Chris Christie... Tough guy, straight shooter

[89Hen]

Go fuck yourself.

BTW, I meant that in the nicest way possible.

[Chizzang]

The elite wealthy are not over taxed in our system
It's a good deal for them here in this country where we pay hundreds of percentage points more in salary to our top executives than anybody - anywhere else in the world

So they have a system here in the US that pays them 500% more than anywhere else in the world

I repeat - things are really good for the elite wealthy here in the US

You and Obama think a lot alike on this one.

Because a company is willing to pay you more, the government should take more.

Go fuck yourself.

Well you can spin it however you want...
I don't think we need to tax anybody any more than they are presently being taxed
I also don't think we need to reduce anybodies tax burden either - unless we reduce everybody's

All I'm saying is: The elite wealthy have it good in America
They have it very good and the fact that they can get middle class dolts to fight their battle for them proves how good they have it

I repeat: We don't have a tax revenue problem
and we don't need to provide anymore loop holes either

A flat tax would be awesome - I'm all for Tax Revision that does not include more loopholes or more tax hikes

But we've created a society that pays (not uncommon) 500% more for the exact same work as other countries
So how can I rightfully then think 50% tax on a 500% pay elevation is a "bad deal"

[CID1990]

You and Obama think a lot alike on this one.

Because a company is willing to pay you more, the government should take more.

Go **** yourself.

Well you can spin it however you want...
I don't think we need to tax anybody any more than they are presently being taxed
I also don't think we need to reduce anybodies tax burden either - unless we reduce everybody's

All I'm saying is: The elite wealthy have it good in America
They have it very good and the fact that they can get middle class dolts to fight their battle for them proves how good they have it

I repeat: We don't have a tax revenue problem
and we don't need to provide anymore loop holes either

A flat tax would be awesome - I'm all for Tax Revision that does not include more loopholes or more tax hikes

But we've created a society that pays (not uncommon) 500% more for the exact same work as other countries
So how can I rightfully then think 50% tax on a 500% pay elevation is a "bad deal"

Forbes is gonna love you. So will Ron Paul.

Houndawg, not so much.

[kalm]

FTR, if 2/3 of GDP is consumer spending, than I'm guessing the bottom 50% actually create quite a few jobs. Just sayin...again.

I'm about to keep some janitors at a brewery employed.

But, but, but, it's the brewery owner that keeps them employed...

[death dealer]

I'm about to keep some janitors at a brewery employed.

But, but, but, it's the brewery owner that keeps them employed...

He is in the sense that it's his ass hanging out there in the wind. What happens to the beer drinker if economic conditions drive the brewery into bankruptcy? They just find another brewery right? And what happens to the brewery owner? That's right, he's the only one who can't duck the shit coming off the fan. Therefore, his burden of risk earns him the higher level of respect I afford him. Any fucking schmuck can punch a clock day in and day out. There's nothing so fucking noble about that. It takes a special person to put his nuts in the vice of business ownership. That guy is a superior human being to his employees in some very key ways that a habitual bolt turner can never understand.

[death dealer]

My employees are great people. They work hard for me, they are dedicated, and are excellent at their chosen jobs. I hired them because of these traits, and trained and molded them to be what I needed them to be. But the fact is I could go in tomorrow, fire them all, put an ad in the paper, and within six months to a year have another staff just as excellent. I'm the only one in my organization who is truly irreplaceable, because I'm the only one in the building willing to nut up and do the necessary shit to build the business.

[kalm]

My employees are great people. They work hard for me, they are dedicated, and are excellent at their chosen jobs. I hired them because of these traits, and trained and molded them to be what I needed them to be. But the fact is I could go in tomorrow, fire them all, put an ad in the paper, and within six months to a year have another staff just as excellent. I'm the only one in my organization who is truly irreplaceable, because I'm the only one in the building willing to nut up and do the necessary shit to build the business.

I don't disagree one bit with either of these posts a I'm in a similar situation. But in the greater economy a good chunk of jobs are also created by the bolt turners and their wages who also drink beer and need their teeth worked on. I'm just trying to provide some balance to the conk "job creator/producer vs. taker meme.

[89Hen]

I also don't think we need to reduce anybodies tax burden either - unless we reduce everybody's

Ahhh, but there's the problem. If you reduce everyone's tax burden by 1%, who gets the most $ relief? And then people like you complaing the rich are getting more than their share of break.

[UD77]

The problem is the government could take away all of the 1%ers wealth (not just a 100% tax but everything they own) and it would make a very minor dent in the amount of debt that we have today.

Making the 1% appear to be the bad guys when we all really want to be them is the biggest joke of all. They are not the devil. How many jobs do the bottom 50% create???

You are proving that you have absolutely NO IDEA how much wealth that 1% holds


Not so much as a clue
I like your enthusiasm and understand your opinion - but you have not a clue what you're talking about
and yes the bottom 50% doesn't own **** or produce **** - agreed

I did mis-speak yesterday - what I meant to say was that the 1% could be taxed at a 100% level and it would not make a dent in the debt. Got a little carried away with the net asset comments.

[UD77]

My employees are great people. They work hard for me, they are dedicated, and are excellent at their chosen jobs. I hired them because of these traits, and trained and molded them to be what I needed them to be. But the fact is I could go in tomorrow, fire them all, put an ad in the paper, and within six months to a year have another staff just as excellent. I'm the only one in my organization who is truly irreplaceable, because I'm the only one in the building willing to nut up and do the necessary **** to build the business.

I don't disagree one bit with either of these posts a I'm in a similar situation. But in the greater economy a good chunk of jobs are also created by the bolt turners and their wages who also drink beer and need their teeth worked on. I'm just trying to provide some balance to the conk "job creator/producer vs. taker meme.

Suuposedly Ford did this when he paid his employees much more than the going wage when he started his production line. His own employees were able to buy the cars they made.

[death dealer]

I don't disagree one bit with either of these posts a I'm in a similar situation. But in the greater economy a good chunk of jobs are also created by the bolt turners and their wages who also drink beer and need their teeth worked on. I'm just trying to provide some balance to the conk "job creator/producer vs. taker meme.

Suuposedly Ford did this when he paid his employees much more than the going wage when he started his production line. His own employees were able to buy the cars they made.

It's referred to Fordism. I wrote my senior dissertation on it.

[89Hen]

Suuposedly Ford did this when he paid his employees much more than the going wage when he started his production line. His own employees were able to buy the cars they made.

It's referred to Fordism. I wrote my senior dissertation on it.

It's an interesting concept, but where does it end? Was it limited to line workers? What about custodial staff? Should a line worker at the BMW plant be able to afford a 5 series?

[Grizalltheway]

1. If you are talking about what people pay and their "fair share", tax brackets mean nothing to me. ETR means everything.

2. Capital income is absolutely income. Capital and Ordinary are merely two classifications of income that for individuals happen to be taxed at different statutory rates.

He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about
He thinks the 1% don't really control that much money - because it doesn't show up on US tax data


JP Morgan family alone removed there money from this country 100 years ago - you know - JP Morgan / Chase
Our very own Federal Reserve banking system is privately owned - gee I wonder how much money that is


It's amazing that Chase and B of A and Rothchild family have brilliantly convinced this guy to actually "defend them" as giving their fair share and we need to lighten up on all those "Producers"


too much - make it stop Last reports show that one of the Rothchilds (7th gen. sons) had over 50 billion freely visible in the US Banking system - that's what he just left lying around
Imagine what you can't see...

That's one 7th generation grandson - just ONE

I heard the other day that the Walton family alone controls as much wealth as the bottom 40% of the country...

[89Hen]

I heard the other day that the Walton family alone controls as much wealth as the bottom 40% of the country...

Storm the castle! er Walmart!

[Chizzang]

I also don't think we need to reduce anybodies tax burden either - unless we reduce everybody's

Ahhh, but there's the problem. If you reduce everyone's tax burden by 1%, who gets the most $ relief? And then people like you complaing the rich are getting more than their share of break.

You misrepresent me to suit you...
My statements are simple and straight forward and you continue to construe them
You just refuse to relent (which is fine) that the elite wealthy have it pretty damn good here in the USA



They are (globally) payed hundreds of percent higher for the same board positions and executive positions
and are taxed 50% on what they don't hide and what they don't loophole
Its a good deal - but if you insist of fighting their battle for them - knock yourself out
but I know enough to know - they have a pretty damn good situation - through personal relationships and direct communication with corporate directors board members and top executive positions - nobody's complaining

Because they don't have to do anything - you'll fight for them - it's a sweet deal frankly

[89Hen]

but I know enough to know - they have a pretty damn good situation - through personal relationships and direct communication with corporate directors board members and top executive positions - nobody's complaining

I don't think I'm misrepresnting what you're saying at all, you just don't like it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying because private companies are overpaying execs, the government should feel OK with taxing them at a higher rate than someobody making less.

[Chizzang]

but I know enough to know - they have a pretty damn good situation - through personal relationships and direct communication with corporate directors board members and top executive positions - nobody's complaining

I don't think I'm misrepresnting what you're saying at all, you just don't like it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying because private companies are overpaying execs, the government should feel OK with taxing them at a higher rate than someobody making less.

I'm saying we don't have a revenue problem
and the present tax laws are fine
and the elite wealthy are not complaining at all about how they are taxed presently - not one word of complaint

Only middle class guys like you are complaining about how the TOP executives are taxed
which frankly points to the bigger question: Why..?
They're completely thrilled with all the breaks and loopholes why are you so upset..?

[89Hen]

I don't think I'm misrepresnting what you're saying at all, you just don't like it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying because private companies are overpaying execs, the government should feel OK with taxing them at a higher rate than someobody making less.

I'm saying we don't have a revenue problem
and the present tax laws are fine
and the elite wealthy are not complaining at all about how they are taxed presently - not one word of complaint

Only middle class guys like you are complaining about how the TOP executives are taxed
which frankly points to the bigger question: Why..?
They're completely thrilled with all the breaks and loopholes why are you so upset..?

1. I'm not upset. I only really get upset at things that affect me. I'm selfish like that.
2. Who says they aren't complaining? How many 1%ers do you talk to regularly?
3. Even if they aren't complaining, would you, knowing that you're likely to piss off some whacko enough to come after you or your family.
4. So you agree that I was NOT misrepresnting your position.

[89Hen]

BTW, I should point out that if I do appear upset, it's because your president thinks I'm wealthy (as does the crappy Gov of my state). I'm in the same position as the 1%ers in that I'm not spending my days complaining about it because I know I am fortunate to have what I have, but that doesn't make it right.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't think I'm misrepresnting what you're saying at all, you just don't like it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying because private companies are overpaying execs, the government should feel OK with taxing them at a higher rate than someobody making less.

I'm saying we don't have a revenue problem
and the present tax laws are fine
and the elite wealthy are not complaining at all about how they are taxed presently - not one word of complaint

Only middle class guys like you are complaining about how the TOP executives are taxed
which frankly points to the bigger question: Why..?
They're completely thrilled with all the breaks and loopholes why are you so upset..?

Us "middle class guys" aren't complaining about how TOP executives are CURRENTLY taxes...we're complaining about the mindset that that's not enough. That enough blood isn't being taken. That the top 20% carrying 80% of the tax load somehow isn't our "fair share" and it should be more so we can have a society where 75% of the individuals have no skin in the game.

THAT'S what we're complaining about.

[Chizzang]

BTW, I should point out that if I do appear upset, it's because your president thinks I'm wealthy (as does the crappy Gov of my state). I'm in the same position as the 1%ers in that I'm not spending my days complaining about it because I know I am fortunate to have what I have, but that doesn't make it right.

We agree on plenty here...
You might be surprised who I've known and worked with in the past
These days I only know a few "elite" wealthy dudes and they are very good and "working the system" that's in place for them...

Most of them have gone to not paying themselves any real salary to speak of
Lease all vehicles under the corporate moniker including their jets and yachts
All personal expenses are filtered through the "company"

Look I'm not even very good at it and I haven't paid for a dinner in 10 years and I eat like a king (literally)
I have a "company" vehicle and a boat slip that I lease "back to the company"
it goes on and on


It's a good deal - trust me - and I'm not wealthy nor am I particularly skilled at working the system
Some of these dudes are MASTERS at it (like my brother)

[89Hen]

Look I'm not even very good at it and I haven't paid for a dinner in 10 years and I eat like a king (literally)
I have a "company" vehicle and a boat slip that I lease "back to the company"
it goes on and on


It's a good deal - trust me - and I'm not wealthy nor am I particularly skilled at working the system
Some of these dudes are MASTERS at it (like my brother)

Interesting. You are talking about the 1% taking advantage of the loopholes that you yourself take advantage of. So maybe the problem isn't the 1%, it's the 100% who aren't carrying their fair share.

[Chizzang]

Look I'm not even very good at it and I haven't paid for a dinner in 10 years and I eat like a king (literally)
I have a "company" vehicle and a boat slip that I lease "back to the company"
it goes on and on


It's a good deal - trust me - and I'm not wealthy nor am I particularly skilled at working the system
Some of these dudes are MASTERS at it (like my brother)

Interesting. You are talking about the 1% taking advantage of the loopholes that you yourself take advantage of. So maybe the problem isn't the 1%, it's the 100% who aren't carrying their fair share.

First:
They are all legal under Washington state Tax law
With consideration and regard to tax obligations in industry specific guidelines and completely adherent with 2012 taxable business activities in the state...

Secondly:
And might I repeat that my corporate activities are in alignment with my personal business activities and fall under all federal regulations and guidelines as noted

we're going to need to change the subject here - like right now

[89Hen]

we're going to need to change the subject here - like right now

I just don't understand how Harvard can actually move up in the polls without even playing a game while most everyone else has played two.

[Chizzang]

we're going to need to change the subject here - like right now

I just don't understand how Harvard can actually move up in the polls without even playing a game while most everyone else has played two.

Well frankly I believe Delaware is Under-Ranked right now...?


(seriously)