Fighting Sioux is BACK!

[lakesbison]

if you're going to get rid of jbb, you better take darrel the scum monkey with as well.


how fuckin racists is this north dakota shit, there are native american protestors AGAINST the use of "their" name.

even if there is only a handful, change it, thats the definition of racism to ignore their wishes.

[Darell1976]

if you're going to get rid of jbb, you better take darrel the scum monkey with as well.


how **** racists is this north dakota ****, there are native american protestors AGAINST the use of "their" name.

even if there is only a handful, change it, thats the definition of racism to ignore their wishes.

Scum monkey? Wow Lakes thats a new one. What else you got?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

if you're going to get rid of jbb, you better take darrel the scum monkey with as well.


how **** racists is this north dakota ****, there are native american protestors AGAINST the use of "their" name.

even if there is only a handful, change it, thats the definition of racism to ignore their wishes.

Scum monkey? Wow Lakes thats a new one. What else you got?

Hey, darell....why not just ignore lakes?

What is your prediction for UND's first BSC season? In the running for the title or is next year the year?

[grizzaholic]

Scum monkey? Wow Lakes thats a new one. What else you got?

Hey, darell....why not just ignore lakes?

What is your prediction for UND's first BSC season? In the running for the title or is next year the year?

I would love for UND to run the table next year, right through the B(f)SC, right on through the playoffs, and then dominate a CAA team in the chipper. BOY, I bet JBB would kill himself. It would be worth it.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Hey, darell....why not just ignore lakes?

What is your prediction for UND's first BSC season? In the running for the title or is next year the year?

I would love for UND to run the table next year, right through the B(f)SC, right on through the playoffs, and then dominate a CAA team in the chipper. BOY, I bet JBB would kill himself. It would be worth it.

IMO, UND needs a couple of more good recruiting classes before they can make a serious run.....but you never know. Next year in the BSC, Grizz and Cats should be the teams to beat. Grizz looked pretty good in the 2nd half against SHSU; and they totally dominated UNI. If UNI brought their A game it would have been a better game.

[grizzaholic]

I would love for UND to run the table next year, right through the B(f)SC, right on through the playoffs, and then dominate a CAA team in the chipper. BOY, I bet JBB would kill himself. It would be worth it.

IMO, UND needs a couple of more good recruiting classes before they can make a serious run.....but you never know. Next year in the BSC, Grizz and Cats should be the teams to beat. Grizz looked pretty good in the 2nd half against SHSU; and they totally dominated UNI. If UNI brought their A game it would have been a better game.

How can you toss out a post like this, but most of your shit is a JBB re-hash to the extreme?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

IMO, UND needs a couple of more good recruiting classes before they can make a serious run.....but you never know. Next year in the BSC, Grizz and Cats should be the teams to beat. Grizz looked pretty good in the 2nd half against SHSU; and they totally dominated UNI. If UNI brought their A game it would have been a better game.

How can you toss out a post like this, but most of your **** is a JBB re-hash to the extreme?

I've probably gone alittle "overboard" with darell and his bashing of our FBS games. I like talking FCS FB but I'm not perfect and get alittle "aggrevated" sometimes. I tend to wear my emotions on my sleave too much at times.

I bleed green and yellow and will not apologize for that but I guess some of my posts were alittle "over-the-top".

BTW, I wouldn't classify myself even in the same ballpark as JBB.....

[grizzaholic]

How can you toss out a post like this, but most of your **** is a JBB re-hash to the extreme?

I've probably gone alittle "overboard" with darell and his bashing of our FBS games. I like talking FCS FB but I'm not perfect and get alittle "aggrevated" sometimes. I tend to wear my emotions on my sleave too much at times.

I bleed green and yellow and will not apologize for that but I guess some of my posts were alittle "over-the-top".

BTW, I wouldn't classify myself even in the same ballpark as JBB.....

Just as a quick check:::: You got yourself an early REP. as a JBB wanna-be. Might want to take some of your, and others advice, and cool it on the UND shit as well as the over-the-top NDSU shit.

You can give out a great post about this or that but it will be lost every time if you keep on with the JBB/Lakes shit.

-----------------THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR NORTH DAKOTA STATE FANS---------------



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[Darell1976]

Scum monkey? Wow Lakes thats a new one. What else you got?

Hey, darell....why not just ignore lakes?

What is your prediction for UND's first BSC season? In the running for the title or is next year the year?

UND had a great recruiting class but is very unknown at QB. We got Bradley last year who didn't have the accuracy down, now this year Mollberg will IMO be redshirted, we have Hansen from North Carolina in his last year of being eligible so he may get a start. Maybe that SD Mines won't be too bad, kind of a preseason look at the newbies. UND will be strong at home with a now consistant DI schedule. No NAIA teams in the middle of the year and no 2 FBS games. We play San Diego State after the PSU (non-conference) game so if we can go 2-1 or should I say 1-1 since the SD Mines doesn't count we have Montana at home, Cal Poly at home, and SUU at home. I say we could challenge for the BSC title but that big question mark at QB really stands out.

[JBB]

UND Fighting Sioux (yes Sioux Dammit) Fact Check:

The NCAA is not bound by state laws.

FALSE!!

FACT: The NCAA is an association licensed to and conducting business in the State of North Dakota (see all ND univeristies with NCAA affiliations). Consequently, its actions within the State of North Dakota must comply with North Dakota law; i.e., the Carlson law. Voting "yes" on the petition question is a vote in favor of "FIGHTING SIOUX ATHLETICS"!!

UND couldnt handle this on their own and need our help. Please vote yes to keep the nickname. Dont let the NC$$ kick Ralph Engelsted around, or the State of North Dakota!

[lakesbison]

HA HA. keep the nickname dumbasses.

from und twitter.....

Just found out our invitation to a track and field meet at the Univ. of Iowa in March has been rescinded, due to resumption of nickname use.
General by UNDSID on Feb 21, 2012 11:19:56 AM

[Darell1976]

HA HA. keep the nickname dumbasses.

from und twitter.....

Just found out our invitation to a track and field meet at the Univ. of Iowa in March has been rescinded, due to resumption of nickname use.
General by UNDSID on Feb 21, 2012 11:19:56 AM

Wake up call for the pro-nickname folks out there...Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota have policies against scheduling teams on the H&A list which UND is because of those petitions that 17,000 jackholes signed. Wisconsin told Coach Hakstol they cannot schedule UND in hockey starting in 2013-2014 because of the nickname..not a coinsidence he comes out shortly afterwards against keeping the name. Minnesota will issue the same policy in hockey too. Both Wisconsin and Minnesota move to the new Big Ten Hockey Conference starting in the 2013-2014 season.

[JBB]

This is no time to turn coward. The Fight to keep the Fighting Sioux (yes Sioux dammit) in entering the final stage of victory.

UND Fighting Sioux Fact Check:

UND's geography limits its appeal to the Big Sky Conference especially without a travel partner.

FALSE!

FACT: UND is the sun. Other BCS schools are planets except for Southern Utah which is a moon. If UND was any closer to BSC schools their stature and reputation would decline in comparison to the brilliant luminescence of UND.

Vote yes if you are tired of the NC$$ pushing everybody around. Dont let Iowa tell UND what to do. They couldnt handle this thing up there. they have been trying for 50 years. They need our help. Vote yes to keep the nickname and let UND keep its honor! Go Sioux Forever!!!

[JBB]

FIGHTING SIOUX FACT CHECK:

Ralph Engelstad died in Las Vegas on November 26, 2002.

FALSE!!!

To this day, he speaks from the Great Beyond, striking fear in the hearts of anyone who merely suggests dropping the sue logo. He is much like the legendary Keyser Söze from "The Usual Suspects", unseen but scaring the sh*t out of you.

Please help UND. After their epic diplomatic failure they need our help more than ever. Restore thier pride vote yes to keep the nickname!

[JBB]

If the nickname is retired UND will become eligible to host a playoff game. If they were in a playoff position its likely, in a bidding situation, they would be bidding against NDSU. They might use the Fabulous Fargo Dome as the basis for their bid and move the game down there as the home team rather than take a huge beating trying to out-bid The BISON using the using the much smaller and slightly inadequate Alerus center.

[Darell1976]

If the nickname is retired UND will become eligible to host a playoff game. If they were in a playoff position its likely, in a bidding situation, they would be bidding against NDSU. They might use the Fabulous Fargo Dome as the basis for their bid and move the game down there as the home team rather than take a huge beating trying to out-bid The BISON using the using the much smaller and slightly inadequate Alerus center.

UND couldn't host a playoff game at all reguardless where it was. UND could never bid for a home playoff spot.

[lakesbison]

and another response from a NATIVE AMERICAN!!!!!!! read it!

Delvin Cree: Treaties and the debate over ‘Fighting Sioux’
Friday, February 24, 2012

Some of the historical history surrounding North Dakota’s “Fighting Sioux” controversy has been pushed aside during a time when discussions are in place to keep the name and logo.

Soon the North Dakota Supreme Court will hear arguments from interested parties who have a stake in this situation. But what people are not hearing is what took place over a hundred years ago at the signing of the 1863 Old Crossing Treaty, which included the Red Lake and Pembina Band of Chippewa. This treaty land base includes an area which the University of North Dakota sits on.

While many discussions regarding the use of the “Fighting Sioux” name and logo have taken place; many feel the Sioux community should have all the say in this situation. I have to disagree and I have a difference view of things and please let me share them.

In article 1 of the Old Crossing Treaty it states, “The peace and friendship now existing between the United States and the Red Lake and Pembina bands of Chippewa Indians shall be perpetual”.

I’m sure the terms of this statement may mean a number of things if an attorney used it for court purposes. But in this situation, I’m gonna view things in a sense the Sioux and the University has created a hostile and insensitive environment for American Indian people who have been offended by individuals who have used our imagery in the wrong context.

A good example is the use of the “Fighting Sioux” name and logo which has been offensive to many tribal people — including the Pembina Chippewa such as myself. So far, this argument of keeping the name and logo has not been heard in a federal court setting. Eventually, if it doe’s, I’m sure the Pembina Chippewa will have the opportunity to share our concerns.

Another Treaty was made between the Dakota Sioux and Pembina Chippewa in 1858 before the Old Crossing Treaty. This treaty was done with the assistance from the U.S. government and was called the “Sweet Corn Treaty”.

When this treaty was made, both the Sioux and Pembina Chippewa outlined boundaries which they would have claim to. The Pembina Chippewa took claim to 11 million acres and the “Sweet Corn” treaty document supported the Chippewa having title to the land negotiated.

Thirty three years prior, the forefathers of the both tribes had secured the proposed treaty by exchanging babies and voicing the comment, “We will not make war against our grandchildren.”

Today, the Pembina Chippewa and the Sioux are in no position of having a war but there has been a difference of opinion between the two Tribes regarding the use of Indian imagery. Though some Sioux members may feel they are being honored by the use of Indian imagery but some like myself feel differently.

According to the Sweet Corn Treaty, there shall be no disagreements between the two tribes. In my opinion, this ould be used to bring peace between our tribes and help eliminate the use of the “Fighting Sioux” name and logo.

In researching my ancestral roots, I have come across another treaty which states there be peace between the Sioux and their neighbors which include the Chippewa and other Tribes. The Prairie du Chien Treaty was made in 1825 and was created during a time when white settlers were encroaching in a western direction towards Wisconsin, Iowa and the Dakotas.

During this period the Sioux came into conflict with tribes when they moved into their western traditional territory. The U.S. government helped negotiate this treaty to reduce tribal warfare between tribes. Again, here’s a treaty which states there be peace between the Sioux and my ancestors. This treaty has many similarities as the Sweet Corn Treaty.

In 1871, Congress ended treaties with tribes but these same agreements contain promises which bind the nation today. Our treaties, according to the U.S. Constitution, are the supreme law of the land. Other treaties made between tribes which included the U.S. government involvement during tribal negotiations are also binding.

In the near future, oral arguments will be heard at the North Dakota Supreme Court level. I’m sure supporters who want to keep the “Fighting Sioux” name and logo will “skirt” the issue that federal laws being broken.

But the racist and bigotry behavior will continue if sport teams continue to use our imagery. A good example hit news headlines across the nation when a hockey game series took place in Minnesota. (This state is also known as “Minnesota Nice” in much of their advertising.)

In a recent Associated Press article published in The Washington Post on February 21, 2012, there were reports of students who made war-hooping noises and chanted “Hi, HOW are you? and “smallpox blankets” during hockey games which the “Fighting Sioux” were playing.

The games were held February 10 and February 11, 2012. The smallpox blanket comments made were in reference to Indians who were given smallpox infected blankets by the U.S. government and white settlers- which eventually killed off many of our ancestors.

After this bad sportsmanship, the University of Minnesota – Duluth where the incidents took place, issued warnings to student ticket holders saying: “Any profane, racial, sexist, or abusive comments or actions directed at officials, opposing players or teams” could lead to their ejection from the arena or cost them their season tickets.

The University of North Dakota decided to retire the “Fighting Sioux” name and logo after the NCAA required them to do so after it was found that the use of Indian imagery created a racist and hostile environment. But supporters of the name and logo have gathered enough signatures to temporarily restore a state law requiring its use. Future state hearings will decide if the “Fighting Sioux” issue will go to a state-wide vote.

Supporters of the “Fighting Sioux” name and logo — which include a few tribal people from the Sioux population — who want to keep the name and logo should consider what took place during the recent hockey game held in Minnesota. This is a perfect example this insensitive behavior will continue if the use of our imagery continues.

There is also a resolution in place by the Turtle Mountain Tribe, of which I am a member, that states the University of North Dakota drop the name and logo.

As a member of this tribe and a direct descendant of the great Pembina Chippewa leader — Chief Little Shell, who helped negotiate the Old Crossing Treaty — the “Fighting Sioux” imagery should be dropped. The inappropriate comments, the racist behavior, and, at times, a hostile environment have persuaded me in my decision.

Delvin Cree is a columnist/writer for The Tribal Independent, an alternative on-line news source for the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa. Cree is also a contributor to the tribe’s newspaper The Turtle Mountain Times and Indianz.com, a national news source for American Indians

[Darell1976]

and another response from a NATIVE AMERICAN!!!!!!! read it!

Delvin Cree: Treaties and the debate over ‘Fighting Sioux’
Friday, February 24, 2012


As a member of this tribe and a direct descendant of the great Pembina Chippewa leader — Chief Little Shell, who helped negotiate the Old Crossing Treaty — the “Fighting Sioux” imagery should be dropped. The inappropriate comments, the racist behavior, and, at times, a hostile environment have persuaded me in my decision.

Delvin Cree is a columnist/writer for The Tribal Independent, an alternative on-line news source for the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa. Cree is also a contributor to the tribe’s newspaper The Turtle Mountain Times and Indianz.com, a national news source for American Indians

As some Spirit Lake Sioux tribe members have said...Our SIOUX name is no business to any Chippewa tribe. Which makes sense..why doesn't the Chippewa picket Central Michigan? The NCAA allowed CMU to use the closest Chippewa tribe...why didn't the NCAA ask Turtle Mountain (ND), Leech Lake (MN), White Earth(MN), Red Lake (MN) and numerous ones in Wisconsin and Michigan if they approve the name by CMU? Don't worry Lakes, I hope the NDSC ends this all and UND retires the name so we can start over.

[pantherrob82]

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[grizzaholic]

Soon the North Dakota Supreme Court will hear arguments from interested parties who have a stake in this situation. But what people are not hearing is what took place over a hundred years ago at the signing of the 1863 Old Crossing Treaty, which included the Red Lake and Pembina Band of Chippewa. This treaty land base includes an area which the University of North Dakota sits on.

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[gobison176]

I'm a Bison fan first, have been since 1965, but I'm a North Dakota fan and I can't tell you how incensed I am with the NCAA. I am so fed up with the PC censorship crapola that has gripped this country for so many years now I could spit! You can bet I'll be voting on this matter. And to the lilly-livered one who complained about the ignorant people of ND not knowing what's up, I say go crawl in your hole, cover yourself over and don't show your cowardly face ever again.

[gobison176]

lakesbison, stick it where the sun don't shine!!!

[Darell1976]

I'm a Bison fan first, have been since 1965, but I'm a North Dakota fan and I can't tell you how incensed I am with the NCAA. I am so fed up with the PC censorship crapola that has gripped this country for so many years now I could spit! You can bet I'll be voting on this matter. And to the lilly-livered one who complained about the ignorant people of ND not knowing what's up, I say go crawl in your hole, cover yourself over and don't show your cowardly face ever again.

Voting against the name is not cowardly its facing reality. UND coaches say retiring the name is the right thing to do because they have lost recruits, lost games, and could lose a conference. I am not a fan of PC but I am a fan of reality. You vote to keep the name you vote to kill UND athletics.

[Gil Dobie]

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