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JoltinJoe wrote:Cardinal Law failed in his leadership on the child abuse issue, but to many in the Church he is also remembered as a valiant fighter for civil rights who set a brave example for Catholics to stand up for the rights of African-Americans. Law often faced death threats to lead marches in hostile areas, walking arm-in-arm with many of the historic leaders of the civil rights movement. You should read up on him. His fall in Boston was particularly painful for American Catholics, because he had enormous stature in the American Church because of his leadership on civil rights. He was probably the most significant Church figure in America at the time of his fall, because of his involvement in the civil rights movement.

I don't think a ceremonial role is problematic, in light of the above. Even the DA in Mass indicated that Law broke no laws and cooperated in all investigations. So you have a very mixed legacy.
Thanks for the response.

While it seems as though Law did some good things for some, he failed when he was needed most.

As a parent, I have no sympathy for those who don't do everything they can to nuture children and to protect them from harm. They are our most vulnerable, and most trusting...they are a canvas of hope and dreams. To take away that trust and subject a child to a lifetime of nightmarish memories is the worst crime a person can commit. To cover it up or ignore it is also inexcusable.

Law's history will show he did some good things. But he also committed a crime against all of humanity. If there is a ceremonial position for his good side, then there should also be a huge symbol right next to his public seat that displays his failure. :nod:
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Uhhhhhh, Cardinal Law is still working for the pope, Joe:



I have great concern for the victims, so much so that I'm the only person here willing to take on monsters like the catholic church and you. Your lies and half truths and exaggeration and disregard for the millions of children molested by your church is breathtaking.

Kudos to Penn State (secular organization) for taking the high road and terminating those responsible, from the top down. Hopefully the catholics will wake up, become moral, and do the same. :ohno:
Your information is outdated (sometime from early 2003). Law has no ecclesiastical standing at all any more. He is archpriest for a basilica in Rome, which is a ceremonial position. Even before he turned 80, Law began a practice of recusing himself from ecclesiastical matters -- due to protests of the Catholic laity.
Here's an article from 2010:
BOSTON — Ireland’s clergy sex abuse scandal erupted last year after two government-ordered reports documented decades of clergy child abuse and a church cover up of the abuse. Four Irish bishops said they’ll resign for not reporting the abuse. Some in Ireland say another Catholic leader should resign — former Boston Archbishop Cardinal Bernard Law.

“To keep Cardinal Bernard Law in the position he holds would suggest the papacy does not understand the principles of accountability,” said Sean O’Conaill, acting coordinator of Voice of the Faithful in Ireland.

O’Conaill said Pope Benedict XVI is expected to release a pastoral letter to Ireland’s four million Catholics after next week’s meeting with the bishops. But O’Connail said the letter is meaningless if Cardinal Law remains in his Vatican position helping to select new bishops.
Earlier Report: Abusive Priests With Ireland Ties Worked In Boston

“Many people find it difficult to understand why if a person was found to be as wanting in his duties, care for children, as Cardinal Bernard Law was — and that was comparable to what happened in Dublin — we find it difficult to understand why such a man would have been promoted,” O’Connail said. “It seems to us to be symbolically strange that he would have that role at all. What Bernard Law did was endanger the lives and souls of children.”

Cardinal Law came to personify the clergy abuse crisis. He was the first member of the Catholic hierarchy shown to have actively covered up clergy abuse. Immediately after the Boston Globe broke the abuse story in 2002, Law refused to step down. But 11 months later, when priests’ records were released by court order showing that Law took elaborate steps to cover for abusers, he stepped down.

“To all those who have suffered from my shortcomings and my mistakes, I once again apologize and from them I beg forgiveness,” Law said at the time. “During these past 11 months, decisions have been made and policies strengthened which ensure the safety of children as the archdiocese moves forward.”

After leaving Boston, Law was named to the prominent position of archpriest of the St. Mary Major Basilica in Rome. He also serves on several Vatican boards and committees and he participated in the 2005 conclave that elected Pope Benedict. But he hasn’t been seen in Boston since he left. :lol:

“You’ll notice when the pope came to Boston last year, all these American Cardinals from Rome came with the Pope on the plane — but not Cardinal Law,” said Father Walter Cuenin, who was among the group of Boston area priests who first called on Law to step down in response to the clergy abuse crisis. “He could not have been on that plane. So in some ways I think even in Rome they recognize it’s a delicate situation.” :ohno:

Cuenin, now chaplain at Brandeis University, said having Cardinal Law leave his Vatican post now may be a moot point because his age requires that he relinquish some responsibilities this year.

“I think it was difficult for American Catholics in Boston, so I can understand why the Irish Catholics feel that way,” Cuenin explained. “He’s almost 80 years old, so he automatically will be coming off some of those boards. So I can understand their feelings, but I’m not sure it will make much difference in some ways.”

Some Catholics say it’s not fair to continue to point to Cardinal Law.

“There is a particular animus being manifested toward Cardinal Law,” said Deal Hudson, president of Catholic Advocate and director of InsideCatholic.com, two conservative Catholic Web sites. “When you stand back and look across the United States at all the dioceses and the way this scenario was repeated in so many dioceses and in some cases with even higher levels of abuse cases, I don’t think that animus is fair.” :lol: Joltin Joe!

The Boston Archdiocese did not want to comment about Cardinal Law or the Irish bishops meeting. Last month, the archdiocese released the names of three abusive priests with ties to Ireland who worked in Boston. Archdiocese Vicar General The Very Rev. Richard Erikson said the archdiocese continues to work to improve its efforts to prevent and deal with abuse. “The situation in Ireland is affirmation of the commitment of the Archdiocese to never let our guard down,” he said. :rofl: :rofl:

Erikson also said the archdiocese recently created two new offices to deal with those affected by clergy abuse and continues to look into ways to be more transparent and release priest records. “We’re actively engaged in looking at what we’re doing regarding disclosure,” he said. And how best to continue that practice or strengthen it.”

An archdiocese spokeswoman said the names of credibly accused priests would be published by the end of the year. Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley said during her Senate campaign that she would call on the Boston Archdiocese to release the names of all priests from Ireland who worked in Boston. She hasn’t commented on when or if she still plans to do that.
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Cluck U wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Cardinal Law failed in his leadership on the child abuse issue, but to many in the Church he is also remembered as a valiant fighter for civil rights who set a brave example for Catholics to stand up for the rights of African-Americans. Law often faced death threats to lead marches in hostile areas, walking arm-in-arm with many of the historic leaders of the civil rights movement. You should read up on him. His fall in Boston was particularly painful for American Catholics, because he had enormous stature in the American Church because of his leadership on civil rights. He was probably the most significant Church figure in America at the time of his fall, because of his involvement in the civil rights movement.

I don't think a ceremonial role is problematic, in light of the above. Even the DA in Mass indicated that Law broke no laws and cooperated in all investigations. So you have a very mixed legacy.
Thanks for the response.

While it seems as though Law did some good things for some, he failed when he was needed most.

As a parent, I have no sympathy for those who don't do everything they can to nuture children and to protect them from harm. They are our most vulnerable, and most trusting...they are a canvas of hope and dreams. To take away that trust and subject a child to a lifetime of nightmarish memories is the worst crime a person can commit. To cover it up or ignore it is also inexcusable.

Law's history will show he did some good things. But he also committed a crime against all of humanity. If there is a ceremonial position for his good side, then there should also be a huge symbol right next to his public seat that displays his failure. :nod:
Joltin Joe :lol:


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Cluck U wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Cardinal Law failed in his leadership on the child abuse issue, but to many in the Church he is also remembered as a valiant fighter for civil rights who set a brave example for Catholics to stand up for the rights of African-Americans. Law often faced death threats to lead marches in hostile areas, walking arm-in-arm with many of the historic leaders of the civil rights movement. You should read up on him. His fall in Boston was particularly painful for American Catholics, because he had enormous stature in the American Church because of his leadership on civil rights. He was probably the most significant Church figure in America at the time of his fall, because of his involvement in the civil rights movement.

I don't think a ceremonial role is problematic, in light of the above. Even the DA in Mass indicated that Law broke no laws and cooperated in all investigations. So you have a very mixed legacy.
Thanks for the response.

While it seems as though Law did some good things for some, he failed when he was needed most.

As a parent, I have no sympathy for those who don't do everything they can to nuture children and to protect them from harm. They are our most vulnerable, and most trusting...they are a canvas of hope and dreams. To take away that trust and subject a child to a lifetime of nightmarish memories is the worst crime a person can commit. To cover it up or ignore it is also inexcusable.

Law's history will show he did some good things. But he also committed a crime against all of humanity. If there is a ceremonial position for his good side, then there should also be a huge symbol right next to his public seat that displays his failure. :nod:
I think you hit the nail right on the head.
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D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
Your information is outdated (sometime from early 2003). Law has no ecclesiastical standing at all any more. He is archpriest for a basilica in Rome, which is a ceremonial position. Even before he turned 80, Law began a practice of recusing himself from ecclesiastical matters -- due to protests of the Catholic laity.
Here's an article from 2010:
BOSTON — Ireland’s clergy sex abuse scandal erupted last year after two government-ordered reports documented decades of clergy child abuse and a church cover up of the abuse. Four Irish bishops said they’ll resign for not reporting the abuse. Some in Ireland say another Catholic leader should resign — former Boston Archbishop Cardinal Bernard Law.

“To keep Cardinal Bernard Law in the position he holds would suggest the papacy does not understand the principles of accountability,” said Sean O’Conaill, acting coordinator of Voice of the Faithful in Ireland.

O’Conaill said Pope Benedict XVI is expected to release a pastoral letter to Ireland’s four million Catholics after next week’s meeting with the bishops. But O’Connail said the letter is meaningless if Cardinal Law remains in his Vatican position helping to select new bishops.
Earlier Report: Abusive Priests With Ireland Ties Worked In Boston

“Many people find it difficult to understand why if a person was found to be as wanting in his duties, care for children, as Cardinal Bernard Law was — and that was comparable to what happened in Dublin — we find it difficult to understand why such a man would have been promoted,” O’Connail said. “It seems to us to be symbolically strange that he would have that role at all. What Bernard Law did was endanger the lives and souls of children.”

Cardinal Law came to personify the clergy abuse crisis. He was the first member of the Catholic hierarchy shown to have actively covered up clergy abuse. Immediately after the Boston Globe broke the abuse story in 2002, Law refused to step down. But 11 months later, when priests’ records were released by court order showing that Law took elaborate steps to cover for abusers, he stepped down.

“To all those who have suffered from my shortcomings and my mistakes, I once again apologize and from them I beg forgiveness,” Law said at the time. “During these past 11 months, decisions have been made and policies strengthened which ensure the safety of children as the archdiocese moves forward.”

After leaving Boston, Law was named to the prominent position of archpriest of the St. Mary Major Basilica in Rome. He also serves on several Vatican boards and committees and he participated in the 2005 conclave that elected Pope Benedict. But he hasn’t been seen in Boston since he left. :lol:

“You’ll notice when the pope came to Boston last year, all these American Cardinals from Rome came with the Pope on the plane — but not Cardinal Law,” said Father Walter Cuenin, who was among the group of Boston area priests who first called on Law to step down in response to the clergy abuse crisis. “He could not have been on that plane. So in some ways I think even in Rome they recognize it’s a delicate situation.” :ohno:

Cuenin, now chaplain at Brandeis University, said having Cardinal Law leave his Vatican post now may be a moot point because his age requires that he relinquish some responsibilities this year.

“I think it was difficult for American Catholics in Boston, so I can understand why the Irish Catholics feel that way,” Cuenin explained. “He’s almost 80 years old, so he automatically will be coming off some of those boards. So I can understand their feelings, but I’m not sure it will make much difference in some ways.”

Some Catholics say it’s not fair to continue to point to Cardinal Law.

“There is a particular animus being manifested toward Cardinal Law,” said Deal Hudson, president of Catholic Advocate and director of InsideCatholic.com, two conservative Catholic Web sites. “When you stand back and look across the United States at all the dioceses and the way this scenario was repeated in so many dioceses and in some cases with even higher levels of abuse cases, I don’t think that animus is fair.” :lol: Joltin Joe!

The Boston Archdiocese did not want to comment about Cardinal Law or the Irish bishops meeting. Last month, the archdiocese released the names of three abusive priests with ties to Ireland who worked in Boston. Archdiocese Vicar General The Very Rev. Richard Erikson said the archdiocese continues to work to improve its efforts to prevent and deal with abuse. “The situation in Ireland is affirmation of the commitment of the Archdiocese to never let our guard down,” he said. :rofl: :rofl:

Erikson also said the archdiocese recently created two new offices to deal with those affected by clergy abuse and continues to look into ways to be more transparent and release priest records. “We’re actively engaged in looking at what we’re doing regarding disclosure,” he said. And how best to continue that practice or strengthen it.”

An archdiocese spokeswoman said the names of credibly accused priests would be published by the end of the year. Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley said during her Senate campaign that she would call on the Boston Archdiocese to release the names of all priests from Ireland who worked in Boston. She hasn’t commented on when or if she still plans to do that.
:ohno: Yep she on it! :lol:
Your source (which you have concealed from us) is a collection of misleading information. It states several times that Law was promoted from his position as the Cardinal of an American Archdiocese.

Going from the Cardinal of a leading American Archdiocese to an archpriest of a basilica is not a "promotion." An "Archpriest" is inferior to an adjunct bishop.
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JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote:
Here's an article from 2010:

:ohno: Yep she on it! :lol:
Your source (which you have concealed from us) is a collection of misleading information. It states several times that Law was promoted from his position as the Cardinal of an American Archdiocese.

Going from the Cardinal of a leading American Archdiocese to an archpriest of a basilica is not a "promotion." An "Archpriest" is inferior to an adjunct bishop.
More excuses. :ohno:

It is a promotion, when you should be in jail or resigned under shame and have no position.

Concealed? There are millions of identical articles
http://www.wbur.org/2010/02/10/irish-priests-followup" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Boston NPR station. :coffee:

Here's the writer:

Deborah Becker
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Email: dbecker@wbur.org

Deborah Becker joined WBUR in 1998 as a freelance reporter, producer and host. She now works as a reporter and news host.

In addition to being the mid-day local news host and general assignment reporter, Deb is also the fill-in host for Morning Edition, All Things Considered and WBUR’s nationally syndicated program Here & Now.

Deb also helps produce and organize various WBUR special programs and series. Her awards include: Best Interview and Best Newscast from Public Radio News Directors Incorporated, Best Newscast and Best Public Service Program from the Associated Press and the Tom Phillips Award for Enterprise Reporting from United Press International.

Deb studied journalism at St. Bonaventure University. She lives with her husband and three children in central Massachusetts.

*Joe, see her email above. Maybe you email her and tell her about the "collection" of misleading information! :rofl: :dunce:

I'm still waiting for your Rolling Stone LTE. :nod:
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Here is another venerable sports brand which had a similar problem many years ago (and before existing ownership settled the case). Still, this stuff happened/happens more often than we think:

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In light of the child sex-abuse scandal at Penn State, Joe Paterno's name has been removed from the new Big Ten championship trophy, the conference announced Monday

The Big Ten said that the crisis at Penn State, which led to Paterno's firing as coach Wednesday night, prompted the decision to remove his name from the Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy. The trophy will be awarded Dec. 3 at the inaugural Big Ten football championship game at Indianapolis.

The trophy will now be called the Stagg Championship Trophy.

"We believe that it would be inappropriate to keep Joe Paterno's name on the trophy at this time," Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said in a statment. "The trophy and its namesake are intended to be celebratory and aspirational, not controversial. We believe that it's important to keep the focus on the players and the teams that will be competing in the inaugural championship game."

Amos Alonzo Stagg won 319 games in 57 years, most at the University of Chicago. Paterno's 409 wins are the most by a major college coach.

Penn State (8-2, 5-1 Big Ten ) and Michigan State (8-2, 5-1) lead their respective divisions and will advance to the title game in Indianapolis if they win the rest of their games.

The Big Ten pointed to the recent grand jury indictments against retired Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky and two other officials, a U.S. Department of Education investigation into Penn State's response to the allegations of sexual abuse involving Sandusky, and Paterno's dismissal by the school's board of trustees as reasons to remove Paterno's name from the trophy.

Robert Stagg of Grand Rapids, Mich., a great grandson of Amos Alonzo Stagg, said last week his family was honored to have the Stagg name on the trophy whatever happened with Paterno's name.

Penn State said it would not comment.

Paterno was fired Wednesday after he initially said he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season, but the outcry following the arrest of Sandusky on 40 criminal counts of molestation proved too much for the board of trustees to ignore.

Defensive coordinator Tom Bradley was selected as interim coach, and No. 21 Penn State lost Saturday in its first game of the post-Paterno era. The Nittany Lions, who have a one-game lead on Wisconsin (No. 17 BCS, No. 15 AP) in the Leaders Division of the Big Ten, finish the season with road games against Ohio State and the Badgers.

Tickets to the championship game already have been printed and they include an image of the trophy and the name Stagg-Paterno. Big Ten spokesman Scott Chipman said many of the tickets have been shipped and the conference will not reprint the remaining tickets.

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93henfan wrote:
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Paterno no longer goes on the road to recruit. He meets with them on their official visits and Skypes in lieu of home visits. I **** you not.
Ya know, that may be even more pathetic. :ohno:
Well considering what the school is currently dealing with the school will have major problems recruiting top flight players for quite awhile.
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Penn St has hired ex-Patriots off-coordinator Bill O'Brien according to ESPN.
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Can't believe Paterno made up that lame excuse delaying calling the AD and School President that after he knew Sandusky was molesting those kids he didn't want to interfere with the vacation plans of the aformentioned AD and School President!!!!!!!!
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