South Africa

[dal4018]

I know about what the Zulus did but no one talks about them and they didn't start Apartheid.The Zulus are dead and gone but the beneficiaries of Apartheid are around and still going strong!!!

Um - no. The Zulus are still there -the majority of black South Africans are Zulu.

No one is defending Arartheid. I was writing papers, encouraging boycotts against it while you were still in diapers. South Africa has made remarkable racial progress since the end of it. It took a truly visionary person like Nelson Mandala to pull it off

You seem to think that South Africa would be better off if all the white people, who have been there as long as the black people, all left. You are dead wrong on that. South Africa is a vibrant, mostly successful country BECAUSE the whites stayed, and worked under the new mostly black leadership of the country.

Once again I never said it would be better off if all those transplanted Dutch ppl left I just want to see their black counterparts be given the opportunity to make a contribution to the land in which they were born.Hopefully in the next four yrs that will be a possibility but I will not hold my breath.

[Ibanez]

God, you are dumb. The IRA was fighting England in Ireland. They weren't Irish Americans (actually, one of their leaders were.) Second, you are referring to the Race Riots of 1864 where Native New Yorkers went around terrorizing and killing blacks and immigrants. You see, there was a conscription and New Yorkers (liked most northerners) blamed the blacks for the Civil War. You have no concept of history or the English language. Martin Luther King would be so embarassed with your ignorance and laziness.

I know that the IRA was fighting overseas just using them as an example.Yes it's amazing that my ppl were blamed for something that they didn't start it's just like blaming a woman for being sexually assaulted.As stated before those native Americans were of Irish decent.How would you know what MLK thought of my concept of history????

MLK was for being your own man. For being a responsible adult and taking advantage of this country. You clearly hold on to the past and use it as justification for your problems.

[clenz]

Dal....people like you are the reason racism will never go away in America.


The world would be better of if people like you dropped dead

Don't blame me for something your ancestors started.

My ancestors?

1. The first fucking slaves weren't held by white people...they were likely held by FUCKING AFRICANS IN EGYPTl you dumb mother fucker.

2. MY ANCESTORS?!?! You don't know shit about my family. My family, both sides, immigrated here FROM GERMANY IN THE 1840'S AND 1850'S. Go do some research on how German immigrants were treated in America about that time. They were treated about a quarter step above slaves about that time, if they were lucky. Not only that, my family FOUGHT FOR THE NORTH and help black people during the civil war you dumb fucking piece of shit.

Should I treat all races/heritages poorly because they treated German's poorly? Fuck no! Hate breads hate. It's one thing to remember, learn, and grow from the past. It's another to hate people who had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Hate the slave owners of the 1800's, I don't give a fuck. Don't hate the people who had ZERO to do with it.

Hell, if it was for white people blacks would still be slaves

[clenz]

Um - no. The Zulus are still there -the majority of black South Africans are Zulu.

No one is defending Arartheid. I was writing papers, encouraging boycotts against it while you were still in diapers. South Africa has made remarkable racial progress since the end of it. It took a truly visionary person like Nelson Mandala to pull it off

You seem to think that South Africa would be better off if all the white people, who have been there as long as the black people, all left. You are dead wrong on that. South Africa is a vibrant, mostly successful country BECAUSE the whites stayed, and worked under the new mostly black leadership of the country.

Once again I never said it would be better off if all those transplanted Dutch ppl left I just want to see their black counterparts be given the opportunity to make a contribution to the land in which they were born.Hopefully in the next four yrs that will be a possibility but I will not hold my breath.

At this point those "dutch counterparts" have been born in South Africa for generations as well. They are just as "South African" as the black "South Africans"....just as African Americans are just as American as white Americans.

[Ibanez]

Nor should they, especially when there are still Auschwitz survivors with their wrist tattoos living among us. There are a lot of distractions happening in Africa (including South Africa) that likely pull away support for cultivating world caliber Olympic athletes. Just a quick read below of travel warnings due to gang and terrorist activity encompasses nearly the entire continent:

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I wish good things for Africa, but change happens at a glacial rate and with the levels of violence and political unrest rampant across the continent I doubt you'll see a lot of resources devoted to making a big splash on the international sports scene.

As stated before ppl need to get on the bandwagon and start to use those resources or their might not be a continent.As for the survivors of Adolph&company of course they shouldn't forget but no one encourages them to either.I know all of the black ppl that came up in the era of the slave trade are dead and gone but the after effects of what they endured still has a strong residual effect upon black ppl of the modern era.Its easy for someone to tell black ppl to let bygones be bygones but if it were you the situation would be different I assure you.

We should remember the past and make strides to not repeat the mistakes. But we shouldn't use events that happened 200 years ago define us and impede us from bettering our lives. Blacks have the same access to education that whites do. What is the excuse for not taking advantage of the public school system, getting good grades and pulling yourself out of poverty or the hood? I'm not black, so maybe I don't understand. But it's your job, as a black man, to change that. Blaming whites is not going to work. And thinking all whites had something to do with slavery is just ignorant. My ancestors never owned slaves. In fact, the FIRST movie theater in Charleston, SC to integrate the races in the 1930's was owned by my grandfather.

[dal4018]

As stated before ppl need to get on the bandwagon and start to use those resources or their might not be a continent.As for the survivors of Adolph&company of course they shouldn't forget but no one encourages them to either.I know all of the black ppl that came up in the era of the slave trade are dead and gone but the after effects of what they endured still has a strong residual effect upon black ppl of the modern era.Its easy for someone to tell black ppl to let bygones be bygones but if it were you the situation would be different I assure you.

We should remember the past and make strides to not repeat the mistakes. But we shouldn't use events that happened 200 years ago define us and impede us from bettering our lives. Blacks have the same access to education that whites do. What is the excuse for not taking advantage of the public school system, getting good grades and pulling yourself out of poverty or the hood? I'm not black, so maybe I don't understand. But it's your job, as a black man, to change that. Blaming whites is not going to work. And thinking all whites had something to do with slavery is just ignorant. My ancestors never owned slaves. In fact, the FIRST movie theater in Charleston, SC to integrate the races in the 1930's was owned by my grandfather.

You don't get it your ppl don't have to live with the residual effects of the slave trade.Overt racism of today can be traced back to what my ancestors had to deal with.The modern members of law enforcement can trace their beginnings back to the plantation overseer.If a black man ,woman became rebellious who was sent to control him???Agreed not all whites were involved in the slave trade never said that but again these ppl and their exploits aren't known to the general public.Ppl like Thaddeus Stevens a Republican congressman who was a staunch critic of the slave trade but he is depicted as a evil villian by historians but that isn't the case.He wanted to impeach Abraham Lincoln because he felt that Lincoln was not doing enough to end the misery of black ppl before he wrote the Emancipation Proclamation.My oldest brother remembers reading a article about Lincoln selling black ppl in back of the White House as if he was conducting a GOING OUT BUSINESS sale.He even made a joke about somebody associated with the Abolitionists after this person was murdered.What was the name of your grandfather and the movie theater he started????

[ASUG8]

We should remember the past and make strides to not repeat the mistakes. But we shouldn't use events that happened 200 years ago define us and impede us from bettering our lives. Blacks have the same access to education that whites do. What is the excuse for not taking advantage of the public school system, getting good grades and pulling yourself out of poverty or the hood? I'm not black, so maybe I don't understand. But it's your job, as a black man, to change that. Blaming whites is not going to work. And thinking all whites had something to do with slavery is just ignorant. My ancestors never owned slaves. In fact, the FIRST movie theater in Charleston, SC to integrate the races in the 1930's was owned by my grandfather.

You don't get it your ppl don't have to live with the residual effects of the slave trade.Overt racism of today can be traced back to what my ancestors had to deal with.The modern members of law enforcement can trace their beginnings back to the plantation overseer.If a black man ,woman became rebellious who was sent to control him???Agreed not all whites were involved in the slave trade never said that but again these ppl and their exploits aren't known to the general public.Ppl like Thaddeus Stevens a Republican congressman who was a staunch critic of the slave trade but he is depicted as a evil villian by historians but that isn't the case.He wanted to impeach Abraham Lincoln because he felt that Lincoln was not doing enough to end the misery of black ppl before he wrote the Emancipation Proclamation.My oldest brother remembers reading a article about Lincoln selling black ppl in back of the White House as if he was conducting a GOING OUT BUSINESS sale.He even made a joke about somebody associated with the Abolitionists after this person was murdered.

So there are no black police officers? Seems like I've seen pictures and seen them driving around my city before.....

You're talking about 1865 history like it's front page news right now. The country has never been less racially divided than it is now. Sure, Obama's preaching class warfare to fan the flames and make it more divisive along racial lines, but that's not a white president.

[dal4018]

Once again I never said it would be better off if all those transplanted Dutch ppl left I just want to see their black counterparts be given the opportunity to make a contribution to the land in which they were born.Hopefully in the next four yrs that will be a possibility but I will not hold my breath.

At this point those "dutch counterparts" have been born in South Africa for generations as well. They are just as "South African" as the black "South Africans"....just as African Americans are just as American as white Americans.

Yes but they were the minority in control of the majority.A older sister of mine saw a movie about a young woman from that country and she was expecting to see a young black woman and to her surprise she saw a blonde blue eyed female needless to say her mouth hit the floor.

[Ibanez]

We should remember the past and make strides to not repeat the mistakes. But we shouldn't use events that happened 200 years ago define us and impede us from bettering our lives. Blacks have the same access to education that whites do. What is the excuse for not taking advantage of the public school system, getting good grades and pulling yourself out of poverty or the hood? I'm not black, so maybe I don't understand. But it's your job, as a black man, to change that. Blaming whites is not going to work. And thinking all whites had something to do with slavery is just ignorant. My ancestors never owned slaves. In fact, the FIRST movie theater in Charleston, SC to integrate the races in the 1930's was owned by my grandfather.

You don't get it your ppl don't have to live with the residual effects of the slave trade.Overt racism of today can be traced back to what my ancestors had to deal with.The modern members of law enforcement can trace their beginnings back to the plantation overseer.If a black man ,woman became rebellious who was sent to control him???Agreed not all whites were involved in the slave trade never said that but again these ppl and their exploits aren't known to the general public.Ppl like Thaddeus Stevens a Republican congressman who was a staunch critic of the slave trade but he is depicted as a evil villian by historians but that isn't the case.He wanted to impeach Abraham Lincoln because he felt that Lincoln was not doing enough to end the misery of black ppl before he wrote the Emancipation Proclamation.My oldest brother remembers reading a article about Lincoln selling black ppl in back of the White House as if he was conducting a GOING OUT BUSINESS sale.He even made a joke about somebody associated with the Abolitionists after this person was murdered.What was the name of your grandfather and the movie theater he started????

Residual effects? Like what?

Do blacks not have access to the same education, health services and entertainment venues as whites? The slavery shit is old. There are countless blacks that pull themselves from the ghettos and rough neighborhoods.

Lincoln was a piece of shit that wanted to send all the black to Africa or Panama. He is nobody to celebrate.

[dal4018]

You don't get it your ppl don't have to live with the residual effects of the slave trade.Overt racism of today can be traced back to what my ancestors had to deal with.The modern members of law enforcement can trace their beginnings back to the plantation overseer.If a black man ,woman became rebellious who was sent to control him???Agreed not all whites were involved in the slave trade never said that but again these ppl and their exploits aren't known to the general public.Ppl like Thaddeus Stevens a Republican congressman who was a staunch critic of the slave trade but he is depicted as a evil villian by historians but that isn't the case.He wanted to impeach Abraham Lincoln because he felt that Lincoln was not doing enough to end the misery of black ppl before he wrote the Emancipation Proclamation.My oldest brother remembers reading a article about Lincoln selling black ppl in back of the White House as if he was conducting a GOING OUT BUSINESS sale.He even made a joke about somebody associated with the Abolitionists after this person was murdered.

So there are no black police officers? Seems like I've seen pictures and seen them driving around my city before.....

You're talking about 1865 history like it's front page news right now. The country has never been less racially divided than it is now. Sure, Obama's preaching class warfare to fan the flames and make it more divisive along racial lines, but that's not a white president.

Yes there are black police officers and they too have to deal with overt racism as is the case with regular citizens.Why do you think Pres.Obama is preaching so-called Class Warfare he only wants the wealthy to start paying their fare share of taxes.1865 has long since been gone just telling you what took place in that year.Desmond Robinson was shot in the back 21 times while he was on duty as a UNDERCOVER NYC TRANSIT POLICE OFFICER.Give thanks to fellow "officer" Christian Volpe who had the unmittigated gaul to visit his hospital room to "apologize".Needless to say he told the guy to leave with warp speed!!!!Robinson has been paralyzed since the incident took place in the late 90s.

[Ibanez]

So there are no black police officers? Seems like I've seen pictures and seen them driving around my city before.....

You're talking about 1865 history like it's front page news right now. The country has never been less racially divided than it is now. Sure, Obama's preaching class warfare to fan the flames and make it more divisive along racial lines, but that's not a white president.

Yes there are black police officers and they too have to deal with overt racism as is the case with regular citizens.Why do you think Pres.Obama is preaching so-called Class Warfare he only wants the wealthy to start paying their fare share of taxes.1865 has long since been gone just telling you what took place in that year.Desmond Robinson was shot in the back 21 times while he was on duty as a UNDERCOVER NYC TRANSIT POLICE OFFICER.Give thanks to fellow "officer" Christian Volpe who had the unmittigated gaul to visit his hospital room to "apologize".Needless to say he told the guy to leave with warp speed!!!!Robinson has been paralyzed since the incident took place in the late 90s.

Interesting. What is your alma mater?

[dal4018]

You don't get it your ppl don't have to live with the residual effects of the slave trade.Overt racism of today can be traced back to what my ancestors had to deal with.The modern members of law enforcement can trace their beginnings back to the plantation overseer.If a black man ,woman became rebellious who was sent to control him???Agreed not all whites were involved in the slave trade never said that but again these ppl and their exploits aren't known to the general public.Ppl like Thaddeus Stevens a Republican congressman who was a staunch critic of the slave trade but he is depicted as a evil villian by historians but that isn't the case.He wanted to impeach Abraham Lincoln because he felt that Lincoln was not doing enough to end the misery of black ppl before he wrote the Emancipation Proclamation.My oldest brother remembers reading a article about Lincoln selling black ppl in back of the White House as if he was conducting a GOING OUT BUSINESS sale.He even made a joke about somebody associated with the Abolitionists after this person was murdered.What was the name of your grandfather and the movie theater he started????

Residual effects? Like what?

Do blacks not have access to the same education, health services and entertainment venues as whites? The slavery **** is old. There are countless blacks that pull themselves from the ghettos and rough neighborhoods.

Lincoln was a piece of **** that wanted to send all the black to Africa or Panama. He is nobody to celebrate.

Residual effects like being pulled over by a white cop for no legal reason.Being attacked or murdered by cops remember Rodney King,Amadou Diallo,Malice Green,Abner Louima,Desmond Robinson who was as stated before was a Undercover NYC Transit Officer that had the "pleasure" of being shot 21 times by "fellow officer" Christian Volpe after he showed him his shield.All of these men have one thing in common they are black obviously and all came into contact with white men involved in law enforcement.Unfortunately Green,Diallo are not around to tell their side of the story.

[Ibanez]

Residual effects? Like what?

Do blacks not have access to the same education, health services and entertainment venues as whites? The slavery **** is old. There are countless blacks that pull themselves from the ghettos and rough neighborhoods.

Lincoln was a piece of **** that wanted to send all the black to Africa or Panama. He is nobody to celebrate.

Residual effects like being pulled over by a white cop for no legal reason.Being attacked or murdered by cops remember Rodney King,Amadou Diallo,Malice Green,Abner Louima,Desmond Robinson who was as stated before was a Undercover NYC Transit Officer that had the "pleasure" of being shot 21 times by "fellow officer" Christian Volpe after he showed him his shield.All of these men have one thing in common they are black obviously and all came into contact with white men involved in law enforcement.Unfortunately Green,Diallo are not around to tell their side of the story.

Rodney King? You mean the known criminal that was running from the police and resisting arrest, none of which was shown to the public, only his beating. I don'tknow those other dudes, but you lost all respect at Rodney King. He wasn't innocent.

[clenz]

Who kills more black people per year...whites or blacks?

Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2

[ASUG8]

So there are no black police officers? Seems like I've seen pictures and seen them driving around my city before.....

You're talking about 1865 history like it's front page news right now. The country has never been less racially divided than it is now. Sure, Obama's preaching class warfare to fan the flames and make it more divisive along racial lines, but that's not a white president.

Yes there are black police officers and they too have to deal with overt racism as is the case with regular citizens.Why do you think Pres.Obama is preaching so-called Class Warfare he only wants the wealthy to start paying their fare share of taxes.1865 has long since been gone just telling you what took place in that year.Desmond Robinson was shot in the back 21 times while he was on duty as a UNDERCOVER NYC TRANSIT POLICE OFFICER.Give thanks to fellow "officer" Christian Volpe who had the unmittigated gaul to visit his hospital room to "apologize".Needless to say he told the guy to leave with warp speed!!!!Robinson has been paralyzed since the incident took place in the late 90s.

An off duty cop with his gun drawn gets shot by another off duty cop in a subway station, so it's automatically a racially motivated shooting? NYPD has a huge force, it's doubtful they knew each other. By the way, Peter DelDebbio shot him five times, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. It's tragic when this happens, but not indicative of it being open season on off duty officers of color.

What do you make of this story - is it racially based or just mistaken identity?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/05/30/ ... 243711775/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[dal4018]

Yes there are black police officers and they too have to deal with overt racism as is the case with regular citizens.Why do you think Pres.Obama is preaching so-called Class Warfare he only wants the wealthy to start paying their fare share of taxes.1865 has long since been gone just telling you what took place in that year.Desmond Robinson was shot in the back 21 times while he was on duty as a UNDERCOVER NYC TRANSIT POLICE OFFICER.Give thanks to fellow "officer" Christian Volpe who had the unmittigated gaul to visit his hospital room to "apologize".Needless to say he told the guy to leave with warp speed!!!!Robinson has been paralyzed since the incident took place in the late 90s.

Interesting. What is your alma mater?

I attended North Carolina Central University a member of the HBCU family.It wouldn't matter what school I attended why did you ask??Just curious.

[dal4018]

[vimeo][/vimeo]

Yes there are black police officers and they too have to deal with overt racism as is the case with regular citizens.Why do you think Pres.Obama is preaching so-called Class Warfare he only wants the wealthy to start paying their fare share of taxes.1865 has long since been gone just telling you what took place in that year.Desmond Robinson was shot in the back 21 times while he was on duty as a UNDERCOVER NYC TRANSIT POLICE OFFICER.Give thanks to fellow "officer" Christian Volpe who had the unmittigated gaul to visit his hospital room to "apologize".Needless to say he told the guy to leave with warp speed!!!!Robinson has been paralyzed since the incident took place in the late 90s.

An off duty cop with his gun drawn gets shot by another off duty cop in a subway station, so it's automatically a racially motivated shooting? NYPD has a huge force, it's doubtful they knew each other. By the way, Peter DelDebbio shot him five times, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. It's tragic when this happens, but not indicative of it being open season on off duty officers of color.

What do you make of this story - is it racially based or just mistaken identity?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/05/30/ ... 243711775/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The name of Christian Volpe was what I saw in the papers.And Robinson is right the cops need to be re-trained.What do you call it when somebody tells that they are in law enforcement just like you but they still keep shooting.

[Grizalltheway]

Interesting. What is your alma mater?

I attended North Carolina Central University a member of the HBCU family.It wouldn't matter what school I attended why did you ask??Just curious.

So why are you a fan of SC State?

[ASUG8]

[vimeo][/vimeo]

An off duty cop with his gun drawn gets shot by another off duty cop in a subway station, so it's automatically a racially motivated shooting? NYPD has a huge force, it's doubtful they knew each other. By the way, Peter DelDebbio shot him five times, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. It's tragic when this happens, but not indicative of it being open season on off duty officers of color.

What do you make of this story - is it racially based or just mistaken identity?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/05/30/ ... 243711775/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The name of Christian Volpe was what I saw in the papers.And Robinson is right the cops need to be re-trained.What do you call it when somebody tells that they are in law enforcement just like you but you still keep shooting.

I'm no cop, but I would imagine my training would tell me that a guy on a subway platform with a gun out is probably going to shoot someone so I'd draw on him. If I know I'm a cop and he turns toward me with a loaded weapon before he can identify himself as a cop then he's probably going to get dropped no matter what color he is.

[dal4018]

Residual effects like being pulled over by a white cop for no legal reason.Being attacked or murdered by cops remember Rodney King,Amadou Diallo,Malice Green,Abner Louima,Desmond Robinson who was as stated before was a Undercover NYC Transit Officer that had the "pleasure" of being shot 21 times by "fellow officer" Christian Volpe after he showed him his shield.All of these men have one thing in common they are black obviously and all came into contact with white men involved in law enforcement.Unfortunately Green,Diallo are not around to tell their side of the story.

Rodney King? You mean the known criminal that was running from the police and resisting arrest, none of which was shown to the public, only his beating. I don'tknow those other dudes, but you lost all respect at Rodney King. He wasn't innocent.

Yes I know he was a six time convicted felon but that didn't justify the acts of those four cops on that fateful date of 3-3-91 and the whole world saw Uncle Sam in all it's glory.The cops accused him of having drugs in his system but the doctors at the hospital found no traces of any drug in him at all.They only stop simply because they thought a white female patrol officers life was at stake.I believe he was on his way home from work and she stopped him because of a broken tail light on his car.She even testified at their trial.

[dal4018]

[vimeo][/vimeo]The name of Christian Volpe was what I saw in the papers.And Robinson is right the cops need to be re-trained.What do you call it when somebody tells that they are in law enforcement just like you but you still keep shooting.

I'm no cop, but I would imagine my training would tell me that a guy on a subway platform with a gun out is probably going to shoot someone so I'd draw on him. If I know I'm a cop and he turns toward me with a loaded weapon before he can identify himself as a cop then he's probably going to get dropped no matter what color he is.

Robinson identified himself to DelDebbio and the guy kept on shooting!!!!

[dal4018]

I attended North Carolina Central University a member of the HBCU family.It wouldn't matter what school I attended why did you ask??Just curious.

So why are you a fan of SC State?

My mistake on that I'am a fan of all HBCUs just picked that one out of the blue.

[Ibanez]

Interesting. What is your alma mater?

I attended North Carolina Central University a member of the HBCU family.It wouldn't matter what school I attended why did you ask??Just curious.

I wanted to know where you were educated, because you write and debate as if you have no formal education.

[Grizalltheway]

I attended North Carolina Central University a member of the HBCU family.It wouldn't matter what school I attended why did you ask??Just curious.

I wanted to know where you educated educated, because you write and debate as if you have no formal education.

[Ibanez]

Rodney King? You mean the known criminal that was running from the police and resisting arrest, none of which was shown to the public, only his beating. I don'tknow those other dudes, but you lost all respect at Rodney King. He wasn't innocent.

Yes I know he was a six time convicted felon but that didn't justify the acts of those four cops on that fateful date of 3-3-91 and the whole world saw Uncle Sam in all it's glory.The cops accused him of having drugs in his system but the doctors at the hospital found no traces of any drug in him at all.They only stop simply because they thought a white female patrol officers life was at stake.I believe he was on his way home from work and she stopped him because of a broken tail light on his car.She even testified at their trial.

What? THat must be a different incident. He had been drinking and was speeding on the 210. Police tried to pull him over but he admittedly sped off. He admits to trying to lose the cops b/c he was drunk and that DUI would have violated his parole. WHen he was finally stopped, his two passengers were taken into custody. King, stayed in the car only to exit the vehicle and act bizarre. He started to grab his butt, which officers assumed he was reaching for a weapon. AT this point, he beings to resist arrest and gets tased. It's at this point when the video is taken.

Don't ignore the facts. He was drunk, speeding and resisting arrest. THe cops shouldn't have beat the shit out of him that is for sure.