Big Sky to have 5 playoff teams?

Wildcat Ryan · Post by **Wildcat Ryan** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:43 am

Montana State- 9-1
Cal Poly- 8-2
Eastern Washington- 8-2
Northern Arizona- 8-2
Sacramento State- 6-4

If Sacramento State can beat UC Davis this weekend, they will have 7 D1 wins, one against FBS Pac 12 Colorado.

Can a 7-4 Sac State make the playoffs giving the Big Sky 5 teams in?

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:45 am

Wildcat Ryan wrote:Can a 7-4 Sac State make the playoffs giving the Big Sky 5 teams in?

No. Colgate/Fordham getting the PL auto and Coastal getting the BS auto = no chance.

bluehenbillk · Post by **bluehenbillk** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:50 am

Sacramento has zero chance. No 7-4 teams will be in the field other than the autobids.

Post by **kalm** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:53 am

No, and it may even only be three. They shouldn't be, but depending on how thing shake out, both NAU and Cal Poly could be bubble teams at 8-3.

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:07 am

kalm wrote:No, and it may even only be three. They shouldn't be, but depending on how thing shake out, both NAU and Cal Poly could be bubble teams at 8-3.

Heck, there could be 8 win CAA teams left out.

Weren't we just talking about the fact that playoff expansion would force the need to accept 6 win teams?

Post by **danefan** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:10 am

89Hen wrote:
Wildcat Ryan wrote:Can a 7-4 Sac State make the playoffs giving the Big Sky 5 teams in?
No. Colgate/Fordham getting the PL auto and Coastal getting the BS auto = no chance.

Colgate won the AQ. Fordham is not eligible.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:26 am

Autos locked (I think)
Bethune-Cookman 8-2
Eastern Illinois 7-3
Central Arkansas 8-2
Colgate 7-3

Autos (most likely)
Old Dominion 9-1
Eastern Washington 8-2
North Dakota State 9-1
Coastal Carolina 6-4
Wagner 7-3
Georgia Southern 8-2

Here's 13 teams for 10 more spots. Anyone who thinks a 7-4 team has a chance this year is smoking something...

Sam Houston State 8-2
Montana State 9-1
Wofford 8-2
Appalachian State 8-3
New Hampshire 8-2
Illinois State 8-2
Northern Arizona 8-2
Cal Poly 8-2
Richmond 7-3 (W&M)
Villanova 7-3 (Delaware)
South Dakota State 7-3 (South Dakota)
Indiana State 7-3 (YSU)
Lehigh 9-1

Post by **kalm** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:46 am

89Hen wrote:Autos locked (I think)
Bethune-Cookman 8-2
Eastern Illinois 7-3
Central Arkansas 8-2
Colgate 7-3

Autos (most likely)
Old Dominion 9-1
Eastern Washington 8-2
North Dakota State 9-1
Coastal Carolina 6-4
Wagner 7-3
Georgia Southern 8-2

Here's 13 teams for 10 more spots. Anyone who thinks a 7-4 team has a chance this year is smoking something...

Sam Houston State 8-2
Montana State 9-1
Wofford 8-2
Appalachian State 8-3
New Hampshire 8-2
Illinois State 8-2
Northern Arizona 8-2
Cal Poly 8-2
Richmond 7-3 (W&M)
Villanova 7-3 (Delaware)
South Dakota State 7-3 (South Dakota)
Indiana State 7-3 (YSU)
Lehigh 9-1

So you have Sam beating A&M this week?

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:50 am

kalm wrote:So you have Sam beating A&M this week?

No, but they will be 8-3 with 7 DI wins, have been trouncing everyone and are last year's runners-up... I think they'll be OK.

Post by **kalm** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:52 am

89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:So you have Sam beating A&M this week?
No, but they will be 8-3 with 7 DI wins, have been trouncing everyone and are last year's runners-up... I think they'll be OK.

I agree. But you've excluded everyone else's non-counters. Just trying to help.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:53 am

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: No, but they will be 8-3 with 7 DI wins, have been trouncing everyone and are last year's runners-up... I think they'll be OK.
I agree. But you've excluded everyone else's non-counters. Just trying to help.

Not following.

Post by **kalm** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:59 am

89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
I agree. But you've excluded everyone else's non-counters. Just trying to help.
Not following.

Ooops. You are showing current records. I thought you we're showing records without non-counter wins. My bad.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:02 am

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Not following.
Ooops. You are showing current records. I thought you we're showing records without non-counter wins. My bad.

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:05 am

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Not following.
Ooops. You are showing current records. I thought you we're showing records without non-counter wins. My bad.

You need to write "EC(b) knows best" 50 times as punishment.

YoUDeeMan · Post by **YoUDeeMan** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:05 am

89Hen wrote:Autos locked (I think)
Bethune-Cookman 8-2
Eastern Illinois 7-3
Central Arkansas 8-2
Colgate 7-3

Autos (most likely)
Old Dominion 9-1
Eastern Washington 8-2
North Dakota State 9-1
Coastal Carolina 6-4
Wagner 7-3
Georgia Southern 8-2

Here's 13 teams for 10 more spots. Anyone who thinks a 7-4 team has a chance this year is smoking something...

Sam Houston State 8-2
Montana State 9-1
Wofford 8-2
Appalachian State 8-3
New Hampshire 8-2
Illinois State 8-2
Northern Arizona 8-2
Cal Poly 8-2
Richmond 7-3 (W&M)
Villanova 7-3 (Delaware)
South Dakota State 7-3 (South Dakota)
Indiana State 7-3 (YSU)
Lehigh 9-1

Noty much time to post...but, can ODU win the auto bid for the CAA?

If Towson (at UNH), Nova (at UD), JMU (ODU), and Richmond (W&M) win this weekend, there is a 6 team pile up at 6-2 atop the CAA. ODU would be 9-2, but can't win the title so they would get an at large bid.

Not sure who would get the autobid in the remaining 5-team log jam (if it were Towson, that would be nuts), but the at large decisions woud be tough...JMU, Nova, Richmond, and UNH all would be 8-3, and Towson would be 7-4, but 7-2 versus FCS (with a fairly close loss at LSU).

Fun work for the committee if the games go the right way (not likely, but it is fun to imagine).

OK, back to the grindstone.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:21 am

Cluck U wrote:Noty much time to post...but, can ODU win the auto bid for the CAA?

If Towson (at UNH), Nova (at UD), JMU (ODU), and Richmond (W&M) win this weekend, there is a 6 team pile up at 6-2 atop the CAA. ODU would be 9-2, but can't win the title so they would get an at large bid.

I'm assuming UNH > Torson and ODU > JMU. If that happens, it's a two way tie with ODU > UNH.

Post by **93henfan** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:23 am

89Hen wrote:
Cluck U wrote:Noty much time to post...but, can ODU win the auto bid for the CAA?

If Towson (at UNH), Nova (at UD), JMU (ODU), and Richmond (W&M) win this weekend, there is a 6 team pile up at 6-2 atop the CAA. ODU would be 9-2, but can't win the title so they would get an at large bid.
I'm assuming UNH > Torson and ODU > JMU. If that happens, it's a two way tie with ODU > UNH.

What I think Cluck U is alluding to is that ODU is prohibited from winning the CAA autobid. Not that it makes one bit of difference in selecting the teams, since they are a very strong at-large.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:26 am

93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: I'm assuming UNH > Torson and ODU > JMU. If that happens, it's a two way tie with ODU > UNH.
What I think Cluck U is alluding to is that ODU is prohibited from winning the CAA autobid. Not that it makes one bit of difference in selecting the teams, since they are a very strong at-large.

Ahhhh... but now that I think about it, I thought they were precluded from winning the title, but not the auto. Either way, put UNH in the auto and ODU in the at-large pool. Both are in the field already.

BisoNation · Post by **BisoNation** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:00 pm

If Indiana State wins this weekend they will be 8-3, with 7 D-1 wins. They're #7 in GPI. Interesting stat to note that since 2007 49 of the 50 teams ranked in the GPI Top 10 have received playoff bids. I realize this year is different than most, but if any 7 win team has a chance of making the playoffs it is Indiana State.

BisoNation · Post by **BisoNation** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:01 pm

Oh and like previously stated if NAU doesn't win this weekend they may be out of the playoffs, Big Sky only guaranteed 3 right now, 4 is a good possibility though.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:19 pm

BisoNation wrote:If Indiana State wins this weekend they will be 8-3, with 7 D-1 wins. They're #7 in GPI. Interesting stat to note that since 2007 49 of the 50 teams ranked in the GPI Top 10 have received playoff bids. I realize this year is different than most, but if any 7 win team has a chance of making the playoffs it is Indiana State.

Don't confuse 7 DI wins with 7-4. 8-3 with 1 D2 trumps 7-4 with all DI.

BisoNation · Post by **BisoNation** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:11 pm

89Hen wrote:
BisoNation wrote:If Indiana State wins this weekend they will be 8-3, with 7 D-1 wins. They're #7 in GPI. Interesting stat to note that since 2007 49 of the 50 teams ranked in the GPI Top 10 have received playoff bids. I realize this year is different than most, but if any 7 win team has a chance of making the playoffs it is Indiana State.
Don't confuse 7 DI wins with 7-4. 8-3 with 1 D2 trumps 7-4 with all DI.

Fair enough. But in the eyes of the selection committee Indiana State would be 7-3. Still trumps 7-4 though.

JayJ79 · Post by **JayJ79** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:10 pm

I'm pulling for INS just because of their feelgood turnaround story after being absolutely horrible for most of the past decade or so.

uofmman1122 · Post by **uofmman1122** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:07 pm

Seriously, WTF happened this year?

Not even 5 years ago it was normal to consider 7-4 teams with d2 wins in a 16-team field.

Did all the power conferences just blow up their OOC schedules this year against nobodies?

I thought 2009 had more FBS wins, too.

Post by **SDHornet** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:38 pm

Wildcat Ryan wrote:Montana State- 9-1
Cal Poly- 8-2
Eastern Washington- 8-2
Northern Arizona- 8-2
Sacramento State- 6-4

If Sacramento State can beat UC Davis this weekend, they will have 7 D1 wins, one against FBS Pac 12 Colorado.

Can a 7-4 Sac State make the playoffs giving the Big Sky 5 teams in?

An NAU loss puts them at 7-3 (D2 win removed) making their most impressive wins being over a middle of the road Montana, middle of the road UND team and a terrible bottom tier FBS team (UNLV).

Compare that against a potentially 7-4 Sac State team whose best wins are against a terrible BCS team (Colorado), a ranked CP team, and a middle of the road SUU team.

If by some miracle the selection committee were considering those 2 for the last spot, who would get the nod?

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