Joe Paterno gravely ill

[griz37]

Read on one site, which is now down due to high traffic that his ventilator has been removed, the Penn St. message board seems to confirm the rumors. Also his son Jay has canceled an appearance for tonight. Very sad.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=8602212

[AZGrizFan]

God works in mysterious ways....

[griz37]

God works in mysterious ways....

Yes it is often mysterious when 85 year olds don't make it through lung cancer.

[grizzaholic]

Fuck him. Hope he suffers. What a POS. He sat idle while kids got raped. Off to the meat grinder, finger by finger for him.

[Ivytalk]

**** him. Hope he suffers. What a POS. He sat idle while kids got raped. Off to the meat grinder, finger by finger for him.

Way harsh.

[grizzaholic]

**** him. Hope he suffers. What a POS. He sat idle while kids got raped. Off to the meat grinder, finger by finger for him.

Way harsh.

Why? He let rape go on under his watch and he knew about it and did ZERO.

[BDKJMU]

Way harsh.

Why? He let rape go on under his watch and he knew about it and did ZERO.

Yeah, he did zero- he didn't inform his superiors....oh wait....

[grizzaholic]

Why? He let rape go on under his watch and he knew about it and did ZERO.

Yeah, he did zero- he didn't inform his superiors....oh wait....

And when....You know what, you are an apologist. Nothing I can say will change your mind.

Lets agree on disagreeing.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, he did zero- he didn't inform his superiors....oh wait....

And when....You know what, you are an apologist. Nothing I can say will change your mind.

Lets agree on disagreeing.

I'm not an apologist. I'm not saying he didn't mess up, but you can't say he did zero. Zero would have been not telling a soul.

[grizzaholic]

And when....You know what, you are an apologist. Nothing I can say will change your mind.

Lets agree on disagreeing.

I'm not an apologist. I'm not saying he didn't mess up, but you can't say he did zero. Zero would have been not telling a soul.

And again. Agree on disagreeing.

I don't hold it against you. You are a JMU fan. MM has warped your brain. I am not judging.

You just don't get it.

[BDKJMU]

I'm not an apologist. I'm not saying he didn't mess up, but you can't say he did zero. Zero would have been not telling a soul.

And again. Agree on disagreeing.

I don't hold it against you. You are a JMU fan. MM has warped your brain. I am not judging.

You just don't get it.

No you just don't get it.

When you say "off to the meat grinder, finger by finger, you are equating Paterno's actions (or lack thereof) with at a minimum Curley & Schultz, and even Sandusky, which is a crock. Sandusky is by far the #1 guilty party here, then further down, Curley & Schultz. Then to a lesser extent maybe McCreary. Then Paterno. Paterno was at the time (in 02') a clueless old man from a different era than you and I. He messed up, he doesn't deserve to be villified.

From page 1:
".....Almost as difficult for Paterno to answer is the question of why, after receiving a report in 2002 that Sandusky had abused a boy in the shower of Penn State’s Lasch Football Building, and forwarding it to his superiors, he didn’t follow up more aggressively.

“I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was,” he said. “So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.”.......

Page 5:
"....Paterno contends that ignorance was the context with which he heard McQueary’s disturbing story in 2002. McQueary, sitting at Paterno’s kitchen table, told him that he had been at the football building late the evening before when he heard noises coming from the shower.

“He was very upset and I said why, and he was very reluctant to get into it,” Paterno said. “He told me what he saw, and I said, what? He said it, well, looked like inappropriate, or fondling, I’m not quite sure exactly how he put it. I said you did what you had to do. It’s my job now to figure out what we want to do. So I sat around. It was a Saturday. Waited till Sunday because I wanted to make sure I knew what I was doing. And then I called my superiors and I said: ‘Hey, we got a problem, I think. Would you guys look into it?’ Cause I didn’t know, you know. We never had, until that point, 58 years I think, I had never had to deal with something like that. And I didn’t feel adequate.”

At that point, Paterno set up a meeting for McQueary and Curley, the athletic director, and Schultz, who oversaw university police. McQueary has testified that he gave both men a far more graphic description of what he witnessed, which he believed to be Sandusky sodomizing a boy of about 10, who had his hands against the shower wall. At the preliminary hearing for Curley and Schultz on Dec. 16, McQueary said he had been reluctant to go into similar “great detail about sexual acts” with Paterno, out of respect for the coach, who was 75 at the time.

Schultz and Curley have maintained that McQueary failed to impart the seriousness of what he saw to them as well. They never told police about the allegation, instead informing Sandusky he could no longer bring children to university facilities. Prosecutors say Sandusky continued to abuse boys for six more years.

Paterno has said, “In hindsight, I wish I had done more.”

Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”

He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.

“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man. So I just did what I thought was best. I talked to people that I thought would be, if there was a problem, that would be following up on it.”...."
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[griz37]

And again. Agree on disagreeing.

I don't hold it against you. You are a JMU fan. MM has warped your brain. I am not judging.

You just don't get it.

No you just don't get it.

When you say "off to the meat grinder, finger by finger, you are equating Paterno's actions (or lack thereof) with at a minimum Curley & Schultz, and even Sandusky, which is a crock. Sandusky is by far the #1 guilty party here, then further down, Curley & Schultz. Then to a lesser extent maybe McCreary. Then Paterno. Paterno was at the time (in 02') a clueless old man from a different era than you and I. He messed up, he doesn't deserve to be villified.

From page 1:
".....Almost as difficult for Paterno to answer is the question of why, after receiving a report in 2002 that Sandusky had abused a boy in the shower of Penn State’s Lasch Football Building, and forwarding it to his superiors, he didn’t follow up more aggressively.

“I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was,” he said. “So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.”.......

Page 5:
"....Paterno contends that ignorance was the context with which he heard McQueary’s disturbing story in 2002. McQueary, sitting at Paterno’s kitchen table, told him that he had been at the football building late the evening before when he heard noises coming from the shower.

“He was very upset and I said why, and he was very reluctant to get into it,” Paterno said. “He told me what he saw, and I said, what? He said it, well, looked like inappropriate, or fondling, I’m not quite sure exactly how he put it. I said you did what you had to do. It’s my job now to figure out what we want to do. So I sat around. It was a Saturday. Waited till Sunday because I wanted to make sure I knew what I was doing. And then I called my superiors and I said: ‘Hey, we got a problem, I think. Would you guys look into it?’ Cause I didn’t know, you know. We never had, until that point, 58 years I think, I had never had to deal with something like that. And I didn’t feel adequate.”

At that point, Paterno set up a meeting for McQueary and Curley, the athletic director, and Schultz, who oversaw university police. McQueary has testified that he gave both men a far more graphic description of what he witnessed, which he believed to be Sandusky sodomizing a boy of about 10, who had his hands against the shower wall. At the preliminary hearing for Curley and Schultz on Dec. 16, McQueary said he had been reluctant to go into similar “great detail about sexual acts” with Paterno, out of respect for the coach, who was 75 at the time.

Schultz and Curley have maintained that McQueary failed to impart the seriousness of what he saw to them as well. They never told police about the allegation, instead informing Sandusky he could no longer bring children to university facilities. Prosecutors say Sandusky continued to abuse boys for six more years.

Paterno has said, “In hindsight, I wish I had done more.”

Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”

He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.

“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man. So I just did what I thought was best. I talked to people that I thought would be, if there was a problem, that would be following up on it.”...."
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You are as right as the sky is blue, but you will not get him to agree with you.

[grizzaholic]

You still aren't grasping what I am saying. I never compared Paterno to Sandusky. Sandusky is more guilty, but at the same time Paterno is very guilty for not following through.


You still don't get it.

[BDKJMU]

You still aren't grasping what I am saying. I never compared Paterno to Sandusky. Sandusky is more guilty, but at the same time Paterno is very guilty for not following through.


You still don't get it.

No, I completely get Paterno is guilty of not following through (because he failed to grasp or understand the severity of the situation), but that doesn't = Paterno did ZERO or deserves "Off to the meat grinder, finger by finger"

[SuperHornet]

I can't believe CBS based their erroneous death report off a tweet.

[93henfan]

It is now official. RIP Joe Pa.

[Vidav]

ahhh I'm really sad now.



Not really.

[∞∞∞]

ahhh I'm really sad now.



Not really.

This.

I definitely won't remember him well...at all...but life goes on and in time, he'll be a distant memory. RIP.

[grizzaholic]

ahhh I'm really sad now.



Not really.

This.

I definitely won't remember him well...at all...but life goes on and in time, he'll be a distant memory. RIP.

Who?

[∞∞∞]

This.

I definitely won't remember him well...at all...but life goes on and in time, he'll be a distant memory. RIP.

Who?

I don't know...this black chick...Etta Paterno or something like that.

[grizzaholic]

Who?

I don't know...this black chick...Etta Paterno or something like that.

She sucks anyways. She couldn't play a skin flute to save her life.

[EPJr]

Westboro Baptist ‘Church’ to picket Paterno’s funeral

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[grizzaholic]

Westboro Baptist ‘Church’ to picket Paterno’s funeral

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And a light turns on.