.

Your information is outdated (sometime from early 2003). Law has no ecclesiastical standing at all any more. He is archpriest for a basilica in Rome, which is a ceremonial position. Even before he turned 80, Law began a practice of recusing himself from ecclesiastical matters -- due to protests of the Catholic laity.

Joe, this is why we all hate you: You're making excuses - again.

He should have been in jail. Now he's fucking Italian altar boys and smoking opium in Rome.

[D1B]

Your information is outdated (sometime from early 2003). Law has no ecclesiastical standing at all any more. He is archpriest for a basilica in Rome, which is a ceremonial position. Even before he turned 80, Law began a practice of recusing himself from ecclesiastical matters -- due to protests of the Catholic laity.

I don't want to get in the middle of you two love birds, but why in God's name does he even have a ceremonial position?

They don't want to lose a good "company man." Law is one of the best.

[89Hen]

Joe, this is why we all hate you:

You speak for everyone in your apartment.

[JoltinJoe]

Your information is outdated (sometime from early 2003). Law has no ecclesiastical standing at all any more. He is archpriest for a basilica in Rome, which is a ceremonial position. Even before he turned 80, Law began a practice of recusing himself from ecclesiastical matters -- due to protests of the Catholic laity.

I don't want to get in the middle of you two love birds, but why in God's name does he even have a ceremonial position?

Cardinal Law failed in his leadership on the child abuse issue, but to many in the Church he is also remembered as a valiant fighter for civil rights who set a brave example for Catholics to stand up for the rights of African-Americans. Law often faced death threats to lead marches in hostile areas, walking arm-in-arm with many of the historic leaders of the civil rights movement. You should read up on him. His fall in Boston was particularly painful for American Catholics, because he had enormous stature in the American Church because of his leadership on civil rights. He was probably the most significant Church figure in America at the time of his fall, because of his involvement in the civil rights movement.

I don't think a ceremonial role is problematic, in light of the above. Even the DA in Mass indicated that Law broke no laws and cooperated in all investigations. So you have a very mixed legacy.

[YoUDeeMan]

Joe, this is why we all hate you:

You speak for everyone in your apartment.

Or everyone in his head. Imagine all the screaming that goes on in there.

[D1B]

I don't want to get in the middle of you two love birds, but why in God's name does he even have a ceremonial position?

Cardinal Law failed in his leadership on the child abuse issue, but to many in the Church he is also remembered as a valiant fighter for civil rights who set a brave example for Catholics to stand up for the rights of African-Americans. Law often faced death threats to lead marches in hostile areas, walking arm-in-arm with many of the historic leaders of the civil rights movement. You should read up on him. His fall in Boston was particularly painful for American Catholics, because he had enormous stature in the American Church because of his leadership on civil rights. He was probably the most significant Church figure in America at the time of his fall, because of his involvement in the civil rights movement.

I don't think a ceremonial role is problematic, in light of the above. Even the DA in Mass indicated that Law broke no laws and cooperated in all investigations. So you have a very mixed legacy.

More excuses. Now we're glorifying him.

This is why everyone hates you, and your church.

[JoltinJoe]

You speak for everyone in your apartment.

Or everyone in his head. Imagine all the screaming that goes on in there.