mcveyrl wrote:An article in the Harrisonburg paper discusses JMU's chances with a win over UMass. Much of it is similar to the discussion from here. But I thought this part was interesting. Mike Barber interviewed Montana's Jim O'Day, the head of the selection committee.
The committee should have no shortage of information on the Dukes. JMU athletic director Jeff Bourne is one of its members. But O’Day said Bourne – under committee bylaws – won’t be able to vote on the Dukes’ potential selection.
“You can be part of the discussion but not the vote,” O’Day said.
I was under the impression you couldn't be a part of the discussion...
I should point out that there's a quote from Bourne right after that and he says that everyone on the committee is ethical and sticks to their job of not pushing their own agenda, but I thought that was interesting.
Do you have a link to this? I'd love the UCA guys on AGS to read it. They're 100% sure they're in over a 7-win JMU because they are the "host conference"...
mcveyrl wrote:An article in the Harrisonburg paper discusses JMU's chances with a win over UMass. Much of it is similar to the discussion from here. But I thought this part was interesting. Mike Barber interviewed Montana's Jim O'Day, the head of the selection committee.
The committee should have no shortage of information on the Dukes. JMU athletic director Jeff Bourne is one of its members. But O’Day said Bourne – under committee bylaws – won’t be able to vote on the Dukes’ potential selection.
“You can be part of the discussion but not the vote,” O’Day said.
I was under the impression you couldn't be a part of the discussion...
I should point out that there's a quote from Bourne right after that and he says that everyone on the committee is ethical and sticks to their job of not pushing their own agenda, but I thought that was interesting.
Barber is wrong- he has Wofford as a lock. I wrote this comment:
"Mr. Barber has Wofford as already as pretty much a lock to get in. They are 7-3, but only 6-3 versus Div I. They have to win @ a good 5-5 Tenn Chattanooga (UTC) to get to 7 Div I wins. UTC has lost @ playoff bound Appalachian State 14-12, to the Citadel 28-27, and @ playoff bound Top 5 Georgia Southern 28-27. UTC is very capable of beating Wofford at home on UTC's Senior Day. If Wofford loses at UTC, they are out. The committee has NEVER in I-AA playoff history given an At Large Bid to a team with only 6 Div I wins.
There are 6 teams left vying for the last 3 spots, not 2 spots, as Mr. Barber states."
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mcveyrl wrote:An article in the Harrisonburg paper discusses JMU's chances with a win over UMass. Much of it is similar to the discussion from here. But I thought this part was interesting. Mike Barber interviewed Montana's Jim O'Day, the head of the selection committee.
The committee should have no shortage of information on the Dukes. JMU athletic director Jeff Bourne is one of its members. But O’Day said Bourne – under committee bylaws – won’t be able to vote on the Dukes’ potential selection.
“You can be part of the discussion but not the vote,” O’Day said.
I was under the impression you couldn't be a part of the discussion...
I should point out that there's a quote from Bourne right after that and he says that everyone on the committee is ethical and sticks to their job of not pushing their own agenda, but I thought that was interesting.
Is 4 threads in the 1st 2 pages over on the CAA Zone JMU board discussing all the possibles IF JMU beats UMass:
"Playoff Update 11/12"
"Overall I-AA Playoff Picture - 11/13/11"
"Central Arkansas is only 7-3, not 8-3"
I think UCA is in also. I believe that the committee would chose a 7 win second place team from the Southland before a 7 win fifth team from either the CAA or MVC
rationalgriz wrote:I think UCA is in also. I believe that the committee would chose a 7 win second place team from the Southland before a 7 win fifth team from either the CAA or MVC
Why ... they didn't last year?
I could see the argument for a 4th or 5th MVFC team over a 2nd Southland. Southland is a step above the MEAC in my eyes.
The Southland did not have a second team with 7 FCS wins last year. I am not saying that UCA is better than JMU. What I am saying is that I believe the committee will have a difficult time awarding a 5th team from a conference when there are other options such as UCA. JMU should hope that teams like Wofford, Indiana St, or Youngstown St. lose. The fifth team from the MVC should be hoping either Wofford or JMU lose.
rationalgriz wrote:I think UCA is in also. I believe that the committee would chose a 7 win second place team from the Southland before a 7 win fifth team from either the CAA or MVC
So, IF Youngstown State gets knocked off by a Missouri State team that has been playing well (for their record) ... and Illinois State loses to UNI (as projected) ... the MVFC would likely just get in 3 teams? What if Indiana State lost to SOuthern Illinois? Or are they a lock regardless? It would be crazy if ISU/ISU/YSU lost this weekend and the MVFC went from 5 to 2 haha
JmuSkinsfan wrote:So, IF Youngstown State gets knocked off by a Missouri State team that has been playing well (for their record) ... and Illinois State loses to UNI (as projected) ... the MVFC would likely just get in 3 teams? What if Indiana State lost to SOuthern Illinois? Or are they a lock regardless? It would be crazy if ISU/ISU/YSU lost this weekend and the MVFC went from 5 to 2 haha
I think three is a lock, ISUb and YSU losing would just cement ISUr's spot.
That said both of those schools losing at home to bottom dwelling MVFC teams is unlikely...
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Alright i'll quit just reading and actually sign up, could the Committee knock the bizon to a no.3,4,5 seed and UNI out of a no. 5 seed in order to justify getting 5 MVFC teams in. If I remember correctly it has happened(not officially) before with teams getting knocked out of seeds to justify a borderline team from their conference getting in?
That just doesn't make sense to me. ODU can easily guarantee 10,000 at the game (since they had 19,000+ every single game). At an average cost of $20/ticket that is $200,000 gate at the bare minimum. 75% of that is $150,000. Why wouldn't ODU bid something like $100,000 to guarantee the bid blows others out of the water, since the NCAA will end up taking 75% of the gate anyway, and not the bid?
rationalgriz wrote:I believe the bid amounts are upfront money for the NCAA, meaning that it is paid prior to the game. Not many schools can front $100,000.
You know if tickets will be $25 again this year?
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rationalgriz wrote:I believe the bid amounts are upfront money for the NCAA, meaning that it is paid prior to the game. Not many schools can front $100,000.
Its a minimum guarantee. I have no clue whether they need to be paid in advance though.
That just doesn't make sense to me. ODU can easily guarantee 10,000 at the game (since they had 19,000+ every single game). At an average cost of $20/ticket that is $200,000 gate at the bare minimum. 75% of that is $150,000. Why wouldn't ODU bid something like $100,000 to guarantee the bid blows others out of the water, since the NCAA will end up taking 75% of the gate anyway, and not the bid?
I'm not disputing you, just wondering.
Wasn't trying to imply the Griz bid those amounts, I was just doing the math of what the NCAA actually got from the Griz if they actually got 75% of gate.
And for what ifs------What if MSU beats UM? UM then would be in a tie with PSU (if PSU manages to beat Weber) for second place in conference. Would that increase the chances that the BSC gets 3 spots? PSU's 8-3 would include 2 sub-DI schools, so probably not. But it drives me crazy to see 7-4 or even 7-5 teams being seriously considered.
frinq wrote:And for what ifs------What if MSU beats UM? UM then would be in a tie with PSU (if PSU manages to beat Weber) for second place in conference. Would that increase the chances that the BSC gets 3 spots? PSU's 8-3 would include 2 sub-DI schools, so probably not. But it drives me crazy to see 7-4 or even 7-5 teams being seriously considered.
Schedule Drake next year and not two sub D-I teams. PSU will not be in the playoffs.
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YSU is focused for 1-9 Missouri State. If they don't beat, I mean blow-out Missouri State, after beating the #1 team in America on the road and giving the #3 team a run for their money, then they don't deserve to get in.
I think YSU wins, and wins by a massive margin over Missouri State. YSU knows they only control one thing: Winning. And that they should do and hopefully in style!
clenz wrote:I'm not sure the MVFC deserves 5 this year.
It may happen depending how things play out this weekend - but I don't see ISUB, YSU, and ISUR getting it.
I think they have a pretty good chance. I think a fifth MVC team is more likely than a fifth CAA team.
I don't think ANY conference with nine teams should EVER have more than half the conference in the playoffs. It's a moot point, though, because ISU is NOT beating UNI.
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