This is why we need voter picture ID.

[CID1990]

This is why we need voter picture ID.


We = partisan Republicans.

What is meant here is not the need for voter picture ID, but simply more regulations to create hurdles for those who register voters. Steep fines for submitting voter registrations that are more than 48 hours old has slowed the pace of new voter registrations to the tune of over 80,000 so far in Florida compared to the same time period four years ago.

So yeah, partisan Republicans need to restrict new voters, and voting in general to give them a chance this November, you see more and more people are switching to independent, and most new registrations are either independent or Democrats, so it makes all the sense in the world.

Smoke and mirrors, Wedgie. I'm surprised at you, you're smarter than that. This is straight off MSNBC.

You have to have picture ID to initialize SS benefits, use a WIC card at the grocery store, collect AFDC and other welfare benefits. Heck, you have to have picture ID to cash a check as well as drive a car.

If the right was trying to disenfranchise the people you claim, then they are going about it in a pretty futile way. Minorities and the poor have to show ID for a LOT of things.

Why is the left arguing against this? After all, it will put a stop to the rampant right wing voter fraud alleged above in Montana (why would the right need to commit voter fraud in Montana??!?) and then the Black Panthers won't feel the need to camp out at polling sites.

[CID1990]

This is why we need voter picture ID.


We = partisan Republicans.

What is meant here is not the need for voter picture ID, but simply more regulations to create hurdles for those who register voters. Steep fines for submitting voter registrations that are more than 48 hours old has slowed the pace of new voter registrations to the tune of over 80,000 so far in Florida compared to the same time period four years ago.

So yeah, partisan Republicans need to restrict new voters, and voting in general to give them a chance this November, you see more and more people are switching to independent, and most new registrations are either independent or Democrats, so it makes all the sense in the world.

Smoke and mirrors, Wedgie. I'm surprised at you, you're smarter than that. This is straight off MSNBC.

You have to have picture ID to initialize SS benefits, use a WIC card at the grocery store, collect AFDC and other welfare benefits. Heck, you have to have picture ID to cash a check as well as drive a car.

If the right was trying to disenfranchise the people you claim, then they are going about it in a pretty futile way. Minorities and the poor have to show ID for a LOT of things.

Why is the left arguing against this? After all, it will put a stop to the rampant right wing voter fraud alleged above in Montana (why would the right need to commit voter fraud in Montana??!?) and then the Black Panthers won't feel the need to camp out at polling sites.

[AZGrizFan]

Agreed on all fronts. Cut 40% across the board. EVERY department. EVERY budget. EVERY entitlement program. EVERY incentive program. Eliminate the IRS. 15% flat tax.

I say we start at 20% first, Stimpy.

20% cuts? Or 20% flat tax?

[Cap'n Cat]

I say we start at 20% first, Stimpy.

20% cuts? Or 20% flat tax?

Cuts, Z. Don't lump all of us liberals into one free-spending group. The irresponsible Donk tax-and-spender is a fantasy created by Conks. Everything Progressives spend or try to spend money on is a legit pursuit, whether you agree or not. Remember the money spent on Conk pursuits, too.

[AZGrizFan]

20% cuts? Or 20% flat tax?

Cuts, Z. Don't lump all of us liberals into one free-spending group. The irresponsible Donk tax-and-spender is a fantasy created by Conks. Everything Progressives spend or try to spend money on is a legit pursuit, whether you agree or not. Remember the money spent on Conk pursuits, too.

[Cap'n Cat]

Cuts, Z. Don't lump all of us liberals into one free-spending group. The irresponsible Donk tax-and-spender is a fantasy created by Conks. Everything Progressives spend or try to spend money on is a legit pursuit, whether you agree or not. Remember the money spent on Conk pursuits, too.

Like it or not, Z, it's the truth.

[Bronco]

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If the liberal Ninth Circuit isn’t going to shoot down voter ID laws then the Obama administration has no chance of winning its lawsuits against South Carolina, Alabama and Texas.
But no proof of being a citizen...so honor system
That should be fine

Arizona’s Voter ID Law Upheld By Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals…

PHOENIX (AP) — An appeals court upheld a requirement in a 2004 Arizona law that voters show identification before they can cast ballots, saying that there wasn’t evidence that the mandate disproportionately affected Latinos as the challengers had alleged.

A 12-member panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals said in a ruling Tuesday that there was evidence Arizona has racially polarized voting and a history of discrimination against Latinos, but concluded no proof was offered to show that the ID requirement gave Latinos fewer opportunities to vote.

The court, however, found that the federal National Voter Registration Act trumps another section of the Arizona law that requires people to prove their citizenship in order to vote.

That federal law allows voters to fill out a mail-in voter registration card and swear they are citizens under penalty of perjury, but it doesn’t require them to show proof as Arizona’s law does.

[Gil Dobie]

From the (President Jimmy) Carter (James) Baker Commission, this is one of the basis for many states requiring photo id's to vote.

Link

LETTER FROM THE CO-CHAIRS
Elections are the heart of democracy. They are the instrument for the people to choose leaders and hold them accountable. At the same time, elections are a core public function upon which all other government responsibilities depend. If elections are defective, the entire democratic system is at risk.

Americans are losing confidence in the fairness of elections, and while we do not face a crisis today, we need to address the problems of our electoral system.

Our Commission on Federal Election Reform was formed to recommend ways to raise confidence in the electoral system. Many Americans thought that one report — the Carter-Ford Commission — and one law — the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) — would be enough to fix the system. It isn’t. In this report, we seek to build on the historic achievement of HAVA and put forward a bold set of proposals to modernize our electoral system.

Some Americans will prefer some of our proposals to others. Indeed, while all of the Commission members endorse the judgments and general policy thrust of the report in its entirety, they do not necessarily support every word and recommendation. Benefitting from Commission members with diverse perspectives, we have proposed, for example, a formula for transcending the sterile debate between integrity and access. Twenty-four states now require identification for voters, with some systems likely to restrict registration. We are recommending a photo ID system for voters designed to increase registration with a more affirmative and aggressive role for states in finding new voters and providing free IDs for those without driver’s licenses. The formula we recommend will result in both more integrity and more access. A few of our members have expressed an alternative view of this issue.

Still, our entire Commission is united in the view that electoral reform is essential and that our recommended package of proposals represents the best way to modernize our electoral system. We urge all Americans, including the legislative and executive branches of government at all levels, to recognize the urgency of election reform and to seriously consider the comprehensive approach outlined herein.

We present this report because we believe the time for acting to improve our election system is now.

Jimmy Carter James A. Baker, III
Co-Chairs of the Commission on Federal Election Reform

[D1B]

Exactly. Without petition fraud you can't HAVE voting fraud.

You are looking at two very different processes. When voting you are dealing with trained and certified Election Judges sanctioned by the state. Some form of ID is required to vote in every state, though this varies across the country.

When you are signing a petition you are dealing with some Joe Schmoe off the street who might not even be a resident in your state depending on state law.

If we want to get down and dirty. The thousands of people who sign petitions and are not legally registered voters, but have ID if it was required, or accidentally sign a petition twice should be brought before the courts. Not gonna happen.

"A person who purposefully signs a name other than the person's own to this petition, who signs more than once for the same issue at one election, or who signs when not a legally registered Montana voter is subject to a $500 fine, 6 months in jail, or both." MCA 13-27-204

Z =

[Bronco]

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Photo ID To Vote Is Racist...Photo ID For Michelle Obama Book Signing Is Mandatory…

“. . . Mrs. Obama will visit the downtown Barnes & Noble store located at 555 12 St. NW, at E St. On Friday, June 8th, those wishing to attend the event must purchase a copy of the First Lady’s book at the location (for $19.20) and leave it at the store, according to the employee. At the same time, customers must also submit their social security number and show an official photo ID (driver’s license, passport) to a Secret Service agent, and they will be issued a wristband to attend the First Lady’s event on June 12. . .”

[BlueHen86]

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Photo ID To Vote Is Racist...Photo ID For Michelle Obama Book Signing Is Mandatory…

“. . . Mrs. Obama will visit the downtown Barnes & Noble store located at 555 12 St. NW, at E St. On Friday, June 8th, those wishing to attend the event must purchase a copy of the First Lady’s book at the location (for $19.20) and leave it at the store, according to the employee. At the same time, customers must also submit their social security number and show an official photo ID (driver’s license, passport) to a Secret Service agent, and they will be issued a wristband to attend the First Lady’s event on June 12. . .”

Yeah, because access to a voting booth should be the same as access to the First Lady.

We should have picture ID's for voting, but that has nothing to do with the level of security for the First Lady. Lame partisan attack on your part.

[Bronco]

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Bottom line is that Dems only care about people with out ID on election day.

The Real Photo-ID Civil-Rights Issue
National Review ^ | March 9, 2012 | Deroy Murdock

In order to stymie new and proposed requirements that voters present photo identification at the polls, top Democrats cry rivers over those who would become disfranchised for lack of ID cards. If they really cared about these people — of whom there may be millions — Democrats would join Republicans to ensure that they receive ID cards for everyday use.
Instead, leading Democrats use vicious racial rhetoric to hammer those who simply want voters to prove they are who they claim to be.

But only on Election Day do these divisive Democrats seem concerned about those without ID cards. The other 364 days of the year, these men and women are undocumented citizens. Absent photo ID, these disconnected Americans do not participate fully in the American experience. Those without photo ID cannot open bank accounts. They may not board passenger jets. They are not supposed to ride Amtrak trains. They may not purchase cough syrup containing ephedrine and other methamphetamine precursors. In Illinois, they may not buy Drano. In fact, they may not enter the Justice Department to denounce photo-ID rules without first showing photo ID.

Race-baiting Democrats apparently couldn’t care less about these undocumented citizens. If they did care, they would lead a common-sense effort to provide photo-ID cards to every American adult who needs one. By displaying ID cards on Election Day, these politically enfranchised Americans would curb potential and actual ballot fraud and boost confidence in the voting system.

Beyond Election Day, these freshly documented citizens would be socially enfranchised. With photo-ID cards, they could cash checks, fly, visit government buildings, and do plenty more that documented citizens accomplish daily.

“It’s perplexing how so many groups complaining about voter ID laws have the funds to register voters, educate voters, and transport voters to the polls, but never budget anything to rectify ID problems,” declared Deneen Borelli, one of my fellow advisory-board members of Project 21, a network of market-oriented black thinkers.

Civil-rights organizations and other groups that rail against photo-ID rules “should dedicate their resources to help people get IDs rather than complain about laws that have passed,” says J. Christian Adams, a former Justice Department voting-rights attorney and author of the legal-policy page-turner Injustice. “That’s what they did in 1964. But it’s harder to raise funds off of accomplishments rather than complaints.” Adams introduced me to the challenge of credentialing America’s undocumented citizens.

This year should see the first American Photo-ID Day. Local and state government offices should open on, say, the first Saturday after Labor Day, allowing citizens to secure free ID cards and even register to vote. Where necessary, the same volunteers for civic groups, unions, the Tea Party, the GOP, and the Democrats who deliver voters to the polls in November should drive people without IDs to motor-vehicle bureaus and other participating institutions. Thus, undocumented citizens will become identifiable voters . . . and documented citizens.

If Democrats give a damn about these disengaged Americans, they will implement this idea. And if Republicans do not embrace something that reduces voter fraud while boosting the life prospects of those with the least, then they truly are the Stupid Party.

— New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a nationally syndicated columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.

[CAA Flagship]

And in Virginia:

Investigation launched after dead people are registered to vote in Harrisonburg

Harrisonburg officials and the FBI are investigating allegations of voter registration fraud after officials say almost 20 voter applications were turned in under the names of dead people.

Harrisonburg Registrar Debbie Logan said Thursday that investigators have found from 18 to 20 potentially fraudulent registrations. The Rockingham County Commonwealth’s Attorney’s Office confirmed Thursday that an investigation is underway, but offered no additional details on the case.

The applications were turned in by a voter registration group called HarrisonburgVOTES, officials said. The group’s representatives could not be reached for comment Thursday. No charges have been filed.

The Breeze, the student newspaper of James Madison University, reported that the applications were submitted by a student working for the group. The problem came to light when an employee in the registrar’s office noticed a new registration had come in from Richard Claybrook Sr., the late father of a well-known local judge.

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/a ... 012f9.html

[Grizalltheway]

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Photo ID To Vote Is Racist...Photo ID For Michelle Obama Book Signing Is Mandatory…

Yeah, because access to a voting booth should be the same as access to the First Lady.

We should have picture ID's for voting, but that has nothing to do with the level of security for the First Lady. Lame partisan attack on your part.

Long time no see 86!

[Chizzang]

Holy Necro-Post