Long term is right. The Ryan Plan would balance the budget in 23 years. It's also a jobs and wage problem and cutting federal spending further reduces demand. Good god the spending hole we're in is deep.UNI88 wrote:Good thing you're not voting for either one because Obama is following the same economics that got Europe into the mess they're in in the first place. I'll take a version of Ryan's austerity economics over the spend money now to keep people fat, dumb & happy and we'll figure out how to (make our kids) pay for it later approach that Obama is following. It might hurt but it will put the country on the road to long term success and true prosperity faster than Obama's Hopium based ponzi scheme.kalm wrote:
This was exactly my initial thought and why I think he's a good pick. Ryan's economics are proven not to work, but Obama has only partially reinflated a bubble and done very little to improve the economic fundamentals. Should be a very interesting contrast.
I'm still not voting for either one though.
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I'm concerned with D1B being in Ryan's closet.HI54UNI wrote:I'm OK with it. Rubio has some skeletons in his closet so you knew it wouldn't be him. Ryan should help keep Wisconsin competitive. Only bad thing I see is the ads coming about killing old people by taking away their Medicare and SS.
From what I've read about him he definitely will be the smart guy in the room.

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Have the Democrats that say Ryans budget would prove disasterous for America provided us with a budget? Is there anyway we can compromise?
I doubt it. America is so polarized and I would say many are jaded.
I doubt it. America is so polarized and I would say many are jaded.
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You're welcome!Good god the spending hole we're in is deep.

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Debt was 120% of GDP after WWII, we paid it off in less than a decade. Clinton left office with a surplus.JohnStOnge wrote:You're welcome!Good god the spending hole we're in is deep.
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Come to think of it, you know what else you can blame FDR for? We went 60 years without a major banking crisis until Glass-Steagal was destroyed.

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Thank you, Bill Clinton.kalm wrote:Come to think of it, you know what else you can blame FDR for? We went 60 years without a major banking crisis until Glass-Steagal was destroyed.![]()
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Ibanez wrote:Thank you, Bill Clinton.kalm wrote:Come to think of it, you know what else you can blame FDR for? We went 60 years without a major banking crisis until Glass-Steagal was destroyed.![]()
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Yes, them too. But, you know the Prez takes all the blame.kalm wrote:Ibanez wrote:
Thank you, Bill Clinton....and Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and the 104th congress.
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Ryan's plan might not be perfect but at least it's a plan.Ibanez wrote:Have the Democrats that say Ryans budget would prove disasterous for America provided us with a budget? Is there anyway we can compromise?
I doubt it. America is so polarized and I would say many are jaded.
The only other alternative is Simpson Bowles which is a compromise and thus not going to happen.
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Banks melted down before Glass-Steagall, too. The root cause is the entire Federal Reserve System.kalm wrote:Come to think of it, you know what else you can blame FDR for? We went 60 years without a major banking crisis until Glass-Steagal was destroyed.![]()
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That is what I thought. That is also my problem with Washington. If Congressman A comes up with a plan and all you do is say it's crazy, irresponible and dangerous then you really have no room to talk because you have no better plan. I think there is a great compromise in seriously reforming taxes and entitlements and prioritizing the defense budget.UNI88 wrote:Ryan's plan might not be perfect but at least it's a plan.Ibanez wrote:Have the Democrats that say Ryans budget would prove disasterous for America provided us with a budget? Is there anyway we can compromise?
I doubt it. America is so polarized and I would say many are jaded.
The only other alternative is Simpson Bowles which is a compromise and thus not going to happen.
Also, since when does Congress know better than the Pentagon? The DoD has a job and it knows what it does and doesn't need. However, Congress FORCES the Pentagon to buy more and more. I know what Congress is doing, but this doesn't seem responsible in the grand scheme of things. No, I don't want people to lose their jobs, but we can't afford to spend recklessly because Congress lacks the balls to make the difficult, correct decision.
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Baldy wrote:Banks melted down before Glass-Steagall, too. The root cause is the entire Federal Reserve System.kalm wrote:Come to think of it, you know what else you can blame FDR for? We went 60 years without a major banking crisis until Glass-Steagal was destroyed.![]()
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I calling any Republican VP candidate a "nice pick" until he/she receives a ringing endorsement from AZGriz....

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I agree, not enough hype.houndawg wrote:I calling any Republican VP candidate a "nice pick" until he/she receives a ringing endorsement from AZGriz....![]()
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We want to hear about the masterstroke choice of VPs. Compare and contrast with McCain's pick.AZGrizFan wrote:I've already said who I'm voting for.houndawg wrote:I calling any Republican VP candidate a "nice pick" until he/she receives a ringing endorsement from AZGriz....![]()
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I've also already said who I thought he should pick.houndawg wrote:We want to hear about the masterstroke choice of VPs. Compare and contrast with McCain's pick.AZGrizFan wrote:
I've already said who I'm voting for.
Hint: It wasn't Ryan.
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You thought Palin was the right choice but not Ryan. This bodes well for your side.AZGrizFan wrote:I've also already said who I thought he should pick.houndawg wrote:
We want to hear about the masterstroke choice of VPs. Compare and contrast with McCain's pick.
Hint: It wasn't Ryan.
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I chuckled, she doesn't look so bad now compared to Obamahoundawg wrote:We want to hear about the masterstroke choice of VPs. Compare and contrast with McCain's pick.AZGrizFan wrote:
I've already said who I'm voting for.

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Only because we didn't have the misfortune of seeing her be a heart attack away from becoming POTUS.Gil Dobie wrote:I chuckled, she doesn't look so bad now compared to Obamahoundawg wrote:
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Looks like the heart attack scare was just more smoke a mirrors by Axelrod the puppet master.Grizalltheway wrote:Only because we didn't have the misfortune of seeing her be a heart attack away from becoming POTUS.Gil Dobie wrote:
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Baldy's correct. Ryan has no peers regarding budgetary matters.dbackjon wrote:Baldy wrote: It doesn't matter who Romney picked. The only thing Obama has is half truths, he definitely can't run on his record.
Hell, we're not even half way through August and Obama has already pulled the murder card. Rubio is a great guy and his time is coming, but Ryan is a budgetary genius and can explain complicated economic related issues in layman's terms.
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Next to regulatory/tax rollback (=jobs), there is no matter of greater importance.
Wack and spin all you want, jon...Ryan was a GREAT choice.
...yet, you'd still support Obama/Biden.
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Except for Greenspan, Norquist, Moore, etc.travelinman67 wrote:Baldy's correct. Ryan has no peers regarding budgetary matters.dbackjon wrote:
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