To stop it, Lennon said, each defender has to follow his assignment rather than trying to make every tackle. He would tell his linemen to take on the first body in the way and not even look to see what’s going on in the backfield. That leaves the linebackers and defensive backs to match up with the skill players.
I think he read Lakes post!
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Stopping the triple is easy in theory......make the QB beat you. You're much better off on defense if the QB has the ball beyond the line of scrimmage. Because of the pitch relationship, RBs are generally running downhill when they get the ball. QBs in the triple have to first turn up field on most plays. Most big plays come by the RBs.
Easier said then done though. It's counterintuitive to not tackle the guy with the ball. DEs and OLBs have been taught since age 6 to go after the ball. Now you're telling them to go after the guy without the ball. Very tough.
There isn't a blanket answer to stopping the triple option. I can't comment on Georgia Tech - I didn't see one of their games this year but I've seen both GSU & Navy and they run the same offense but yet very different.
Since we're talking GSU here, their QB Shaw is not much of a running threat. GSU relies on the FB dive and pitching the ball to their "A" or "B" backs. I've seen teams slow their dive play down by stacking the middle. You can talk all you want about the front seven but if you're going to stop GSU you better have a secondary that can A: get off of blocks because GSU's WR's will block better than any they've seen this year, and B: tackle very well. When a DB misses a tackle on an option team it turns 5 yard runs into 25 yard runs.
Shaw couldn't throw to save his life last year, but it looks like GSU has improved that part of their game this year. You have to at least acknowledge that threat or they'll hit you with a big play.
At the "mesh" the GSU QB is deciding wheather to give it to the dive back or take it outside for the pitch or keeper. He is watching his key man probably a DE or OLB. If the key man breaks inside the ball is pulled and the play taken outside and vice-versa. Thats it in a nutshell. Everybody gets hit every play. We do what we can to confuse the mesh and we assign our best matchups.
Oh yea, and we score a lot on their defense!
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You people crack me up. Does GSU only run the triple option? Is that the only play they have? That is one play. You act like if you stop that then everything else will crumble. How about midline, veer, toss sweep, belly, counter, speed option, counter option, read option, trap, lead...?
I guess if if GSU can stop the base stretch play or iso that NDSU runs then the game is over?
ODUfanRazor wrote:I watched UVA pull the upset on ga tech this year and the way mike London stopped the triple option was really quite fascinating.
They consistently blitzed their middle linebacker into the line of scrimmage.
Now I know most of you think you can't be aggressive against a TO and you have to stay disciplined and keep your assignments, but hear me out.
How this worked was complex. By blitzing the MLB, it did two things on a pretty consistent basis.
Either a. The MLB would get into the backfield and disrupt the timing of the play and force a pitch early or if not, at the very least it would screw up the blocking scheme of the offensive line.
They couldn't pull anyone out for pull blocks bevause if they did, the MLB would find the hole, get up in it and blow the play up in the backfield. When they stopped pulling, the guard or center would always have to take the MLB 1 on 1 and thus it took away that extra blocker that the TO thrives on.
I know everyone thinks this is nuts, but it really worked well for UVA. You can't sit back and wait for a team to run the triple option at you. They will run you over if you play passive, just look at what happened to odu.
Play aggressive, force the offense to change the blocking scheme and get tackles for losses.
Getting a 2 yard loss on first or second down is kryptonite to a TO. If they can't get those 3 or 4 yards on first and second because you are blowing it up before you get to the line of scrimmage, you can really hurt a TO.
I think not getting aggressive is why odu failed so miserably against ga southern and it cost our d coordinator his job.
Not exactly accurate. UVA played assignment football, and used a creative method to prepare by running the TO without a ball in practice forcing defenders to stick with their assignment. In the game they were able to get a lead early, which helps immensely against the TO, and got two interceptions in the second quarter. They ran the ball effectively, and were able to win time of possession. They forced the Ga Tech QB to keep the ball by taking the dive away, and playing disciplined on the edge, limiting big plays. Virginia had five tackles for loss in the game, four of them on the QB.
ODU's problems against Ga. Southern were primarily a result of getting beat with the dive play, but their corners were not able to get off blocks, and their safeties and LBs did not tackle well leading to big plays on the edge.
This is exactly right. Getting a nice 2-score lead (even it's just 9 or 10 points) would be big for NDSU. I would like to add, however, that Charlottesville has been more like the 9th Circle of Hell for Georgia Tech historically. Just saying. Didn't matter who the coach was or what offense GT ran.
JBB wrote:At the "mesh" the GSU QB is deciding wheather to give it to the dive back or take it outside for the pitch or keeper. He is watching his key man probably a DE or OLB. If the key man breaks inside the ball is pulled and the play taken outside and vice-versa. Thats it in a nutshell. Everybody gets hit every play. We do what we can to confuse the mesh and we assign our best matchups.
Oh yea, and we score a lot on their defense!
The reads are simple- last guy on the defensive line with his hand in the dirt (play side) and if the QB skips the give, he reads the next contain guy, usually an OLB or safety.
pain wrote:You people crack me up. Does GSU only run the triple option? Is that the only play they have? That is one play. You act like if you stop that then everything else will crumble. How about midline, veer, toss sweep, belly, counter, speed option, counter option, read option, trap, lead...?
I guess if if GSU can stop the base stretch play or iso that NDSU runs then the game is over?
I risk over-posting in this thread, but I'm going to anyway.
The triple option is not your standard running play. Because of its variability and ability to take whatever the defense gives, you can practically run it all day long with success as long as your QB makes good reads and the ball stays in your hands. Of course GSU has other plays. NDSU has seen some option stuff already, just not the triple option. Minny had some read option, YSU had some speed option. Scotty Hazelton is not a run-of-the-mill d-coordinator. He'll know what GSU's got. Just a question of who executes their stuff best.
Hey, I call em like I see em. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the idea that Montana is going to stop GSU - you better hope you can outscore them. Could happen, GSU has a terrible defense so it's possible.
From what I saw, MU had a pretty good defense. The Griz might not be able to stop GSU but I do think they could slow them down.
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Hey, I call em like I see em. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the idea that Montana is going to stop GSU - you better hope you can outscore them. Could happen, GSU has a terrible defense so it's possible.
From what I saw, MU had a pretty good defense. The Griz might not be able to stop GSU but I do think they could slow them down.
@rkwittem: Totally agree. This GSU-NDSU matchup comes down to the basics. Execution & turnovers. This will be a great, old-fashioned smash mouth game. These are two teams who simply say "we are who we are; if your 11 can beat our 11, so be it."
This is going to be a fun Saturday.
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From what I saw, MU had a pretty good defense. The Griz might not be able to stop GSU but I do think they could slow them down.
What does Man Utd have to do with this?
That was just a little jab at the knucklehead Griz fans that like to refer to UNI as NIU.
That shouldn't get in the way of the message that IMO the Griz have a darn good defense and I wouldn't unilaterally write off their ability to slow down the GSU if they meet.
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GannonFan wrote:Hey, I call em like I see em. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the idea that Montana is going to stop GSU - you better hope you can outscore them. Could happen, GSU has a terrible defense so it's possible.
Guess you didn't watch the Maine game - their offense had 16 points.
GannonFan wrote:Hey, I call em like I see em. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the idea that Montana is going to stop GSU - you better hope you can outscore them. Could happen, GSU has a terrible defense so it's possible.
Guess you didn't watch the Maine game - their offense had 16 points.
Maine didn't win with offense this year. 50th (out of 120) in total offense this year is not an offensive power. Maine won by being balanced. GSU's defense is still where they could lose this thing.
I think my favorite play that GSU runs is from the balanced flex bone when they motion one of the backs at a full sprint and pitch to the motion back in a toss sweep. They run it so fast and perfect that they have 8 yards before the d catches up. It's a thing of beauty. This is going to be a fun game to watch. I can't wait for Saturday. I think the winner of this game is National Champ unless they beat the crap out of each other so much that they go in to the title game without key players.
Winindy wrote:I think my favorite play that GSU runs is from the balanced flex bone when they motion one of the backs at a full sprint and pitch to the motion back in a toss sweep. They run it so fast and perfect that they have 8 yards before the d catches up. It's a thing of beauty. This is going to be a fun game to watch. I can't wait for Saturday. I think the winner of this game is National Champ unless they beat the crap out of each other so much that they go in to the title game without key players.
Keep underestimating Montana...if any other team had a streak of dominance like ours, they'd be the odds-on, no questions favorite.
To stop the TO, NDSU will have to gamble on defense. If they don't GSU marches down the field anyway.
NDSU will be favored. Their fans must be a factor in the game too. NDSU will need to show GSU that they can score quickly and at will. The GSU defense will melt like it did against ODU.
TXST has a knack for being able to contain the TO. I think we got used to it because, until 2 seasons ago, Nicholls ran the TO so we had to plan for it every year.
I think we did ok against it in 2005.
(Our last really good team)
It can be done if your DC knows what to do and your D can handle the adjustments.
