A Molestation Victim's Take on JoPa's Passing

[CitadelGrad]

At least they aren't going around molesting little boys.

And like I've said before...my sister and I witnessed dozens of PSU fans walking around outside the stadium before game time with "Support Sandusky" shirts on. Team pride there.

No, you didn't. You're just lying now. What else would one expect from a tO$U POS?

[CitadelGrad]

You don't have to know a damn thing more than what's been reported to realize JoePa's guilt in this.

Right, because what has been reported is entirely correct. The media is infallible and never wishes to report speculation, innuendo and rumors as fact, merely to get site hits, higher ratings and increased circulation.

If you are paying attention to the national media on this, you have been misinformed and under-informed.

[grizzaholic]

And like I've said before...my sister and I witnessed dozens of PSU fans walking around outside the stadium before game time with "Support Sandusky" shirts on. Team pride there.

No, you didn't. You're just lying now. What else would one expect from a tO$U POS?

You seem to be really defensive about this. I wonder.....

[kalm]

You don't have to know a damn thing more than what's been reported to realize JoePa's guilt in this.

Right, because what has been reported is entirely correct. The media is infallible and never wishes to report speculation, innuendo and rumors as fact, merely to get site hits, higher ratings and increased circulation.

If you are paying attention to the national media on this, you have been misinformed and under-informed.

So produce some evidence that JoePa didn't ignore his responsibilities. What is the media missing here?

[CitadelGrad]

Right, because what has been reported is entirely correct. The media is infallible and never wishes to report speculation, innuendo and rumors as fact, merely to get site hits, higher ratings and increased circulation.

If you are paying attention to the national media on this, you have been misinformed and under-informed.

So produce some evidence that JoePa didn't ignore his responsibilities. What is the media missing here?

How about a statement from the PA attorney general? Is that good enough for you?

[CitadelGrad]

No, you didn't. You're just lying now. What else would one expect from a tO$U POS?

You seem to be really defensive about this. I wonder.....

It's just another tO$U urban myth (no pun intended) like the 2005 urine balloons. I wonder if any of you tO$U fucktards have ever tried to fill a balloon with urine. You'd just ending up pissing all over yourselves, something that tO$U fans routinely do.

[kalm]

So produce some evidence that JoePa didn't ignore his responsibilities. What is the media missing here?

How about a statement from the PA attorney general? Is that good enough for you?

Maybe, what did he say?

[Grizalltheway]

You seem to be really defensive about this. I wonder.....

It's just another tO$U urban myth (no pun intended) like the 2005 urine balloons. I wonder if any of you tO$U fucktards have ever tried to fill a balloon with urine. You'd just ending up pissing all over yourselves, something that tO$U fans routinely do.

I bet I could pull it off with the help of a funnel.

[CitadelGrad]

It's just another tO$U urban myth (no pun intended) like the 2005 urine balloons. I wonder if any of you tO$U fucktards have ever tried to fill a balloon with urine. You'd just ending up pissing all over yourselves, something that tO$U fans routinely do.

I bet I could pull it off with the help of a funnel.

Well, why don't you give it a shot and report back?

[Grizalltheway]

Will do.

[AZGrizFan]

You don't have to know a damn thing more than what's been reported to realize JoePa's guilt in this.

Right, because what has been reported is entirely correct. The media is infallible and never wishes to report speculation, innuendo and rumors as fact, merely to get site hits, higher ratings and increased circulation.

If you are paying attention to the national media on this, you have been misinformed and under-informed.

OK, Mr. Inside Information.

[Willie]

I still think he was one of those that was molested. There's a lot of tension in his posts.

[AZGrizFan]

I still think he was one of those that was molested. There's a lot of tension in his posts.

Whatever, he's getting his ass handed to him on a platter here...can't remember a bigger bloodbath in recent months.

[grizzaholic]

You seem to be really defensive about this. I wonder.....

It's just another tO$U urban myth (no pun intended) like the 2005 urine balloons. I wonder if any of you tO$U fucktards have ever tried to fill a balloon with urine. You'd just ending up pissing all over yourselves, something that tO$U fans routinely do.

Who is tO$U? You do realize that I don't watch FBS football...right? Your argument is failing faster than the Titanic.

[SDHornet]

It's just another tO$U urban myth (no pun intended) like the 2005 urine balloons. I wonder if any of you tO$U fucktards have ever tried to fill a balloon with urine. You'd just ending up pissing all over yourselves, something that tO$U fans routinely do.

Who is tO$U? You do realize that I don't watch FBS football...right? Your argument is failing faster than the Costa Concordia.

Fixed it for modern day relevance.

And I agree with AZ, this thread is one big bloodbath and was worth the read.

Here is a link to an article that has a podcast that interviews one of the leading reporters covering the story. This combined with reading the grand jury report (?) was all I needed to know about how poorly handled this was by the people that had the power to do something about it. I don't know how anyone can defend Joepa's lack of action given the severity of the situation. There is absolutely no excuse for his lack of action as a "leader", and as someone who carried the amount of clout on campus that he did. Joepa could have stopped this at the drop of a hat and decided to do the very minimum in what was legally required.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/n ... cast111511

[bench]

You don't have to know a damn thing more than what's been reported to realize JoePa's guilt in this.

Right, because what has been reported is entirely correct. The media is infallible and never wishes to report speculation, innuendo and rumors as fact, merely to get site hits, higher ratings and increased circulation.

If you are paying attention to the national media on this, you have been misinformed and under-informed.

What about the excellent work done by Sara Ganim at the Patriot-News and PennLive.com? Is she in on the conspiracy, too?

Considering the way you and some other Penn State fans have totally and deliberately missed the point of all that has happened, in order to preserve the reputation of your school, your team and Dear Leader, you might be careful about ascribing self-serving motives toward others.

[Gil Dobie]

Considering the way you and some other Penn State fans have totally and deliberately missed the point of all that has happened, in order to preserve the reputation of your school, your team and Dear Leader, you might be careful about ascribing self-serving motives toward others.

Paterno should have gone beyond the leader of the University.

[CitadelGrad]

How about a statement from the PA attorney general? Is that good enough for you?

Maybe, what did he say?

She. I guess if you don't know that, then you haven't been following the story closely enough to even make an intelligent and informed comment about it. Thanks for illustrating my point.

[CitadelGrad]

Who is tO$U? You do realize that I don't watch FBS football...right? Your argument is failing faster than the Costa Concordia.

Fixed it for modern day relevance.

And I agree with AZ, this thread is one big bloodbath and was worth the read.

Here is a link to an article that has a podcast that interviews one of the leading reporters covering the story. This combined with reading the grand jury report (?) was all I needed to know about how poorly handled this was by the people that had the power to do something about it. I don't know how anyone can defend Joepa's lack of action given the severity of the situation. There is absolutely no excuse for his lack of action as a "leader", and as someone who carried the amount of clout on campus that he did. Joepa could have stopped this at the drop of a hat and decided to do the very minimum in what was legally required.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/n ... cast111511

I think you need to look into the grand jury presentment. It is only a summation of a much larger report that has not been made public. BTW, the presentment was not supposed to have been released to the public. There is speculation that it was released in order to deflect attention away from the sitting governor and Board of Trustees member, who also happened to be the PA AG when Sandusky was first investigated in 1998. Then AG Corbett could have brought charges and had ample evidence, but declined to do so.

Here's an interesting read on the very problematic grand jury presentment. I'm sure you won't read it, but don't say I didn't give you the opportunity.

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/walter- ... nd-penn-st

[kalm]

Maybe, what did he say?

She. I guess if you don't know that, then you haven't been following the story closely enough to even make an intelligent and informed comment about it. Thanks for illustrating my point.

Damn I actually thought about that while I was posting. But no, I"m quite comfortable with the knowledge that the abuse happened, Sandusky and JoePa were tight, there was an eye witness, JoePa could have at the very least got rid of Sandusky at anytime.

[grizzaholic]

Who is tO$U? You do realize that I don't watch FBS football...right? Your argument is failing faster than the Costa Concordia.

Fixed it for modern day relevance.

This is why you are probably, PROBABLY, a better poster than PR or Mr. T.

[AZGrizFan]

Here's an interesting read on the very problematic grand jury presentment. I'm sure you won't read it, but don't say I didn't give you the opportunity.

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/walter- ... nd-penn-st

OK, Perry Mason, I read it. And it doesn't absolve Paterno of ANYTHING.

I must admit, when I first heard Paterno dispute what I took to be McQueary's grand jury testimony, I thought, "McQueary must be lying!" Thus, like many other thoughtless Americans at the time, it didn't occur to me that the author who summarized McQueary's grand jury testimony in the presentment might have crafted a misleading assertion.

It's also worth mentioning at this point that McQueary did testify he was sure he used the term "fondling" when talking to Paterno on 2 March 2002. Thus, that testimony clearly substantiates Paterno's grand jury testimony, where he asserted that he told Athletic Director Tim Curley that McQueary "had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." [Grand Jury Report, p. 7] It also answers the question posed by many disparagers of Paterno: "How was the sordid anal intercourse witnessed by McQueary passed up Penn State's chain of command by Paterno as mere "fondling?" Now you know. Anal intercourse was never mentioned, but Sandusky's rough positioning and fondling were!

Thus, the evidence strongly suggests that the grand jury presentment's second-hand summary of McQueary's testimony - which strongly and directly implied that McQueary told Paterno he witnessed anal intercourse -- is false.

Again, simply ask yourself: Should we believe the prosaic first-hand, testimony by both McQueary and Paterno about "fondling," and their denials about any discussion of anal intercourse? Or should we believe the second-hand account of McQueary's testimony that misleads the reader into inferring that McQueary told Paterno about anal intercourse?

After you've reached the correct conclusion, think about all the misplaced outrage and abuse directed at Paterno by media jackals and the many jackasses they incited, who thoughtlessly swallowed that misleading inference and indignantly asked: "How could Paterno have done so little after being told about the rape of a child?" Message to planet earth: Paterno never was told about a rape!

OH!! Well, then just never mind. JoPa IS a saint, after all...he was only told about things of a sexual nature and fondling of a child by an adult. No big deal, right?

If you feel comfortable sleeping at night that JoPa report up the chain "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy" and not "anal intercourse", waits FORTY EIGHT HOURS AFTER IT WAS REPORTED TO HIM and then drops the subject and does not follow up, does not ban Sandusky from the premisies, does not go to the police, does not confront Sandusky himself....does virtually NOTHING ELSE, and that somehow absolves him of any wrongdoing in the matter, more power to you.

Every single person involved in this process had more concern for the image of the university than the safety and health of a child. They ALL failed miserably, from McQuery on up to the board of trustees. I have a little higher bar as far as moral standards go. Whatever floats your boat.

edit: BTW, for a guy who has bitched and moaned about poor reporting and slanted reporting, this might be the worst attempt at wordsmithing guilt away that I've seen since Bill Clinton's attempt to define "is". This reporter would make Ralph Wallace proud.

[grizzaholic]

Here's an interesting read on the very problematic grand jury presentment. I'm sure you won't read it, but don't say I didn't give you the opportunity.

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/walter- ... nd-penn-st

OK, Perry Mason, I read it. And it doesn't absolve Paterno of ANYTHING.

I must admit, when I first heard Paterno dispute what I took to be McQueary's grand jury testimony, I thought, "McQueary must be lying!" Thus, like many other thoughtless Americans at the time, it didn't occur to me that the author who summarized McQueary's grand jury testimony in the presentment might have crafted a misleading assertion.

It's also worth mentioning at this point that McQueary did testify he was sure he used the term "fondling" when talking to Paterno on 2 March 2002. Thus, that testimony clearly substantiates Paterno's grand jury testimony, where he asserted that he told Athletic Director Tim Curley that McQueary "had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." [Grand Jury Report, p. 7] It also answers the question posed by many disparagers of Paterno: "How was the sordid anal intercourse witnessed by McQueary passed up Penn State's chain of command by Paterno as mere "fondling?" Now you know. Anal intercourse was never mentioned, but Sandusky's rough positioning and fondling were!

If you feel comfortable sleeping at night that JoPa report up the chain "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy" and not "anal intercourse", waits FORTY EIGHT HOURS AFTER IT WAS REPORTED TO HIM and then drops the subject and does not follow up, does not ban Sandusky from the premisies, does not go to the police, does not confront Sandusky himself....does virtually NOTHING ELSE, and that somehow absolves him of any wrongdoing in the matter, more power to you.

I have a little higher bar as far as moral standards go. Whatever floats your boat.

edit: BTW, for a guy who has bitched and moaned about poor reporting and slanted reporting, this might be the worst attempt at wordsmithing guilt away that I've seen since Bill Clinton's attempt to define "is". This reporter would make Ralph Wallace proud.

but over all

[89Hen]

I have a little higher bar as far as moral standards go.

[AZGrizFan]

I have a little higher bar as far as moral standards go.

I said 'a little'. Get off your high horse, mister.