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AZGrizFan wrote:
DJH wrote:Kevin Love >> Blake Griffin. Not even close. Better shooter, better rebounder, better scorer, better FT shooter, better defender.

Blake is a better dunker, that's it.
Perhaps Love's numbers are better because he has absolutely NO help?

Nah...that can't be it.

And I'll give you the "range" argument, but Griffin's FG% is .54, while Love's is .45....

I wouldn't mind either one of them on the Suns.... :tothehand:
The fuck are you talking about? The fact that he has little help is an argument in his FAVOR. Hes a 4-man, not some 2 guard with inflated scoring stats on a bad team. The better teammates you have (guards), as a big man makes every single thing you do easier.

Griffin's FG% is slightly higher because he can't shoot the basketball one single bit. About 85% of his points come from dunks.
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DJH wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Perhaps Love's numbers are better because he has absolutely NO help?

Nah...that can't be it.

And I'll give you the "range" argument, but Griffin's FG% is .54, while Love's is .45....

I wouldn't mind either one of them on the Suns.... :tothehand:
The fuck are you talking about? The fact that he has little help is an argument in his FAVOR. Hes a 4-man, not some 2 guard with inflated scoring stats on a bad team. The better teammates you have (guards), as a big man makes every single thing you do easier.

Griffin's FG% is slightly higher because he can't shoot the basketball one single bit. About 85% of his points come from dunks.
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BlueHen86 wrote:
DJH wrote:
The fuck are you talking about? The fact that he has little help is an argument in his FAVOR. Hes a 4-man, not some 2 guard with inflated scoring stats on a bad team. The better teammates you have (guards), as a big man makes every single thing you do easier.

Griffin's FG% is slightly higher because he can't shoot the basketball one single bit. About 85% of his points come from dunks.
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DJH wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Perhaps Love's numbers are better because he has absolutely NO help?

Nah...that can't be it.

And I'll give you the "range" argument, but Griffin's FG% is .54, while Love's is .45....

I wouldn't mind either one of them on the Suns.... :tothehand:
The fuck are you talking about? The fact that he has little help is an argument in his FAVOR. Hes a 4-man, not some 2 guard with inflated scoring stats on a bad team. The better teammates you have (guards), as a big man makes every single thing you do easier.

Griffin's FG% is slightly higher because he can't shoot the basketball one single bit. About 85% of his points come from dunks.
More BS data, but that's what we've come to expect from you, you homer.

Kevin Love averages 6.7 attempts/game "at the rim" and makes an average of 4.0 of those, shooting 59.8% "at the rim".
Blake Griffin averages 7.2 attempts/game "at the rim" and makes an average of 5.3 of those, shooting 73.7% "at the rim"

Kevin Love averages 2.6 attempts/game in the "3-9 foot" range and makes an average of 1.1 of those, shooting 41.3% from that range
Blake Griffin averages 3.4 attempts/game in the "3-9 foot" range and makes an average 1.5 of those, shooting 44.8% from that range

Kevin Love averages 1.3 attempts/game in the "10-15 foot" range and makes an average of .4 of those, shooting 29.2% from that range
Blake Griffin averages .7 attempts/game in the "10-15 foot" range, making .2 of those for a 27.7% average from that range

Kevin Love averages 3.6 attempts/game in the "16-23 foot" range, making 1.3 of those for a 36% average from that range
Blake Griffin averages 3.9 attempts/game in the "16-23 foot" range, making 1.5 of those for a 37% average from that range

Kevin Love averages 5.1 three point attempts per game, making 1.9 of those for a 37.2% average from beyond the arc
Blake Griffin took just 16 3-point attempts all year and made 2 for a 12.5% average from beyond the arc. But, as you can plainly see, Griffin has MORE attempts in the 3-9' range and the 15-23' range PER GAME than Love does...thus to state that Griffin gets 85% of his points on dunks is just pure haterade.

So, statistically BG is MUCH better in the paint and about equivalent all the way out TO the arc, where KL excels. But where KL REALLY gains his points advantage is on the free throw line...not sure why BG sucked so bad this year on the line (only shot a little over 52%)...there's your FACTS, Jack.
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AZ's argument is MWP....DJH's is Hardin


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clenz wrote:AZ's argument is MWP....DJH's is Hardin


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Do not EVER compare me (or any of my arguments) to that worthless POS asshole EVER again or you will be on my ignore list so fast it'll make your head spin. Are we clear? :tothehand: :tothehand:
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clenz wrote:AZ's argument is MWP....DJH's is Hardin


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Do not EVER compare me (or any of my arguments) to that worthless POS asshole EVER again or you will be on my ignore list so fast it'll make your head spin. Are we clear? :tothehand: :tothehand:
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clenz wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Do not EVER compare me (or any of my arguments) to that worthless POS asshole EVER again or you will be on my ignore list so fast it'll make your head spin. Are we clear? :tothehand: :tothehand:
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FWIW, I was saying you knock him the fuck out...it was a compliment really.




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That's better. You're forgiven. :nod: :thumb:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
DJH wrote:Kevin Love >> Blake Griffin. Not even close. Better shooter, better rebounder, better scorer, better FT shooter, better defender.

Blake is a better dunker, that's it.
Perhaps Love's numbers are better because he has absolutely NO help?

Nah...that can't be it.

And I'll give you the "range" argument, but Griffin's FG% is .54, while Love's is .45....

I wouldn't mind either one of them on the Suns.... :tothehand:
Love is 47 percent from 2 pt range. Both players take about the same amount of Free Throws, Love made 135 more Free Throws.

And if you say Love had no help, then Love single handedly defeated the Clippers the 3 games that he played against them. :lol:
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Gil Dobie wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Perhaps Love's numbers are better because he has absolutely NO help?

Nah...that can't be it.

And I'll give you the "range" argument, but Griffin's FG% is .54, while Love's is .45....

I wouldn't mind either one of them on the Suns.... :tothehand:
Love is 47 percent from 2 pt range. Both players take about the same amount of Free Throws, Love made 135 more Free Throws.

And if you say Love had no help, then Love single handedly defeated the Clippers the 3 games that he played against them. :lol:
And Griffin is 54% from 2 ponit range. Your point? :coffee:
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While I agree with you here Z...you're still completely wrong with Mauer.
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clenz wrote:While I agree with you here Z...you're still completely wrong with Mauer.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Interesting. I'm a LOT more right about Mauer than I am about this....this one is just to provoke DJ... :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Love is 47 percent from 2 pt range. Both players take about the same amount of Free Throws, Love made 135 more Free Throws.

And if you say Love had no help, then Love single handedly defeated the Clippers the 3 games that he played against them. :lol:
And Griffin is 54% from 2 ponit range. Your point? :coffee:
That was just a matter of fact number, no point. My point was Love's "No Help" team won all 3 games against the Clippers that he played in. I would still take this years Love over this years Griffin as the Olympic team did, but in a year or 2 that may change, or it may not.

Just curious where you got your stats from on the shots from different ranges.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
And Griffin is 54% from 2 ponit range. Your point? :coffee:
That was just a matter of fact number, no point. My point was Love's "No Help" team won all 3 games against the Clippers that he played in. I would still take this years Love over this years Griffin as the Olympic team did, but in a year or 2 that may change, or it may not.

Just curious where you got your stats from on the shots from different ranges.
I believe the site was hoopsdata.com. Not sure though...I googled it at work and that site came up...but I can't remember exactly what I googled and can't get the same site here...I'll keep looking.

Nah, that's not it...but I found a site called hoopsstats.com that gives most of those stats....just doesn't break down the "at the rim", "3-9'" and "10-15'" range breakdowns...
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AZGrizFan wrote:
DJH wrote:
The fuck are you talking about? The fact that he has little help is an argument in his FAVOR. Hes a 4-man, not some 2 guard with inflated scoring stats on a bad team. The better teammates you have (guards), as a big man makes every single thing you do easier.

Griffin's FG% is slightly higher because he can't shoot the basketball one single bit. About 85% of his points come from dunks.
More BS data, but that's what we've come to expect from you, you homer.

Kevin Love averages 6.7 attempts/game "at the rim" and makes an average of 4.0 of those, shooting 59.8% "at the rim".
Blake Griffin averages 7.2 attempts/game "at the rim" and makes an average of 5.3 of those, shooting 73.7% "at the rim"

Kevin Love averages 2.6 attempts/game in the "3-9 foot" range and makes an average of 1.1 of those, shooting 41.3% from that range
Blake Griffin averages 3.4 attempts/game in the "3-9 foot" range and makes an average 1.5 of those, shooting 44.8% from that range

Kevin Love averages 1.3 attempts/game in the "10-15 foot" range and makes an average of .4 of those, shooting 29.2% from that range
Blake Griffin averages .7 attempts/game in the "10-15 foot" range, making .2 of those for a 27.7% average from that range

Kevin Love averages 3.6 attempts/game in the "16-23 foot" range, making 1.3 of those for a 36% average from that range
Blake Griffin averages 3.9 attempts/game in the "16-23 foot" range, making 1.5 of those for a 37% average from that range

Kevin Love averages 5.1 three point attempts per game, making 1.9 of those for a 37.2% average from beyond the arc
Blake Griffin took just 16 3-point attempts all year and made 2 for a 12.5% average from beyond the arc. But, as you can plainly see, Griffin has MORE attempts in the 3-9' range and the 15-23' range PER GAME than Love does...thus to state that Griffin gets 85% of his points on dunks is just pure haterade.

So, statistically BG is MUCH better in the paint and about equivalent all the way out TO the arc, where KL excels. But where KL REALLY gains his points advantage is on the free throw line...not sure why BG sucked so bad this year on the line (only shot a little over 52%)...there's your FACTS, Jack.
Thank you for proving to everyone else what I already said. Both players are good around the rim, and Blake has literally no jump shot whatsoever, and is severely outclassed by Kevin Love on the perimeter and at the line.

Not to mention the fact that Love is the better defender and rebounder.
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DJH wrote: Thank you for proving to everyone else what I already said. Both players are good around the rim, and Blake has literally no jump shot whatsoever, and is severely outclassed by Kevin Love on the perimeter and at the line.

Not to mention the fact that Love is the better defender and rebounder.
What I DID, was disprove your assertion that Griffin gets "85% of his points on dunks". Patently not true, and verified by actual FACTS instead of homerism and flatlander glasses. :coffee: :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
DJH wrote: Thank you for proving to everyone else what I already said. Both players are good around the rim, and Blake has literally no jump shot whatsoever, and is severely outclassed by Kevin Love on the perimeter and at the line.

Not to mention the fact that Love is the better defender and rebounder.
What I DID, was disprove your assertion that Griffin gets "85% of his points on dunks". Patently not true, and verified by actual FACTS instead of homerism and flatlander glasses. :coffee: :coffee:
He can dunk from 15 feet away, just sayin :lol:
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Gil Dobie wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
What I DID, was disprove your assertion that Griffin gets "85% of his points on dunks". Patently not true, and verified by actual FACTS instead of homerism and flatlander glasses. :coffee: :coffee:
He can dunk from 15 feet away, just sayin :lol:
Well, there is THAT. :shock: :shock:
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EPJr wrote:USA Basketball
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Kobe Bryant -- age 33 -- Los Angeles Lakers: Back to defend his Gold Medal, Bryant stands as the leading veteran voice of the group. He's joked in recent weeks that he will let the younger guys do the heavy lifting while he focuses on closing games, but deferring has never been in his vocabulary. Krzyzewski said on Friday that Bryant enters Olympics play in excellent health and shape.

James Harden -- age 22 -- Oklahoma City Thunder: The NBA's Sixth Man of the Year is getting his first real look for Team USA and he impressed Krzyzewski with his feel for the game and his basketball intelligence. With players like Dwyane Wade and, eventually, Bryant on their way out, he figures to be a national team mainstay going forward.

Chris Paul -- age 27 -- Los Angeles Clippers: A minor thumb injury forced Paul from practice on Friday, although it's not expected to be anything serious. He was slowed by a naggging groin injury during the playoffs so it's been awhile since we've seen Paul play to the best of his abilities. He'll fill a play-making role for Team USA given the bevy of A-list scoring options that will surround him.

Russell Westbrook -- age 23 -- Oklahoma City Thunder: The explosive, relentless Westbrook will bring his constantly attacking style off of Team USA's bench. Bryant said Friday he envisions Westbrook plugging the reserve scorer's role left by Dwyane Wade's absence due to a knee injury. Despite an often spectacular playoffs stretch and top-shelf play during the 2010 World Championships in Turkey, there's a decent chance the rest of the world isn't ready for him.

Deron Williams -- age 28 -- Brooklyn Nets: Like Paul, Williams will play the facilitator's role. Team USA is emphasizing up-tempo play and pick-and-rolls, two areas where Williams can excel. He's sidelined from live play until his new 5-year, $98 million contract with the Nets goes final on July 11.


Forwards

Carmelo Anthony -- age 28 -- New York Knicks: Of the returning members of the 2008 squad, Anthony's role is the least clear. He's facing a logjam at his position thanks to James and Durant and he is coming off an up-and-down season with the Knicks, in which he drew criticism for his ball-stopping and which saw Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni, a Team USA assistant, resign. Still, Anthony's finishing ability was of paramount importance in Beijing and he should be able to find plenty of minutes when Team USA switches to smaller looks.

Kevin Durant -- age 23 -- Oklahoma City Thunder: Arguably the world's second-best player, Durant comes to Team USA smarting from a loss to James' Heat in the 2012 Finals just weeks ago. Ever the professional, he spent the first day of practice explaining how Team USA functioned so well because egos are tossed aside and he sounded eager to win his first Gold Medal. Expect the NBA's leading scorer to be a focal point of the offense.

Blake Griffin -- age 23 -- Los Angeles Clippers: Griffin missed out on the 2010 World Championships because of a knee injury and is poised to take his high-flying, gravity-defying game to the international stage. Not known as a premier defender and with limited range, he'll likely be used as a deep reserve, although Team USA can use his rebounding ability

Andre Iguodala -- age 28 -- Philadelphia 76ers: One of the NBA's premier perimeter defenders, Iguodala fills a valuable niche as a lockdown guy who can complement some of the roster's score-first wings.

LeBron James -- age 27 -- Miami Heat: The biggest star in the basketball galxy and the best player on the planet, James heads to London at the peak of his powers and fresh off his first title. He seems at ease with his Team USA teammates and is clearly the central personality off the court. He'll be asked to do it all for Team USA and could potentially play all five positions during the Olympics. He said on Friday that he is ready to embrace the challenge.

Kevin Love -- age 23 -- Minnesota Timberwolves: Love's game has improved and expanded by leaps and bounds in recent years and his outside shooting prowess could be a deadly weapon and match-up nightmare for teams in the Olympics. Expect him to swing up to center at times to make full use of his elite rebounding and outlet-passing. Indeed, there's a 100 percent chance that one of his patented touchdown passes finds itself in a highlight loop next month.

Center

Tyson Chandler -- age 29 -- New York Knicks: This defense and rebounding specialist simply makes every team that he plays for better. He'll be key in matching up with Spain's length and his shot-blocking ability will dissuade opponents from attacking USA's interior. The knock on Chandler has been foul troubles and he'll need to play smart without any real positional depth behind him.

Alternates

Anthony Davis -- age 19 -- New Orleans Hornets: The 2012 NBA Draft's No. 1 pick sprained his ankle just before Team USA minicamp opened, putting his availability into question for the next few weeks. On Friday, Team USA chairman Jerry Colangelo questioned whether he had the "physicality" to compete at the moment. As the most promising young big man since Dwight Howard, Davis figures to be a Team USA regular for the next decade.

Rudy Gay -- age 25 -- Memphis Grizzlies: He would have been a big, long, athletic wing on a team full of them, Gay would mostly be injury insurance. His range and height make him a tough cover for the international competition but he probably would have done most of his work waiving towels.

Eric Gordon -- age 23 -- New Orleans Hornets (restricted free agent): Despite being in the middle of ongoing contract negotiations, Gordon impressed Krzyzewski by showing up on Friday and agreeing to compete in all 5-on-5 drills. A knockdown shooter with the abilty to create his own shot, Gordon hasn't seen much court time recently due to a knee injury that sidelined him for much of last season.


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He might be right. The Dream Team was old, and several of them were way past their primes.
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DJH wrote:He might be right. The Dream Team was old, and several of them were way past their primes.
Agreed....They were more "wiley veterans" while these guys are just pure athleticism... :shock:
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Griffin twisted his knee in practice, waiting results of the MRI. Davis has been called to duty.
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DJH wrote:He might be right. The Dream Team was old, and several of them were way past their primes.
Barkley and Jordan were 29, Magic was 32 and Robinson was 26. Hardly old. :coffee:
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ASUG8 wrote:
DJH wrote:He might be right. The Dream Team was old, and several of them were way past their primes.
Barkley and Jordan were 29. :coffee:
How old were Bird and Magic? :coffee:
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