South Africa

[dal4018]

Clenz if I'am it's because I had two centuries of learning thanks to your ancestors.

Get over it and stop using slavery as a crutch. THis is why black people are stunted in America and hated by blacks in other countries. I've met many Africans and European blacks, they have nothing good to say about American blacks.

My Irish ancestors were treated like ****, you don't see Irish Americans bitching and whinig. Slavery happened and it's been over since 1865. Jim Crow has been over since the 60's. Get over it. I'm sure the blacks that fought for Civil Rights would be embarassed to see the condition of blacks in America...and it's all from their own doing.

Tell this to the IRA them them to forget all the injustices they endured at the hands of Great Britain.Didn't know Irish Americans had the pleasure of dealing with the slave trade.I seemed to remember their contributions to the detriment of black ppl in New York in the 1860s when they were burning down orphanages that were used by black ppl exclusively.I guess that was their way of getting over their mistreatment by their fellow Europeans.

[ASUG8]

Get over it and stop using slavery as a crutch. THis is why black people are stunted in America and hated by blacks in other countries. I've met many Africans and European blacks, they have nothing good to say about American blacks.

My Irish ancestors were treated like ****, you don't see Irish Americans bitching and whinig. Slavery happened and it's been over since 1865. Jim Crow has been over since the 60's. Get over it. I'm sure the blacks that fought for Civil Rights would be embarassed to see the condition of blacks in America...and it's all from their own doing.

Tell this to the IRA them them to forget all the injustices they endured at the hands of Great Britain.Didn't know Irish Americans had the pleasure of dealing with the slave trade.I seemed to remember their contributions to the detriment of black ppl in New York in the 1860s when they were burning down orphanages that were used by black ppl exclusively.I guess that was their way of getting over their mistreatment by their fellow Europeans.

C'mon dal - unless someone here has a gimp tied up in their basement no one on this board has ever owned or been a slave. It's fine to remember the past and take a lesson from it, but you can't live your life 150 yrs after it was officially ended as an excuse for any perceived injustices. I can't dunk or run a sub 4 minute mile but I don't blame that on how my German immigrant ancestors were treated in Philly when they immigrated in the late 1770's.

[Ibanez]

Get over it and stop using slavery as a crutch. THis is why black people are stunted in America and hated by blacks in other countries. I've met many Africans and European blacks, they have nothing good to say about American blacks.

My Irish ancestors were treated like ****, you don't see Irish Americans bitching and whinig. Slavery happened and it's been over since 1865. Jim Crow has been over since the 60's. Get over it. I'm sure the blacks that fought for Civil Rights would be embarassed to see the condition of blacks in America...and it's all from their own doing.

Tell this to the IRA them them to forget all the injustices they endured at the hands of Great Britain.Didn't know Irish Americans had the pleasure of dealing with the slave trade.I seemed to remember their contributions to the detriment of black ppl in New York in the 1860s when they were burning down orphanages that were used by black ppl exclusively.I guess that was their way of getting over their mistreatment by their fellow Europeans.

God, you are dumb. The IRA was fighting England in Ireland. They weren't Irish Americans (actually, one of their leaders were.) Second, you are referring to the Race Riots of 1864 where Native New Yorkers went around terrorizing and killing blacks and immigrants. You see, there was a conscription and New Yorkers (liked most northerners) blamed the blacks for the Civil War. You have no concept of history or the English language. Martin Luther King would be so embarassed with your ignorance and laziness.

[bluehenbillk]

Wow. This whole thread. Wow.



It's 2012 - can't we move past the whole race thing.......

[Ibanez]

Tell this to the IRA them them to forget all the injustices they endured at the hands of Great Britain.Didn't know Irish Americans had the pleasure of dealing with the slave trade.I seemed to remember their contributions to the detriment of black ppl in New York in the 1860s when they were burning down orphanages that were used by black ppl exclusively.I guess that was their way of getting over their mistreatment by their fellow Europeans.

C'mon dal - unless someone here has a gimp tied up in their basement no one on this board has ever owned or been a slave. It's fine to remember the past and take a lesson from it, but you can't live your life 150 yrs after it was officially ended as an excuse for any perceived injustices. I can't dunk or run a sub 4 minute mile but I don't blame that on how my German immigrant ancestors were treated in Philly when they immigrated in the late 1770's.

Dal would say:

your ancestors made up for killing jews in 1839 when they invaded pearl harbor and overthrowed cuba with michael collins

[dal4018]

Tell this to the IRA them them to forget all the injustices they endured at the hands of Great Britain.Didn't know Irish Americans had the pleasure of dealing with the slave trade.I seemed to remember their contributions to the detriment of black ppl in New York in the 1860s when they were burning down orphanages that were used by black ppl exclusively.I guess that was their way of getting over their mistreatment by their fellow Europeans.

C'mon dal - unless someone here has a gimp tied up in their basement no one on this board has ever owned or been a slave. It's fine to remember the past and take a lesson from it, but you can't live your life 150 yrs after it was officially ended as an excuse for any perceived injustices. I can't dunk or run a sub 4 minute mile but I don't blame that on how my German immigrant ancestors were treated in Philly when they immigrated in the late 1770's.

Not living my life in the past but that doesn't mean I will forget those that made my existence possible it would be an insult to those that lived in that era.It would be just like spitting on their collective graves to say what you endured doesn't matter to me.To me that is a insult of the highest degree.

[ASUG8]

C'mon dal - unless someone here has a gimp tied up in their basement no one on this board has ever owned or been a slave. It's fine to remember the past and take a lesson from it, but you can't live your life 150 yrs after it was officially ended as an excuse for any perceived injustices. I can't dunk or run a sub 4 minute mile but I don't blame that on how my German immigrant ancestors were treated in Philly when they immigrated in the late 1770's.

Not living my life in the past but that doesn't mean I will forget those that made my existence possible it would be an insult to those that lived in that era.It would be just like spitting on their collective graves to say what you endured doesn't matter to me.To me that is a insult of the highest degree.

Did you miss the underlined part?

[dal4018]

Tell this to the IRA them them to forget all the injustices they endured at the hands of Great Britain.Didn't know Irish Americans had the pleasure of dealing with the slave trade.I seemed to remember their contributions to the detriment of black ppl in New York in the 1860s when they were burning down orphanages that were used by black ppl exclusively.I guess that was their way of getting over their mistreatment by their fellow Europeans.

God, you are dumb. The IRA was fighting England in Ireland. They weren't Irish Americans (actually, one of their leaders were.) Second, you are referring to the Race Riots of 1864 where Native New Yorkers went around terrorizing and killing blacks and immigrants. You see, there was a conscription and New Yorkers (liked most northerners) blamed the blacks for the Civil War. You have no concept of history or the English language. Martin Luther King would be so embarassed with your ignorance and laziness.

I know that the IRA was fighting overseas just using them as an example.Yes it's amazing that my ppl were blamed for something that they didn't start it's just like blaming a woman for being sexually assaulted.As stated before those native Americans were of Irish decent.How would you know what MLK thought of my concept of history????

[dal4018]

Not living my life in the past but that doesn't mean I will forget those that made my existence possible it would be an insult to those that lived in that era.It would be just like spitting on their collective graves to say what you endured doesn't matter to me.To me that is a insult of the highest degree.

Did you miss the underlined part?

Yes I saw your underlined point as stated before not living in the past but will not forget either.Jewish Americans remember the Holocaust and no one tells them to forget Auschwitz,WWII.

[Gil Dobie]

Maybe they currently have other priorities, like feeding the population or education. Just reading a few blurbs, life expectancy is around 50 years. I don't think the sports system in South Africa is very well developed yet, outside of soccer or the white population.

Then as usual it will be up to the black ppl over there to make a way for themselves to show the world that black athletic does exist in the land of there ancestors.None of their white counterparts showed their faces on the medal podium.The only athlete from South Africa that I believe got on the podium was Castor Semenya their world class 800m specialist who had her gender brought into question.I think she got silver.Other than her all ppl talked about was Pistorius.

They won a total of 6 Olympic medals total, 3 Gold. They don't really have a well developed national sports program of any kind. South Africa demographics show about 79% Black, so yes they would have to make sports a priority to get the programs going.

[dal4018]

Then as usual it will be up to the black ppl over there to make a way for themselves to show the world that black athletic does exist in the land of there ancestors.None of their white counterparts showed their faces on the medal podium.The only athlete from South Africa that I believe got on the podium was Castor Semenya their world class 800m specialist who had her gender brought into question.I think she got silver.Other than her all ppl talked about was Pistorius.

They won a total of 6 Olympic medals total, 3 Gold. They don't really have a well developed national sports program of any kind. South Africa demographics show about 79% Black, so yes they would have to make sports a priority to get the programs going.

What are they waiting for Christmas saw the World Junior Olympics and saw the same thing a all white female 4x400 relay squad that finished DEAD LAST by the way !!!!! Looks like Apartheid is still going strong!!!

[ASUG8]

Did you miss the underlined part?

Yes I saw your underlined point as stated before not living in the past but will not forget either.Jewish Americans remember the Holocaust and no one tells them to forget Auschwitz,WWII.

Nor should they, especially when there are still Auschwitz survivors with their wrist tattoos living among us. There are a lot of distractions happening in Africa (including South Africa) that likely pull away support for cultivating world caliber Olympic athletes. Just a quick read below of travel warnings due to gang and terrorist activity encompasses nearly the entire continent:

http://goafrica.about.com/od/healthands ... rnings.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wish good things for Africa, but change happens at a glacial rate and with the levels of violence and political unrest rampant across the continent I doubt you'll see a lot of resources devoted to making a big splash on the international sports scene.

[dal4018]

Yes I saw your underlined point as stated before not living in the past but will not forget either.Jewish Americans remember the Holocaust and no one tells them to forget Auschwitz,WWII.

Nor should they, especially when there are still Auschwitz survivors with their wrist tattoos living among us. There are a lot of distractions happening in Africa (including South Africa) that likely pull away support for cultivating world caliber Olympic athletes. Just a quick read below of travel warnings due to gang and terrorist activity encompasses nearly the entire continent:

http://goafrica.about.com/od/healthands ... rnings.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wish good things for Africa, but change happens at a glacial rate and with the levels of violence and political unrest rampant across the continent I doubt you'll see a lot of resources devoted to making a big splash on the international sports scene.

As stated before ppl need to get on the bandwagon and start to use those resources or their might not be a continent.As for the survivors of Adolph&company of course they shouldn't forget but no one encourages them to either.I know all of the black ppl that came up in the era of the slave trade are dead and gone but the after effects of what they endured still has a strong residual effect upon black ppl of the modern era.Its easy for someone to tell black ppl to let bygones be bygones but if it were you the situation would be different I assure you.

[dal4018]

Griz what is wrong with Johannesburg?!?!?

You clearly have no idea of living conditions, sanitation and crime in Johannesburg. Hey, how about we have the next Olympics in Compton!


Btw, Gabby Douglas deserves all the respect and admiration coming to her. Good for her!

And it just so happens that the majority of ppl who live in Johnannesburg are black.

[dbackjon]

dal - why do you dislike Oscar Pistorus?

I have nothing against, Pistorius it's that all the attention ,he got but accomplished nothing there, were other athletes that were more deserving of media attention than he was.The media focused upon him simply because of his medical disorder.Yes it was amazing to see him, compete vs able body athletes but he blew his chance to advance to the 400 final by running a high school like time of 46.54 in his semi-final race.I was personally hoping ,that he made the final just to see how he would have faired ,against those other guys was hoping for a sub 45 in the area of 44.7/44.9.He had a chance to make history, by becoming the first man in South African history to make a Olympic final.As stated before that honor went to Anaso Jobodwana a fellow South African.I'am not the only person who felt that he received too much media attention.

It was the MEDICAL DISABILITY that got the attention. Oscar could have been black, yellow, brown, from Zambia, Portugal, Paraguay, etc - who/where he was didn't matter...

[dal4018]

It's been over two to three decades and they haven't realized that there are black athletes in this country???What has taken them so long???

Maybe they currently have other priorities, like feeding the population or education. Just reading a few blurbs, life expectancy is around 50 years. I don't think the sports system in South Africa is very well developed yet, outside of soccer or the white population.

They have enough time to feed,educate,train certain parts of the South African population!!!!

[dal4018]

I have nothing against, Pistorius it's that all the attention ,he got but accomplished nothing there, were other athletes that were more deserving of media attention than he was.The media focused upon him simply because of his medical disorder.Yes it was amazing to see him, compete vs able body athletes but he blew his chance to advance to the 400 final by running a high school like time of 46.54 in his semi-final race.I was personally hoping ,that he made the final just to see how he would have faired ,against those other guys was hoping for a sub 45 in the area of 44.7/44.9.He had a chance to make history, by becoming the first man in South African history to make a Olympic final.As stated before that honor went to Anaso Jobodwana a fellow South African.I'am not the only person who felt that he received too much media attention.

It was the MEDICAL DISABILITY that got the attention. Oscar could have been black, yellow, brown, from Zambia, Portugal, Paraguay, etc - who/where he was didn't matter...

Yes as stated before I had no problem with the human interest story that was Oscar Pistorius my problem was that the media lingered on it entirely too much.NBC made a big deal about him anchoring the SA 4x400 relay but they came in dead last!!! Frankly I'am surprised no one talked about Christophe LeMaitre from France and his groundbreaking efforts from two yrs ago when he made track& field history by becoming the FIRST WHITE SPRINTER to crash through the Ten Second barrier in the 100m dash running back to back to back efforts of 9.98,9.97 on his home soil.I jokingly told a childhood friend that if LeMaitre were American he would have been a household name already and Oprah Winfrey would have thrown a boatload of cash at him just to put his life story on a movie screen.

[dbackjon]

Not enough melanin.

Excuse me last time I checked the true home of all those white South Africans began in a country on European soil ever heard of a place called Holland?!?!?!?!?!

You really need to study the history of Southern Africa. I have been interested/studying this history of South Africa since high school. I took graduate history class in Southern Africa history taught by a black South African.

From your statement above, it is clear that you have no clue that the ancestors of 80+% of the current black South African population arrived in what is now South Africa at the same time or AFTER the Dutch got there? The Zulus migrated from Central Africa, and displaced/killed the native black population with far more intensity and vicousness than the white colonizers did.

[dbackjon]

It was the MEDICAL DISABILITY that got the attention. Oscar could have been black, yellow, brown, from Zambia, Portugal, Paraguay, etc - who/where he was didn't matter...

Yes as stated before I had no problem with the human interest story that was Oscar Pistorius my problem that the media lingered on it entirely too much.NBC made a big deal about him anchoring the SA 4x400 relay but they came in dead last!!!

They lingered on a lot of people way too long.

And they did do stories on the woman from Saudi (who didn't even make a final, or advance at all).

[dal4018]

Excuse me last time I checked the true home of all those white South Africans began in a country on European soil ever heard of a place called Holland?!?!?!?!?!

You really need to study the history of Southern Africa. I have been interested/studying this history of South Africa since high school. I took graduate history class in Southern Africa history taught by a black South African.

From your statement above, it is clear that you have no clue that the ancestors of 80+% of the current black South African population arrived in what is now South Africa at the same time or AFTER the Dutch got there? The Zulus migrated from Central Africa, and displaced/killed the native black population with far more intensity and vicousness than the white colonizers did.

I know about what the Zulus did but no one talks about them and they didn't start Apartheid.The Zulus are dead and gone but the beneficiaries of Apartheid are around and still going strong!!!

[dal4018]

Yes as stated before I had no problem with the human interest story that was Oscar Pistorius my problem that the media lingered on it entirely too much.NBC made a big deal about him anchoring the SA 4x400 relay but they came in dead last!!!

They lingered on a lot of people way too long.

And they did do stories on the woman from Saudi (who didn't even make a final, or advance at all).

I didn't see it saw a quick shot of Lewis Johnson congratulating the woman but no interview was given.

[clenz]

Dal....people like you are the reason racism will never go away in America.


The world would be better of if people like you dropped dead

[dbackjon]

You really need to study the history of Southern Africa. I have been interested/studying this history of South Africa since high school. I took graduate history class in Southern Africa history taught by a black South African.

From your statement above, it is clear that you have no clue that the ancestors of 80+% of the current black South African population arrived in what is now South Africa at the same time or AFTER the Dutch got there? The Zulus migrated from Central Africa, and displaced/killed the native black population with far more intensity and vicousness than the white colonizers did.

I know about what the Zulus did but no one talks about them and they didn't start Apartheid.The Zulus are dead and gone but the beneficiaries of Apartheid are around and still going strong!!!

Um - no. The Zulus are still there -the majority of black South Africans are Zulu.

No one is defending Arartheid. I was writing papers, encouraging boycotts against it while you were still in diapers. South Africa has made remarkable racial progress since the end of it. It took a truly visionary person like Nelson Mandala to pull it off

You seem to think that South Africa would be better off if all the white people, who have been there as long as the black people, all left. You are dead wrong on that. South Africa is a vibrant, mostly successful country BECAUSE the whites stayed, and worked under the new mostly black leadership of the country.

[dal4018]

Dal....people like you are the reason racism will never go away in America.


The world would be better of if people like you dropped dead

Don't blame me for something your ancestors started.

[Ibanez]

Did you miss the underlined part?

Yes I saw your underlined point as stated before not living in the past but will not forget either.Jewish Americans remember the Holocaust and no one tells them to forget Auschwitz,WWII.

Auschwitz survivors don't use that as a crutch and blame Nazi's for all their problems. UNlike the blacks that still blame white people.