2011-12 Big Sky Basketball

Wildcat Ryan · Post by **Wildcat Ryan** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:28 am

Beat MSU Griz, so we really can have that 14-1 vs 14-1 showdown.

Mvemjsunpx · Post by **Mvemjsunpx** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:06 pm

Wildcat Ryan wrote:Beat MSU Griz, so we really can have that 14-1 vs 14-1 showdown.

Do you really want that? There's a chance Weber could win the league without beating the Griz if the Griz lose to MSU.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:33 pm

Mvemjsunpx wrote:
Wildcat Ryan wrote:Beat MSU Griz, so we really can have that 14-1 vs 14-1 showdown.
Do you really want that? There's a chance Weber could win the league without beating the Griz if the Griz lose to MSU.

It's much more dramatic at 14-1 vs 14-1.

Mvemjsunpx · Post by **Mvemjsunpx** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:47 am

Here's the specific scenarios with about a week's worth of games left. Sac State & NAU are eliminated, so they will not be listed. Everyone has at least 1 game left (none more than 2), & that will still be true after tomorrow for everyone except Sac. This is complicated in spots so if I've made a mistake, please point that out.

There is one possible tiebreaker that would require RPI to break: Montana/Weber if UM beats Weber and loses to MSU and Idaho State ends up tied with the Bobcats. I'm assuming the Wildcats will win that.

WEB:. (1) - Clinches with a win over UMT

.... - OR with a UMT loss to MSU AND either 2 ISU losses OR both an ISU loss AND an MSU win over NAU
(2) - Clinches with a loss to UMT AND either a UMT win over MSU OR 2 ISU wins OR both an ISU win AND an MSU loss

UMT:. (1) - Clinches with a win over WEB AND either a win over MSU OR 2 ISU wins OR both an ISU win AND

an MSU loss
(2) - Clinches with a loss to WEB
.... - OR with a loss to MSU AND either 2 ISU losses OR both an ISU loss AND an MSU win over NAU

PSU:. (3) - Clinches with a win over EWU

.... - OR with an EWU loss to ISU AND either a win over UNC OR both an ISU loss to SAC AND an MSU loss
(4) - Clinches with 2 EWU wins AND either a win over UNC OR an MSU loss
.... - OR with 2 losses AND 2 ISU wins AND an MSU loss
(5) - Clinches with 2 losses AND 2 MSU wins AND an ISU loss
(6) - Clinches with 2 losses AND 2 MSU wins AND 2 ISU wins

EWU:. (3) - Clinches with a win over PSU AND either a win over ISU OR (all three) a PSU loss to

UNC AND an ISU loss to SAC AND 2 MSU wins
(4) - Clinches with a loss to PSU AND a win over ISU
.... - OR with a win over PSU AND a loss to ISU AND any of these scenarios…
.... - (a) an MSU loss AND a PSU loss to UNC AND an ISU loss to SAC
.... - (b) 2 MSU wins AND a PSU win over UNC AND an ISU loss to SAC
.... - (c) 2 MSU wins AND a PSU loss to UNC AND an ISU win over SAC
(5) - Clinches with 2 losses AND an MSU loss
.... - OR with a win over PSU AND a loss to ISU AND any of these scenarios…
.... - (a) a PSU win over UNC AND an ISU win over SAC
.... - (b) an MSU loss AND a PSU win over UNC AND an ISU loss to SAC
.... - (c) an MSU loss AND a PSU loss to UNC AND an ISU win over SAC
(6) - Clinches with 2 losses AND 2 MSU wins

ISU:. (3) - Clinches with 2 wins AND 2 PSU losses

(4) - Clinches with 2 wins AND a PSU win
.... - OR with a win over EWU AND an EWU loss to PSU AND either an MSU loss OR a WEB win over UMT
.... - OR with a win over EWU AND a PSU win over UNC AND an MSU loss
(5) - Clinches with a win over SAC AND a loss to EWU AND either an MSU loss OR both a PSU win AND a WEB win over UMT
.... - OR with 2 losses AND either an MSU loss to UMT OR both an MSU loss to NAU AND a WEB win over UMT
.... - OR with a loss to SAC AND a win over EWU AND any of these scenarios…
.... - (a) an EWU win over PSU AND a PSU loss to UNC AND an MSU loss
.... - (b) an EWU win over PSU AND a PSU win over UNC AND 2 MSU wins
.... - (c) a PSU win over EWU AND 2 MSU wins AND a UMT win over WEB
(6) - Clinches with a win over SAC AND a loss to EWU AND either 2 PSU losses OR both a PSU win over UNC AND a UMT win over WEB
.... - OR with a loss to SAC AND a win over EWU AND 2 PSU losses AND 2 MSU wins
.... - OR with 2 losses AND an MSU win over UMT AND either an MSU win over NAU OR a UMT win over WEB

MSU:. (4) - Clinches with 2 wins AND 2 PSU losses AND either an EWU win over ISU OR an ISU loss to SAC

.... - OR with 2 wins AND 2 EWU losses AND an ISU loss to SAC AND a UMT win over WEB
(5) - Clinches with a win over UMT AND a loss to NAU AND 2 ISU losses AND a UMT win over WEB
.... - OR with 2 wins AND any of the following scenarios…
.... - (a) 2 ISU wins AND either a PSU win over EWU OR a PSU loss to UNC
.... - (b) 2 ISU losses AND a PSU win
.... - (c) an ISU win over SAC AND an ISU loss to EWU AND a PSU win AND a UMT win over WEB
(6) - Clinches with a loss to UMT AND either a win over NAU OR a UNC loss OR an EWU loss
.... - OR with a loss to NAU AND either an ISU win OR a WEB win over UMT
.... - OR with 2 wins AND any of the following scenarios…
.... - (a) 2 ISU wins AND an EWU win over PSU AND a PSU win over UNC
.... - (b) an ISU loss to SAC AND an ISU win over EWU AND an EWU win over PSU AND a PSU win over UNC
.... - (c) an ISU win over SAC AND an ISU loss to EWU AND a PSU win AND a UMT win over WEB
Out - Clinches with 2 losses AND a UNC win over PSU AND 2 EWU wins

UNC:. (6) - Clinches with a win over PSU AND 2 MSU losses AND 2 EWU wins

Out - Clinches with a loss OR an MSU win OR an EWU loss

Post by **Screamin_Eagle174** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:38 am

Mvemjsunpx wrote:Here's the specific scenarios with about a week's worth of games left. Sac State & NAU are eliminated, so they will not be listed. Everyone has at least 1 game left (none more than 2), & that will still be true after tomorrow for everyone except Sac. This is complicated in spots so if I've made a mistake, please point that out.

There is one possible tiebreaker that would require RPI to break: Montana/Weber if UM beats Weber and loses to MSU and Idaho State ends up tied with the Bobcats. I'm assuming the Wildcats will win that.

WEB:. (1) - Clinches with a win over UMT
.... - OR with a UMT loss to MSU AND either 2 ISU losses OR both an ISU loss AND an MSU win over NAU
(2) - Clinches with a loss to UMT AND either a UMT win over MSU OR 2 ISU wins OR both an ISU win AND an MSU loss
UMT:. (1) - Clinches with a win over WEB AND either a win over MSU OR 2 ISU wins OR both an ISU win AND
an MSU loss
(2) - Clinches with a loss to WEB
.... - OR with a loss to MSU AND either 2 ISU losses OR both an ISU loss AND an MSU win over NAU
PSU:. (3) - Clinches with a win over EWU
.... - OR with an EWU loss to ISU AND either a win over UNC OR both an ISU loss to SAC AND an MSU loss
(4) - Clinches with 2 EWU wins AND either a win over UNC OR an MSU loss
.... - OR with 2 losses AND 2 ISU wins AND an MSU loss
(5) - Clinches with 2 losses AND 2 MSU wins AND an ISU loss
(6) - Clinches with 2 losses AND 2 MSU wins AND 2 ISU wins
EWU:. (3) - Clinches with a win over PSU AND either a win over ISU OR (all three) a PSU loss to
UNC AND an ISU loss to SAC AND 2 MSU wins
(4) - Clinches with a loss to PSU AND a win over ISU
.... - OR with a win over PSU AND a loss to ISU AND any of these scenarios…
.... - (a) an MSU loss AND a PSU loss to UNC AND an ISU loss to SAC
.... - (b) 2 MSU wins AND a PSU win over UNC AND an ISU loss to SAC
.... - (c) 2 MSU wins AND a PSU loss to UNC AND an ISU win over SAC
(5) - Clinches with 2 losses AND an MSU loss
.... - OR with a win over PSU AND a loss to ISU AND any of these scenarios…
.... - (a) a PSU win over UNC AND an ISU win over SAC
.... - (b) an MSU loss AND a PSU win over UNC AND an ISU loss to SAC
.... - (c) an MSU loss AND a PSU loss to UNC AND an ISU win over SAC
(6) - Clinches with 2 losses AND 2 MSU wins
ISU:. (3) - Clinches with 2 wins AND 2 PSU losses
(4) - Clinches with 2 wins AND a PSU win
.... - OR with a win over EWU AND an EWU loss to PSU AND either an MSU loss OR a WEB win over UMT
.... - OR with a win over EWU AND a PSU win over UNC AND an MSU loss
(5) - Clinches with a win over SAC AND a loss to EWU AND either an MSU loss OR both a PSU win AND a WEB win over UMT
.... - OR with 2 losses AND either an MSU loss to UMT OR both an MSU loss to NAU AND a WEB win over UMT
.... - OR with a loss to SAC AND a win over EWU AND any of these scenarios…
.... - (a) an EWU win over PSU AND a PSU loss to UNC AND an MSU loss
.... - (b) an EWU win over PSU AND a PSU win over UNC AND 2 MSU wins
.... - (c) a PSU win over EWU AND 2 MSU wins AND a UMT win over WEB
(6) - Clinches with a win over SAC AND a loss to EWU AND either 2 PSU losses OR both a PSU win over UNC AND a UMT win over WEB
.... - OR with a loss to SAC AND a win over EWU AND 2 PSU losses AND 2 MSU wins
.... - OR with 2 losses AND an MSU win over UMT AND either an MSU win over NAU OR a UMT win over WEB
MSU:. (4) - Clinches with 2 wins AND 2 PSU losses AND either an EWU win over ISU OR an ISU loss to SAC
.... - OR with 2 wins AND 2 EWU losses AND an ISU loss to SAC AND a UMT win over WEB
(5) - Clinches with a win over UMT AND a loss to NAU AND 2 ISU losses AND a UMT win over WEB
.... - OR with 2 wins AND any of the following scenarios…
.... - (a) 2 ISU wins AND either a PSU win over EWU OR a PSU loss to UNC
.... - (b) 2 ISU losses AND a PSU win
.... - (c) an ISU win over SAC AND an ISU loss to EWU AND a PSU win AND a UMT win over WEB
(6) - Clinches with a loss to UMT AND either a win over NAU OR a UNC loss OR an EWU loss
.... - OR with a loss to NAU AND either an ISU win OR a WEB win over UMT
.... - OR with 2 wins AND any of the following scenarios…
.... - (a) 2 ISU wins AND an EWU win over PSU AND a PSU win over UNC
.... - (b) an ISU loss to SAC AND an ISU win over EWU AND an EWU win over PSU AND a PSU win over UNC
.... - (c) an ISU win over SAC AND an ISU loss to EWU AND a PSU win AND a UMT win over WEB
Out - Clinches with 2 losses AND a UNC win over PSU AND 2 EWU wins
UNC:. (6) - Clinches with a win over PSU AND 2 MSU losses AND 2 EWU wins
Out - Clinches with a loss OR an MSU win OR an EWU loss

You have WAY too much time on your hands.

Mvemjsunpx · Post by **Mvemjsunpx** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:39 am

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:You have WAY too much time on your hands.

Eh, it's kinda fun.

I wasn't expecting it to be quite that convoluted when I started working on it…

Post by **grizzaholic** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:09 am

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
You have WAY too much time on your hands.

At least he doesn't spend his extra time wanking it to Bisonville.com.

Bronco · Post by **Bronco** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:31 pm

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gave me a headache

Go Lady Griz and Griz

I want a sweep

Mvemjsunpx · Post by **Mvemjsunpx** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:52 pm

Bronco wrote:gave me a headache

Yeah, I know.

Don't worry, it should be a lot easier to read after tonight regardless of what happens.

Bronco · Post by **Bronco** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:58 pm

you are correct

Robin is a cat killer now 68-15 against state
Congrats to the Lady Griz

Now I hope the men can do the same

Post by **Screamin_Eagle174** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:45 pm

grizzaholic wrote:
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
You have WAY too much time on your hands.
At least he doesn't spend his extra time wanking it to Bisonville.com.

Been there once for a minute tops since they restricted my account because they couldn't handle my Bill Fette/UND talk.

Willie · Post by **Willie** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:29 pm

The Cats still can't beat the Griz.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:32 pm

Willie wrote:

The Cats still can't beat the Griz.

What an ugly ugly game. Lot of missed calls/wrong calls for both teams. That one near the end where Selvig hammered a Bobcat shooting a three and nothing. It should have made the game really interesting but...I guess, lucky break.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:34 pm

And what in the fuck has happened to Bobcat basketball? They have lost 8? straight?

Willie · Post by **Willie** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:42 pm

Game wasn't on tv here for some whoreish reason. Fucking Optimum.

Post by **Screamin_Eagle174** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:43 pm

grizzaholic wrote:And what in the fuck has happened to Bobcat basketball? They have lost 8? straight?

Typical late season collapse, this year aided by their leading scorer opening his mouth to the wrong bobcat football player.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:43 pm

Willie wrote:Game wasn't on tv here for some whoreish reason. Fucking Optimum.

CW was the channel.

Post by **Screamin_Eagle174** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:43 pm

Willie wrote:Game wasn't on tv here for some whoreish reason. Fucking Optimum.

Wouldn't that make it some prudeish reason?

Willie · Post by **Willie** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:08 pm

No, they're channel whores here in Deer Lodge. We're supposed to have over 100 HD channels with the package we have...and yeah, we've got 12. They say it's because they're installing new fiber optics...well that's been done since August and no new channels. Cunts.

Post by **Screamin_Eagle174** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:16 pm

Willie wrote:No, they're channel whores here in Deer Lodge. We're supposed to have over 100 HD channels with the package we have...and yeah, we've got 12. They say it's because they're installing new fiber optics...well that's been done since August and no new channels. Cunts.

Exactly my point; they're with holding channels/games, not overindulging everyone. They're prudes.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:19 pm

Willie wrote:No, they're channel whores here in Deer Lodge. We're supposed to have over 100 HD channels with the package we have...and yeah, we've got 12. They say it's because they're installing new fiber optics...well that's been done since August and no new channels. Cunts.

Fuckers.

Mvemjsunpx · Post by **Mvemjsunpx** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:40 am

Men

EWU 64-69 PSU; Chehales Tapscott & Renado Parker get double-doubles for the recently surging Viks
SAC 70-67 ISU; Kenny McGowen scores 30, but Joe Eberhard hits a game-winning trey for the lame-duck Hornets
MSU 47-57 UMT; The Griz hold MSU to 33% shooting to ensure a conference-title showdown Tuesday

Women

ISU 63-50 EWU; The Bengals clinch the regular-season title by outshooting EWU 64%-20% from the arc
SAC 84-82 PSU; All five Hornet starters score in double-figures as Sac keeps their season alive
UNC 62-54 WEB; Kaisha Brown gets a career-high 26 points to help NoCo stave off an upset
MSU 59-77 UMT; Lady Griz beat MSU at home for the first time in 3 years by closing the game on a 26-6 run

Mvemjsunpx · Post by **Mvemjsunpx** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:00 am

Side note - "Clinched Home QF" means that team has clinched at least a home QF game. Also keep in mind that the women's tourney has no home QF games.

- Men
  
  1. Weber State__________14-1_____23-4_____ W6/W7___Clinched First-Round Bye
  2. Montana _____________14-1_____22-6_____ W10/W11___Clinched First-Round Bye
  3. Portland State_________9-6_____15-13____ W5/W2___Clinched the #3-seed
  4. Eastern Washington___7-8_____13-16____ L1___Clinched Berth/Elim. from Bye
  5. Idaho State ___________7-8______9-19____ L2/L3___Clinched Berth/Elim. from Bye
  6. Montana State ________6-9_____11-16____ L7/L8___Clinched the #6-seed
  7. Northern Colorado____5-10_____9-18____ L2/L1___Elim. from Tournament Contention
  8. Sacramento State _____5-11____10-18____ W1___Elim. from Tournament Contention
  9. Northern Arizona _____1-14_____5-23____ L14/L15___Elim. from Tournament Contention

- Women
  
  1. Idaho State __________13-2_____21-7_____ W1___Clinched Regular-Season Title
  2. Eastern Washington__10-5_____16-12____ L3___Clinched Berth/Elim. from Title
  3. Northern Colorado____9-5_____17-10____ W3___Clinched Berth/Elim. from Title
  4. Montana ______________9-5_____16-11____ W2___Clinched Berth/Elim. from Title
  5. Montana State ________9-6_____17-10____ L1___Clinched Berth/Elim. from Title
  6. Sacramento State _____7-9_____12-17____ W4___Elim. from Bye Contention
  7. Portland State_________6-8_____14-13____ L1___Elim. from Bye Contention
  8. Northern Arizona _____3-11_____8-19____ L1/L2___Elim. from Tournament Contention
  9. Weber State___________0-15_____2-26____ L17/L18___Elim. from Tournament Contention

Mvemjsunpx · Post by **Mvemjsunpx** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:07 am

Wow… After one day of games, the seeding scenarios transform from something too complex to understand into something so simple as to be not even worth reading. Oh, and NoCo was eliminated, so they won't be listed anymore.

WEB:. (1) - Clinches with a win over UMT

(2) - Clinches with a loss to UMT

UMT:. (1) - Clinches with a win over WEB

(2) - Clinches with a loss to WEB

PSU:. (3) - Clinched

EWU:. (4) - Clinches with a win over ISU

(5) - Clinches with a loss to ISU

ISU:. (4) - Clinches with a win over EWU

(5) - Clinches with a loss to EWU

MSU:. (6) - Clinched

Mvemjsunpx · Post by **Mvemjsunpx** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:38 am

There are 6 total games left on the women's side—one Monday, one Thursday, & four Saturday. Four teams have two games left, four teams have one game left, and Sac is finished. NAU & Weber are not listed because they are eliminated.

There's a possibility a Montana/EWU tie at 10-6 could come down to RPI (if UM splits beating NAU & losing to PSU). I have no idea who would win that, so a scenario where that team would have to win the RPI tiebreaker to fulfill it is denoted with an asterisk (*). A double asterisk (**) denotes that they would have to lose the RPI tiebreaker.

ISU:. (1) - Clinched

EWU:. (2) - Clinches with a win AND a UNC loss

.... - OR with 2 UNC losses AND either 2 UMT losses OR just a UMT loss to PSU*
(3) - Clinches with a win AND 2 UNC wins
.... - OR with a loss AND any of these scenarios…
.... - (a) 2 UNC wins AND 2 UMT losses
.... - (b) 2 UMT wins AND either 2 UNC losses OR both a UNC loss AND an MSU loss
.... - (c) 2 UNC losses AND either a UMT win over PSU OR a UMT win over NAU (but not both)**
.... - (d) a UNC win AND a UMT loss to PSU AND a UMT win over NAU*
(4) - Clinches with a loss AND any of these scenarios…
.... - (a) a UNC split AND an MSU win AND 2 UMT losses
.... - (b) a UNC win AND a UMT loss to PSU AND a UMT win over NAU**
.... - (c) 2 UMT wins AND either 2 UNC wins OR both a UNC split AND an MSU loss
(5) - Clinches with a loss AND 2 UMT wins AND a UNC split AND an MSU win

UNC:. (2) - Clinches with 2 wins

.... - OR with a split AND either an MSU loss OR both an EWU loss AND a UMT loss
(3) - Clinches with 2 losses AND 2 UMT losses AND an MSU loss
.... - OR with a split AND any of these scenarios…
.... - (a) an EWU loss AND 2 UMT losses AND an MSU win
.... - (b) an EWU win AND a UMT loss AND an MSU loss
.... - (c) an EWU loss AND 2 UMT wins AND an MSU loss
(4) - Clinches with a split AND an EWU win AND a UMT loss AND an MSU win
.... - OR with 2 losses AND 2 UMT losses
(5) - Clinches with a split AND an EWU win AND 2 UMT wins AND an MSU win
.... - OR with 2 losses AND a UMT win

UMT:. (2) - Clinches with 2 wins AND an EWU loss AND a UNC loss

.... - OR with a win over PSU AND a loss to NAU AND an EWU loss AND 2 UNC losses
.... - OR with a loss to PSU AND a win over NAU AND an EWU loss AND 2 UNC losses*
(3) - Clinches with 2 wins AND either an EWU win OR a UNC win (but not both)
.... - OR with a with a loss to PSU AND a win over NAU AND an EWU loss AND 2 UNC losses**
.... - OR with a win over PSU AND a loss to NAU AND an EWU loss AND a UNC win
.... - OR with a loss to PSU AND a win over NAU AND an EWU loss AND a UNC win*
.... - OR with a split AND an EWU win AND 2 UNC losses
(4) - Clinches with a win AND an EWU win AND 2 UNC wins
.... - OR with a loss to PSU AND a win over NAU AND an EWU loss AND a UNC win**
.... - OR with a split AND an EWU win AND a UNC win
.... - OR with 2 losses AND a UNC win AND an MSU loss
(5) - Clinches with a split AND an MSU win AND a UNC split
.... - OR with 2 losses AND 2 UNC losses

MSU:. (2) - Clinches with a win AND an EWU loss AND a UNC split AND 2 UMT losses

(3) - Clinches with 2 UNC losses AND 2 UMT losses
.... - OR with a win AND an EWU win AND a UNC split AND a UMT loss
(4) - Clinches with a win AND an EWU win AND either 2 UNC losses OR both a UNC loss AND 2 UMT wins
.... - OR with a win AND an EWU loss AND 2 UNC wins AND 2 UMT losses
.... - OR with a win AND an EWU loss AND 2 UNC losses AND a UMT win
.... - OR with 2 losses AND 2 UNC losses AND a UMT win
(5) - Clinches with 2 UNC wins AND a UMT win
.... - OR with an EWU loss AND a UNC split AND a UMT split
.... - OR with a loss AND a UNC win

SAC:. (6) - Clinches with a PSU loss

Out - Clinches with 2 PSU wins

PSU:. (6) - Clinches with 2 wins

Out - Clinches with a loss

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