Umps screw Padres royally

[SuperHornet]

The Dodgers turned the first 2-5-6-3 triple play involving an out on all the numbered bases since the 1800s without an attempt to run out of it due to an officiating goof. With men on first and second and none out in the 9th, the Padres batter squared around to bunt, but pulled back from the inside pitch. The pitch struck the bat and dropped to the ground. The home plate ump appeared to signal a foul ball, but never vocalized it. The runners stayed put on the bags while the Dodger catcher started the easiest triple play in history. The Pads argued to no avail. Replays later showed that the batted ball hit the ground BEHIND home plate, making it indeed foul. The Dodgers went on to win 5-4 in the bottom of the 9th.

Stupid umps.



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[Rob Iola]

The Dodgers turned the first 2-5-6-3 triple play involving an out on all the numbered bases since the 1800s without an attempt to run out of it due to an officiating goof. With men on first and second and none out in the 9th, the Padres batter squared around to bunt, but pulled back from the inside pitch. The pitch struck the bat and dropped to the ground. The home plate ump appeared to signal a foul ball, but never vocalized it. The runners stayed put on the bags while the Dodger catcher started the easiest triple play in history. The Pads argued to no avail. Replays later showed that the batted ball hit the ground BEHIND home plate, making it indeed foul. The Dodgers went on to win 5-4 in the bottom of the 9th.

Stupid umps.



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1. Ump signalled foul ball but never verbalized it (and explained that he was just raising his arms to protect himself - but shouldn't have had to since he's calling the plate and has protection and a mask) - mechanics require verbalization for a foul call;
2. Ump immediately pointed fair when the ball rolled fair;
3. Ball wasn't played nor touched in foul territory - it can and did roll fair where it was played making it a fair ball;
4. Based on the play I would guess that the runner at 3rd and probably at 2nd would've both been thrown out even if they did break on the ball. The batter never left the box, and so may well have been thrown out at first as well even if he did take off.

[SDHornet]

Ump signalled foul twice. He blew it. Once the ball was called dead due to his (multiple) foul ball signals, there is no way he can signal fair ball after that.

[SuperHornet]

Ump signalled foul twice. He blew it. Once the ball was called dead due to his (multiple) foul ball signals, there is no way he can signal fair ball after that.

Additionally, having seen the replay, it CLEARLY landed between the plate and the catcher. It was FOUL.

[clenz]

As am ump (granted not mlb level) ill chime in

1. Unless vocalized as foul its not foul.

2. A ball can hit behind the foul line first and still be fair....it is where the ball is when it crosses 1st or 3rd or where its first touched. It can start foul and rollfair, start fair roll foul, go foul fair foul fair foul as long as it isn't touched....which is why point number 1 is important.



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[SDHornet]

Ump signalled foul twice. He blew it. Once the ball was called dead due to his (multiple) foul ball signals, there is no way he can signal fair ball after that.

Additionally, having seen the replay, it CLEARLY landed between the plate and the catcher. It was FOUL.

Well that's hard to tell from the angles shown, but back to the hand motions. Even if the first hand motion was a "self defense" gesture ( ) his second gesture had his hands/arms raised even higher and wider than the first gesture after the ball was already on the ground indicating a foul ball call.

[clenz]

Ump signalled foul twice. He blew it. Once the ball was called dead due to his (multiple) foul ball signals, there is no way he can signal fair ball after that.

Additionally, having seen the replay, it CLEARLY landed between the plate and the catcher. It was FOUL.

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[SuperHornet]

You're crazy, clenz! That's freaking awesome!!!

[grizzaholic]

Additionally, having seen the replay, it CLEARLY landed between the plate and the catcher. It was FOUL.

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I think we just found out who is the Moderator Pussy.

[clenz]

It, actually is not I.


I do have about 80 lolcats saved on my phone to pull out when I feel like it.....I've been using them for years


Seriously though, sh, explain how the ball hitting behind home plate makes it foul

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[grizzaholic]

It, actually is not I.


I do have about 80 lolcays saved on my phone to pull out when I feel like it.....I've been using them for years


Seriously though, sh, explain how the balk hitting behind home plate makes it foul

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If it is a BALK, shouldn't the runners advance automatically?

[SDHornet]

It, actually is not I.


I do have about 80 lolcays saved on my phone to pull out when I feel like it.....I've been using them for years


Seriously though, sh, explain how the balk hitting behind home plate makes it foul

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If it is a BALK, shouldn't the runners advance automatically?

I think he meant "ball". Clearly the SCH-1500 with Tapatalk has a poor spellcheck function.

[clenz]

Balk is a word....or at least one I've saved in my dictionary due to the fact I work with a guy who's last name is Balk....that's just me fat fingering it

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[grizzaholic]

If it is a BALK, shouldn't the runners advance automatically?

I think he meant "ball". Clearly the SCH-1500 with Tapatalk has a poor spellcheck function.

My tapatalk-keyboard function works great. I should upload it.

[bluehenbillk]

I saw the play & if you go plainly by the letter of the rule - the play was called correctly. Nobody ever yelled foul ball & the ball was picked up in fair territory.

HOWEVER, in keeping with the title of this thread, yes, the umpire erred by unintentionally misleading the baserunners that the ball was foul/fair with his arm gestures - both runners immediately gestured and reacted to what the home plate ump did.

I believe the correct call was made AND I believe the home plate ump screwed up as well.

If I was the manager of the Padres I would've been kicked out for sure.

[andy7171]

Mork gets owned in his own thread once again!

[Ivytalk]

Reminds me of an old baseball joke. Maury Wills tries to steal second base and slides in. The ump yells "safe" but his arm goes up in the "out" sign. Ump tells Wills to head for the dugout and Wills goes crazy, because of the verbalized "safe" call. The ump says, "Yeah, but 45,000 people think you're out, so you're out."

[SDHornet]

“After review and discussion with the umpire, we have determined that the call itself of a fair ball was correct,” said Peter Woodfork, MLB’s Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations in an e-mail to UT San Diego columnist Tim Sullivan.

“However, while making the call, there was an incorrect mechanic, which appeared to confuse San Diego’s base runners. At no time did the umpire verbally kill the play on the field.

“After reviewing the entire situation following the game, the umpire realizes his hands were in an exaggerated upward appearance similar to a call that would indicate a dead ball.

“While we all agree that it was a fair ball that did not hit the batter, the umpire recognizes that the proper mechanic was not executed as he tried to avoid the catcher.”

“Throwing his hands up like that, shouldn’t that automatically kill the play like an inadvertent whistle in football?” said Padre Chase Headley, who was on first when Javy Guerra’s high inside fastball caught Jesus Guzman’s bat – the ball eventually rolling from foul to fair territory which triggered the play.

“If he makes no signal, we’re running.”

Scott first raised his hands as he was backing away from the plate to get out of the way of Dodger catcher A.J. Ellis. It was then, however, that he moved his arms higher and threw his palms open – baseball’s silent signal for time out.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr ... play-call/

[bluehenbillk]

“After review and discussion with the umpire, we have determined that the call itself of a fair ball was correct,” said Peter Woodfork, MLB’s Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations in an e-mail to UT San Diego columnist Tim Sullivan.

“However, while making the call, there was an incorrect mechanic, which appeared to confuse San Diego’s base runners. At no time did the umpire verbally kill the play on the field.

“After reviewing the entire situation following the game, the umpire realizes his hands were in an exaggerated upward appearance similar to a call that would indicate a dead ball.

“While we all agree that it was a fair ball that did not hit the batter, the umpire recognizes that the proper mechanic was not executed as he tried to avoid the catcher.”

“Throwing his hands up like that, shouldn’t that automatically kill the play like an inadvertent whistle in football?” said Padre Chase Headley, who was on first when Javy Guerra’s high inside fastball caught Jesus Guzman’s bat – the ball eventually rolling from foul to fair territory which triggered the play.

“If he makes no signal, we’re running.”

Scott first raised his hands as he was backing away from the plate to get out of the way of Dodger catcher A.J. Ellis. It was then, however, that he moved his arms higher and threw his palms open – baseball’s silent signal for time out.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr ... play-call/

Yep, pretty much verbatim to what I said a few posts back...

[SDHornet]

Not sure what happens when the ump verbalized fair but his inital hand signal is dead ball. If the runners thought the ball was still in play they would have been running.

[bluehenbillk]

Not sure what happens when the ump verbalized fair but his inital hand signal is dead ball. If the runners thought the ball was still in play they would have been running.

That should never happen as a fair ball is only verbalized on a home run call. If there is any doubt on a live ball being fair or foul, a fair ball is demonstrated by a proper arm signal, a foul ball is supposed to be verbalized for all to hear.

[clenz]

Not sure what happens when the ump verbalized fair but his inital hand signal is dead ball. If the runners thought the ball was still in play they would have been running.

That should never happen as a fair ball is only verbalized on a home run call. If there is any doubt on a live ball being fair or foul, a fair ball is demonstrated by a proper arm signal, a foul ball is supposed to be verbalized for all to hear.

Bolded part is key....unless verbalized it's not foul.


Umps don't just say "foul ball" on plays like that if foul.....

The jump up waving their arms yelling repeatedly at the top of their lungs FOUL! FOUL! FOUL!

[89Hen]

Speaking of blown calls, girls softball game last Friday, girl swings at bad pitch (big full swing), ump calls ball four. Coach immediately says something to ump and ump says, yup I blew it but I'm not changing the call. Coach says something to team's fans in stands, ump tosses coach.

Umpiring is a thankless job and I'm grateful every time we get a good ump, but fuck the assholes that think they're umping MLB games and love to do stupid stuff like that.