i have season tickets to the gopher football team. I know more about big time than you do, you're obviously a UND fan posing as a gopher fan.
Because true gopher sports fans laugh at und and hockey, wisconsin is their rivals, michigan. give it up.
Plus you resurrect a thread from 3 months ago on the 1st day of FCS playoffs. HAHA. EPIC FAIL TROLL
and you're comparing beating BCS teams on the road vs a D2 win, buy a clue and go smoke some arsenic with darrel.
After the way UND owned Minny in the playoffs and regular season the past 5 years I doubt they laugh at UND. You must be looking at yourself in the mirror.
The plain and simple fact of the matter is this- these teams have not played in a long time. Therefore, it is not a rivalry. When the two opposing sides are not in direct conflict for a long time, there is no opportunity for competition and this lack of any true competitiveness kills what chance there was for fans of either side to call this a "rivalry" in the purest sense of the term.
Additionally, UND simply cannot claim to be on par with NDSU football as a FCS team right now. You can stick your head in the sand all you want, but you can't hide from the truth:
When one team is splitting conference titles of mediocre-at-best conferences and barely keeping above .500 as a FCS program while the other team has spent most of its brief FCS existence in the Top 25 and won an AQ conference title, there is no fair comparison. To suggest otherwise is simply nonsensical and unrealistic.
rkwittem wrote:The plain and simple fact of the matter is this- these teams have not played in a long time. Therefore, it is not a rivalry. When the two opposing sides are not in direct conflict for a long time, there is no opportunity for competition and this lack of any true competitiveness kills what chance there was for fans of either side to call this a "rivalry" in the purest sense of the term.
Additionally, UND simply cannot claim to be on par with NDSU football as a FCS team right now. You can stick your head in the sand all you want, but you can't hide from the truth:
When one team is splitting conference titles of mediocre-at-best conferences and barely keeping above .500 as a FCS program while the other team has spent most of its brief FCS existence in the Top 25 and won an AQ conference title, there is no fair comparison. To suggest otherwise is simply nonsensical and unrealistic.
#1 Football is the only sport these teams have not played in a long time. The others currently play.
#2 No one has claimed that UND is par with NDSU right now..5 years maybe so, maybe less time will tell.
#3 UND-NDSU will ALWAYS be a rival. NDSU set an attendance record for basketball in 2010 against who?...UND. UND set an attendance record in 2011 in volleyball against who....NDSU. UND currently holds the state record for attendance in basketball, they did that against Kansas at the Ralph Engelstad Arena. Jan 17th UND hosts NDSU at the REA...I am thinking another record. Plus look at the message boards especially Bisonville.com, there are hundreds of threads directed at UND based on everything you can think of. That my friend...is rivalry!!
1. haha, bww's GAVE AWAY 5000+ tickets for that bball game, and there was MAYBE 7000 fans there, we REAL fans flew to Washington for the Football game.
#2. bisonville consists of 15 nerds that live in the past, I and my crew WILL NOT GOTO UND/NDSU basketball game in grand forks, we simply DONT GIVE A SHIT.
#3. all you have in life is to keep bringing this stuff up and nickname fiasco, nice claim to fame, losers.
you lie. Volleyball top 10 record attendence:
Largest Home Crowds
2,259 vs. Minn. State Moorhead, 11-5-1986
1,808 vs. South Dakota State, 11-7-2009
1,746 vs. Oakland, 10-16-2009
1,615 vs. IPFW, 11-21-2009
1,579 vs. Oral Roberts, 9-11-2009
1,547* vs. Washington, 9-9-2005
1,538 vs. North Dakota, 9-16-2010
1,478 vs. St. Cloud State, 12-2-1988
1,402 vs. St. Cloud State, 11-2-1996
last 7+ years without UND sucking our hind tit and dragging us down has been the MOST PROSPOROUS YEARS IN NDSU ATHLETICS WITH EVERYONE OF OUR TEAMS GOING TO NCAA PLAYOFFS CEPT BASEBALL
lakesbison wrote:1. haha, bww's GAVE AWAY 5000+ tickets for that bball game, and there was MAYBE 7000 fans there, we REAL fans flew to Washington for the Football game.
#2. bisonville consists of 15 nerds that live in the past, I and my crew WILL NOT GOTO UND/NDSU basketball game in grand forks, we simply DONT GIVE A ****.
#3. all you have in life is to keep bringing this stuff up and nickname fiasco, nice claim to fame, losers.
you lie. Volleyball top 10 record attendence:
Largest Home Crowds
2,259 vs. Minn. State Moorhead, 11-5-1986
1,808 vs. South Dakota State, 11-7-2009
1,746 vs. Oakland, 10-16-2009
1,615 vs. IPFW, 11-21-2009
1,579 vs. Oral Roberts, 9-11-2009
1,547* vs. Washington, 9-9-2005
1,538 vs. North Dakota, 9-16-2010
1,478 vs. St. Cloud State, 12-2-1988
1,402 vs. St. Cloud State, 11-2-1996
last 7+ years without UND sucking our hind tit and dragging us down has been the MOST PROSPOROUS YEARS IN NDSU ATHLETICS WITH EVERYONE OF OUR TEAMS GOING TO NCAA PLAYOFFS CEPT BASEBALL
Read my post Lakes..I said UND set an attendance record in 2011 in volleyball against NDSU. Which according to your figures beats NDSU's records too.
In front of a UND record-setting crowd of 2,394 fans, the Sioux defeated the Bison, 3-1 (25-17, 22-25, 25-19, 25-20) to snap a five-match skid and claim their first victory over the in-state rival since 2002.
rkwittem wrote:The plain and simple fact of the matter is this- these teams have not played in a long time. Therefore, it is not a rivalry. When the two opposing sides are not in direct conflict for a long time, there is no opportunity for competition and this lack of any true competitiveness kills what chance there was for fans of either side to call this a "rivalry" in the purest sense of the term.
Additionally, UND simply cannot claim to be on par with NDSU football as a FCS team right now. You can stick your head in the sand all you want, but you can't hide from the truth:
When one team is splitting conference titles of mediocre-at-best conferences and barely keeping above .500 as a FCS program while the other team has spent most of its brief FCS existence in the Top 25 and won an AQ conference title, there is no fair comparison. To suggest otherwise is simply nonsensical and unrealistic.
#1 Football is the only sport these teams have not played in a long time. The others currently play.
#2 No one has claimed that UND is par with NDSU right now..5 years maybe so, maybe less time will tell.
#3 UND-NDSU will ALWAYS be a rival. NDSU set an attendance record for basketball in 2010 against who?...UND. UND set an attendance record in 2011 in volleyball against who....NDSU. UND currently holds the state record for attendance in basketball, they did that against Kansas at the Ralph Engelstad Arena. Jan 17th UND hosts NDSU at the REA...I am thinking another record. Plus look at the message boards especially Bisonville.com, there are hundreds of threads directed at UND based on everything you can think of. That my friend...is rivalry!!
As this is a football thread, my comments were directed towards the football rivalry, which is dead. (at least to me) If we take the dictionary's definition of "Competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field" as the meaning of a rivalry, then NDSU-UND is a dead football rivalry. The two teams no longer compete directly with each other.
Darell1976 wrote:
#1 Football is the only sport these teams have not played in a long time. The others currently play.
#2 No one has claimed that UND is par with NDSU right now..5 years maybe so, maybe less time will tell.
#3 UND-NDSU will ALWAYS be a rival. NDSU set an attendance record for basketball in 2010 against who?...UND. UND set an attendance record in 2011 in volleyball against who....NDSU. UND currently holds the state record for attendance in basketball, they did that against Kansas at the Ralph Engelstad Arena. Jan 17th UND hosts NDSU at the REA...I am thinking another record. Plus look at the message boards especially Bisonville.com, there are hundreds of threads directed at UND based on everything you can think of. That my friend...is rivalry!!
As this is a football thread, my comments were directed towards the football rivalry, which is dead. (at least to me) If we take the dictionary's definition of "Competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field" as the meaning of a rivalry, then NDSU-UND is a dead football rivalry. The two teams no longer compete directly with each other.
Not dead just in a coma, both UND and NDSU are fighting it out on the recruiting trail. UND picking up players recruited by NDSU and vice versa. Talks about playing each other are just about complete. As UND's AD Brian Faison said they will play each other but not every year. If the "football" rivalry is so dead why did Fargo Forum's Jeff Kolpack write an article about UND getting votes in the polls, and NDSU fans slamming UND about who they play, and where they rank. Trust me this rivalry is still alive.
If it were alive, they'd be playing every year. I.E. Duke-UNC or Ohio State-Michigan or Alabama-Auburn. NDSU-UND has shifted into OU-Nebraska territory now, where both teams were big rivals for a long time, but won't meet again for a long time on the gridiron.
you dont compete with shit on recruits, who would want to goto und over ndsu? 19,000 fans vs 7200 fans.
dont say mollberg, he didnt want to compete and COULDNT beat out the 4 QBs ndsu has lined up when he cant even beat PERHAM minn in a football game, give me a break.
votes in a poll for a 5-3 team with wins over drake, 0-11 unc and lost to a 1-10 idaho proves how stupid that is.
its NOT a rivalry, we have done more in the last 7 years without them then the past 100 years with them
rkwittem wrote:
As this is a football thread, my comments were directed towards the football rivalry, which is dead. (at least to me) If we take the dictionary's definition of "Competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field" as the meaning of a rivalry, then NDSU-UND is a dead football rivalry. The two teams no longer compete directly with each other.
Not dead just in a coma, both UND and NDSU are fighting it out on the recruiting trail. UND picking up players recruited by NDSU and vice versa. Talks about playing each other are just about complete. As UND's AD Brian Faison said they will play each other but not every year. If the "football" rivalry is so dead why did Fargo Forum's Jeff Kolpack write an article about UND getting votes in the polls, and NDSU fans slamming UND about who they play, and where they rank. Trust me this rivalry is still alive.
Darell is absolutely right on this and you would have to be half brain dead to think that the NDSU-UND rivalry is dead. Get over your pride fellas. The first game back in this rivalry would fill a 30k seat stadium and everyone knows it. It IS a big deal to the state, something some of you may have forgotten. I truly believe that UND needs to have this game back to get some life back into their program. No trash talk intended, but 7k at UND when you are D1 now? that's very sad for the following you have. It should be a lot closer to the 18k on average that NDSU draws. The rivalry renewal would help spark that. The game would not help NDSU as much as it would UND, that's why I'm on the fence on the issue. I want to play UND just for rivalries sake, but there are no advantages for my school. I guess we will see how it plays out. Go Bison!
For the strength of the Herd is the Bison and the strength of the Bison is the HERD
GO BISON!
lakesbison wrote:becuase both of those things are LAUGHABLE
you dont compete with shit on recruits, who would want to goto und over ndsu? 19,000 fans vs 7200 fans.
dont say mollberg, he didnt want to compete and COULDNT beat out the 4 QBs ndsu has lined up when he cant even beat PERHAM minn in a football game, give me a break.
votes in a poll for a 5-3 team with wins over drake, 0-11 unc and lost to a 1-10 idaho proves how stupid that is.
its NOT a rivalry, we have done more in the last 7 years without them then the past 100 years with them
Is that because they were holding you back because they kept on beating you?
"What I'm saying is: You might have taken care of your wolf problem, but everyone around town is going to think of you as the crazy son of a bitch who bought land mines to get rid of wolves."
lakesbison wrote:becuase both of those things are LAUGHABLE
you dont compete with **** on recruits, who would want to goto und over ndsu? 19,000 fans vs 7200 fans.
dont say mollberg, he didnt want to compete and COULDNT beat out the 4 QBs ndsu has lined up when he cant even beat PERHAM minn in a football game, give me a break.
votes in a poll for a 5-3 team with wins over drake, 0-11 unc and lost to a 1-10 idaho proves how stupid that is.
its NOT a rivalry, we have done more in the last 7 years without them then the past 100 years with them
Bison fans have always said UND has never out recruited NDSU...so I guess winning 10 out of the last 13 against NDSU was NDSU getting out-coached by Roger Thomas and Dale Lennon...right?
Just shut up and play each other already! I can't believe the citizenry of that state hasn't stormed the offices of the AD's of both teams to get this game back on. I've always known North Dakotans to be really nice people-perhaps in this case they're too nice. Get it done!
Rivals from different conferences play all the time. Sac State and UC Davis kept it going even when they were in different divisions.
And don't start up with all the excuses as to why you're not playing-I've know what they are. I don't care. The rest of the football playing world doesn't care. Get some people in both schools to get this done-or kick their ass out and get some new people who aren't bogged down by all the pettiness to get it done. And play it annually. This every-other year idea is complete B.S.
BelgradeBobcat wrote:Just shut up and play each other already! I can't believe the citizenry of that state hasn't stormed the offices of the AD's of both teams to get this game back on. I've always known North Dakotans to be really nice people-perhaps in this case they're too nice. Get it done!
Rivals from different conferences play all the time. Sac State and UC Davis kept it going even when they were in different divisions.
And don't start up with all the excuses as to why you're not playing-I've know what they are. I don't care. The rest of the football playing world doesn't care. Get some people in both schools to get this done-or kick their ass out and get some new people who aren't bogged down by all the pettiness to get it done. And play it annually. This every-other year idea is complete B.S.
I wish it were that easy. There are still scheduling conflicts in the next few years.
For the strength of the Herd is the Bison and the strength of the Bison is the HERD
GO BISON!
BelgradeBobcat wrote:Just shut up and play each other already! I can't believe the citizenry of that state hasn't stormed the offices of the AD's of both teams to get this game back on. I've always known North Dakotans to be really nice people-perhaps in this case they're too nice. Get it done!
Rivals from different conferences play all the time. Sac State and UC Davis kept it going even when they were in different divisions.
And don't start up with all the excuses as to why you're not playing-I've know what they are. I don't care. The rest of the football playing world doesn't care. Get some people in both schools to get this done-or kick their ass out and get some new people who aren't bogged down by all the pettiness to get it done. And play it annually. This every-other year idea is complete B.S.
I wish it were that easy. There are still scheduling conflicts in the next few years.
NDSU doesn't want to give up a home game by playing at UND every other year. Now with the Big Sky more and more Sioux fans don't mind not playing NDSU every year. I would rather they play all the Dakota teams..once per year. 2013 vs SDSU (already scheduled), 2014 at NDSU, 2015 at USD. Then rotate..2016 at SDSU, 2017 vs NDSU, 2018 vs USD.
The Sioux fans want to hang on to everything, the Nickel, the Nickename, the Rivalry. Time to let go and get on with the new world of UND in the Big Sky, a great conference with possible great rivalries with the Montana schools or who ever. The schools will play again, but they haven't for 8 years and that's a huge void, the longest since the Gil Dobie coached NDSU team made UND run scared for several years. It's just not the same anymore, and it won't be the same.
THEY HAVE NOTHING WITHOUT NDSU... as can be seen in the last 5+ years.
UND has a better conference than UNDS, a DOMINATING record over the bison over the last 13 games, and a winning record over the UNDS in the series. The SIOUX OWN the prairie cows.
THEY HAVE NOTHING WITHOUT NDSU... as can be seen in the last 5+ years.
UND has only won their conference in Volleyball, Men's Basketball, and shared the title in football...oh did I forget to mention get into the Big Sky. Which reminds me does NDSU still send Christmas gifts to SDSU to show their appreciation for getting them into the MVFC/Summit League. At least we can get into a conference on our own.
lakesbison wrote:yea the CONFERENCE that NDSU /SDSU built for you.
dude you havent WON SHIT>
get used to it!!
So it is the Dakota BIG 2 not the Dakota BIG 3?
"What I'm saying is: You might have taken care of your wolf problem, but everyone around town is going to think of you as the crazy son of a bitch who bought land mines to get rid of wolves."
