CitadelGrad's PSU Bitch thread

[bluehenbillk]

Smartass - what would you do? One is in jail, soon to be for life, one is dead - the others have been removed from power. As far as the NCAA is now concerned - case closed.

So who is the NCAA punishing that is guilty of anything?

So what you're saying is that PSU should not be punished? Just state your point.

[rkwittem]

The Penn State program was and remains clean. Not once in its history has it been found guilty of NCAA violations. You can talk about loss of institutional control all you wish, but as the NCAA defines institutional control, there was no loss of institutional control at Penn State.

When speaking of recent history at Penn State, I much prefer the euphemism "shower-fresh."

[BDKJMU]

So who is the NCAA punishing that is guilty of anything?

So what you're saying is that PSU should not be punished? Just state your point.

I don't have a problem with the 60 million or the vacating of wins on paper going back to 98' or all the additional probation & compliance stuff. Thought the other punishments, no bowls 12'-15', reduction in schollies 13'-16' are excessive because they will fall 100% on people who aren't guilty of anything.

I believe in punishing the actually guilty to the level that they deserve (why I think Sandusky shouldn't be breathing right now) and helping out the victims as much as possible ($ can never make the victims and their families even close to whole, but it can help- hence the $60 million).

I do not believe that a massive # of people that are innocent should be punished for the actions of a select few.

[UNI88]

So what you're saying is that PSU should not be punished? Just state your point.

I don't have a problem with the 60 million or the vacating of wins on paper going back to 98' or all the additional probation & compliance stuff. Thought the other punishments, no bowls 12'-15', reduction in schollies 13'-16' are excessive because they will fall 100% on people who aren't guilty of anything.

I believe in punishing the actually guilty to the level that they deserve (why I think Sandusky shouldn't be breathing right now) and helping out the victims as much as possible ($ can never make the victims and their families even close to whole, but it can help- hence the $60 million).

I do not believe that a massive # of people that are innocent should be punished for the actions of a select few.

I would have preferred to see greater fines and less focus on football (it happened because Penn St was too focused on football so you're going to punish the school by focusing on ... football). A 2 year bowl ban and 10 lost scholarships/year would have had a very negative impact on football but left them better able to pay a larger fine to a worthy charity which could have a better long-term impact on child sex abuse than the current punishment.

[free7694]

The culture of Penn State football allowed this to happen. Anyone involved with creating or maintaining that culture, be they coaches, administrators, boosters, alumni, etc., is therefore in some way responsible. That is why the NCAA did what it did today.

[ASUMountaineer]

And again, your anger is misplaced.

Don't be mad at me, the NCAA or the media.

Be mad at Sandusky, Paterno, Spanier, etc.

Exactly. Be mad at those people.

So, please tell me why, people that had nothing to do with this whatsoever (current coaches, players, and new administrators) are the one's being punished?

YOUR anger is misplaced.

Did you ask the same thing when USC, UNC, Ohio State, etc. were punished by the NCAA? What did the NCAA do to Reggie Bush or Pete Carroll?

[ASUMountaineer]

So what you're saying is that PSU should not be punished? Just state your point.

I don't have a problem with the 60 million or the vacating of wins on paper going back to 98' or all the additional probation & compliance stuff. Thought the other punishments, no bowls 12'-15', reduction in schollies 13'-16' are excessive because they will fall 100% on people who aren't guilty of anything.

I believe in punishing the actually guilty to the level that they deserve (why I think Sandusky shouldn't be breathing right now) and helping out the victims as much as possible ($ can never make the victims and their families even close to whole, but it can help- hence the $60 million).

I do not believe that a massive # of people that are innocent should be punished for the actions of a select few.

That's real nice, but how do you propose the NCAA accomplish punishing those "actually guilty?" Like it or not, the culprits your speak of represented Penn State, and as a result Penn State is being punished. I don't care that you disagree with the penalties (and I think they are too much), but I just don't see how you can reasonably expect the NCAA to punish those that are "actually guilty."

[FargoBison]

The culture of Penn State football allowed this to happen. Anyone involved with creating or maintaining that culture, be they coaches, administrators, boosters, alumni, etc., is therefore in some way responsible. That is why the NCAA did what it did today.

Agreed, I still don't think some at Penn State get that and I doubt some ever will.

[BDKJMU]

The culture of Penn State football allowed this to happen. Anyone involved with creating or maintaining that culture, be they coaches, administrators, boosters, alumni, etc., is therefore in some way responsible. That is why the NCAA did what it did today.

Agreed, I still don't think some at Penn State get that and I doubt some ever will.

And how is the culture at Penn State any different than at Bama, Auburn, LSU, FL, Tenn, Ohio St, Mich, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, USC, etc, etcv, etc? Do you think the football culture at those other schools is any less rabid?

[FargoBison]

Agreed, I still don't think some at Penn State get that and I doubt some ever will.

And how is the culture at Penn State any different than at Bama, Auburn, LSU, FL, Tenn, Ohio St, Mich, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, USC, etc, etcv, etc? Do you think the football culture at those other schools is any less rabid?

In many ways it is similar and this is the NCAA setting an example as to what happens when that kind of culture gets completely out of control, people get power they should never be able to have and do things with it that are beyond belief.

[UNI88]

The culture of Penn State football allowed this to happen. Anyone involved with creating or maintaining that culture, be they coaches, administrators, boosters, alumni, etc., is therefore in some way responsible. That is why the NCAA did what it did today.

That culture exists to a greater or lesser degree at every school in the SEC, B1G0, PAC12, Big12, ACC, BigEast, Notre Dame, etc. It exists in the FCS, DII and DIII. What happened at Penn State was reprehensible and the perpetrators and university should be punished but be careful about acting like it's an isolated incident. Something similar could very easily happen at a school that you love. The NCAA has sent a message to school authorities that they better be careful about knowingly ignoring criminal activity.

[93henfan]

On a positive note, Tubby Raymond passed Joe Paterno on the career victory list, 300 to 298.

BOOYAH!

[grizzaholic]

On a positive note, Tubby Raymond passed Joe Paterno on the career victory list, 300 to 298.

BOOYAH!

Who?

[93henfan]

On a positive note, Tubby Raymond passed Joe Paterno on the career victory list, 300 to 298.

BOOYAH!

Who?

I know this will be tough for you, but either turn your head upside down, or your computer, whichever is easiest for you.

[grizzaholic]

Who?

I know this will be tough for you, but either turn your head upside down, or your computer, whichever is easiest for you.

So a guy, I assume, has his name on a football field. Still don't know who he is...

[clenz]

Agreed, I still don't think some at Penn State get that and I doubt some ever will.

And how is the culture at Penn State any different than at Bama, Auburn, LSU, FL, Tenn, Ohio St, Mich, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, USC, etc, etcv, etc? Do you think the football culture at those other schools is any less rabid?

It's not....but I bet every single one of those schools will rethink their culture and make some changes now.

[BDKJMU]

And how is the culture at Penn State any different than at Bama, Auburn, LSU, FL, Tenn, Ohio St, Mich, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, USC, etc, etcv, etc? Do you think the football culture at those other schools is any less rabid?

It's not....but I bet every single one of those schools will rethink their culture and make some changes now.

Doubt it.

[Trapped in CA]

Should have skipped the bowl ban and simply renamed the team from the Nittany Lions to the Showerin' Sanduskies

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[GannonFan]

Good article from Mandel from SI - interesting viewpoints:

Justice has been served, assuming your idea of justice for rape victims is to deprive a school of its next four Outback Bowl invitations.

Makes the point that now that we have focused on the punishment of the football side of things that the story becomes almost solely a football story and the crimes themselves, and even those who committed those crimes, go to the back pages. Heck, the story for the next few years will be how and if Penn State football can recover. Ironic that when we seek to punish the culture that puts too much emphasis on football that we reinforce that emphasis.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... t=hp_t2_a3

[Skjellyfetti]

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[Pwns]

The culture of Penn State football allowed this to happen. Anyone involved with creating or maintaining that culture, be they coaches, administrators, boosters, alumni, etc., is therefore in some way responsible. That is why the NCAA did what it did today.

You know, I keep hearing the word "culture" used ad nauseum as if just saying that word implicates the entire institution and not just the president, AD, and Joe Pa. EVERY major BCS institution has a culture where there is a lot of pressure to win, and you could argue that Joe Pa was under a lot less than a lot of coaches at elite programs. What happened with Sandusky is not the fault of the pressure Joe Pa was under to win. Blaming that culture for what happened seems to me to be a lot like wanting to sue a fashion magazine whenever an anorexic woman dies of a stroke. Aside from that, this fine that PSU has to pay could end up hurting other academic or athletic programs that had nothing to do with the "culture" in the football program. Joe Pa, the president, and AD were all fired before any formal investigating was done to see if there was any kind of negligence. Doesn't seem like lack of institutional control when you oust the entire chain of command in one swoop.

If the NCAA really gave a crap about the victims, they would let Penn State play in post-season to earn money to give to charities. But the NCAA, being the fascist, hypocritical organization it is, just wanted heads to roll and didn't really care one bit about who these sanctions might hurt.

F the NCAA

[bluehenbillk]

The culture of Penn State football allowed this to happen. Anyone involved with creating or maintaining that culture, be they coaches, administrators, boosters, alumni, etc., is therefore in some way responsible. That is why the NCAA did what it did today.

You know, I keep hearing the word "culture" used ad nauseum as if just saying that word implicates the entire institution and not just the president, AD, and Joe Pa. EVERY major BCS institution has a culture where there is a lot of pressure to win, and you could argue that Joe Pa was under a lot less than a lot of coaches at elite programs. What happened with Sandusky is not the fault of the pressure Joe Pa was under to win. Blaming that culture for what happened seems to me to be a lot like wanting to sue a fashion magazine whenever an anorexic woman dies of a stroke. Aside from that, this fine that PSU has to pay could end up hurting other academic or athletic programs that had nothing to do with the "culture" in the football program. Joe Pa, the president, and AD were all fired before any formal investigating was done to see if there was any kind of negligence. Doesn't seem like lack of institutional control when you oust the entire chain of command in one swoop.

If the NCAA really gave a crap about the victims, they would let Penn State play in post-season to earn money to give to charities. But the NCAA, being the fascist, hypocritical organization it is, just wanted heads to roll and didn't really care one bit about who these sanctions might hurt.

F the NCAA

Please, are you serious? There was a lack of insitutional control from at minimum 2001, if not 1998 all the way until the grand jury report hit the fan. For crying out loud the Tickle Monster was watching a game in 2011 from Spanier's box!!

From academic urging to hushing-up on- and off-campus incidents with FB players EVERYONE knew JoePa was the ultimate authority up there. It is sad & embarassing to see the ongoing reactions over this from the Penn State community. Watching this tool trustee Lubrano yesterday bitch & moan about the NCAA sanctions - if PSU was past this & serious about moving on they would terminate him ASAP.

This punishment was needed by the NCAA. If you listened to Erickson yesterday it sounded like PSU had a choice between what they got & a 2-3 year death penalty.

Thumbs up to the NCAA

[Franks Tanks]

You know, I keep hearing the word "culture" used ad nauseum as if just saying that word implicates the entire institution and not just the president, AD, and Joe Pa. EVERY major BCS institution has a culture where there is a lot of pressure to win, and you could argue that Joe Pa was under a lot less than a lot of coaches at elite programs. What happened with Sandusky is not the fault of the pressure Joe Pa was under to win. Blaming that culture for what happened seems to me to be a lot like wanting to sue a fashion magazine whenever an anorexic woman dies of a stroke. Aside from that, this fine that PSU has to pay could end up hurting other academic or athletic programs that had nothing to do with the "culture" in the football program. Joe Pa, the president, and AD were all fired before any formal investigating was done to see if there was any kind of negligence. Doesn't seem like lack of institutional control when you oust the entire chain of command in one swoop.

If the NCAA really gave a crap about the victims, they would let Penn State play in post-season to earn money to give to charities. But the NCAA, being the fascist, hypocritical organization it is, just wanted heads to roll and didn't really care one bit about who these sanctions might hurt.

F the NCAA

Please, are you serious? There was a lack of insitutional control from at minimum 2001, if not 1998 all the way until the grand jury report hit the fan. For crying out loud the Tickle Monster was watching a game in 2011 from Spanier's box!!

From academic urging to hushing-up on- and off-campus incidents with FB players EVERYONE knew JoePa was the ultimate authority up there. It is sad & embarassing to see the ongoing reactions over this from the Penn State community. Watching this tool trustee Lubrano yesterday bitch & moan about the NCAA sanctions - if PSU was past this & serious about moving on they would terminate him ASAP.

This punishment was needed by the NCAA. If you listened to Erickson yesterday it sounded like PSU had a choice between what they got & a 2-3 year death penalty.

Thumbs up to the NCAA

Are you serious? He didn't say PSU wasn't at fault in any way, he said PSU had a culture that was no different that any big time program, and in fact let Joe stay much longer than most. Therefore they were less about winning than an SEC school who fires a 9-3 coach.

Also Jerry being in the box had nothing to do with culture and everything to do with the failure of a few men. Interesting that you bring up this example when it does not support your point. The PSU culture didn't know about Jerry, and few men did, just as was originally suggested.

[89Hen]

I laughed.