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Of course, there are NO true field generals anymore, short of P. Manning (maybe)
Really?
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kalm wrote:
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Of course, there are NO true field generals anymore, short of P. Manning (maybe)
Really?
That depends on one's definitions. Gaudy passing numbers don't necessarily define a field general, though they might be included. Much more important is an overall understanding of the offense and how it interacts with various defenses, such that he is able to skillfully call plays in accordance with the OC's philosophy without being micromanaged by the OC. I know that is passe as the pressure for immediate success (particularly in throwing rookie QBs to the wolves well before they're ready) increases. But I'll take a guy like Bob Waterfield or Eddie LeBaron over a modern guy who gets penalized for delay of game because he's waiting for the OC to make up his freaking mind. And that happens more often than you'd think. I'll trust a guy to adequately call audibles if he's calling his own plays.

The best game role for the OC is as post-possession consultant. If he has to do more than that, then he hasn't done his job through fall camp and in implementing the game plan throughout the week.
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dal4018 wrote:How was McNabb overrated????
He was never an elite QB, very good, but not elite. The national media often portrayed him as elite. When the Eagles traded him to DC there were national talking heads saying how stupid the Eagles were for trading him in the division. Turns out the Eagles were right, McNabb wasn't that good. McNabb sucked in Minnesota too.

In his prime McNabb would have flashes of greatness, but the would also have spells where every pass was in the turf. He was way too inconsistent.
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grizzaholic wrote:When will sportscasters finally admit that Romo is NOT a good QB? He can manage a game and shows flashes from time to time, but when the game or season is on the line he is one of the last people to be entrusted to take the team to the top.

He proved it again last night.
So in other words it was a typical Sunday night?




Even with my hate for Romo, I'd still take him over that wildcat QB that SH is in love with.
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BDKJMU wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
He was never an elite QB, very good, but not elite. The national media often portrayed him as elite. When the Eagles traded him to DC there were national talking heads saying how stupid the Eagles were for trading him in the division. Turns out the Eagles were right, McNabb wasn't that good. McNabb sucked in Minnesota too.

In his prime McNabb would have flashes of greatness, but the would also have spells where every pass was in the turf. He was way too inconsistent.
Rush was right.
Please Rush wouldn't know QB talent if John Unitas sat beside him on a bus!!!!
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dal4018 wrote:
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Rush was right.
Please Rush wouldn't know QB talent if John Unitas sat beside him on a bus!!!!
Unitas is one of the, if not the, most overrated QB in history.


From a 2010 article
http://www.fanbase.com/article/was-unit ... ated-/9058

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Consider Unitas' career statistics. A QB rating of 78.2, a competition percentage of 56.2 and a touchdown to interception ratio of 290 to 253. Excuse me if these numbers do not blow my mind. Just for references sake, here is a list of current NFL quarterbacks with a career quarterback's rating better than 78.2:

Without having to provide the actual numbers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Kurt Warner and Tony Romo. Those guys are all in the 80's or 90's for their career. Not 78.2. Are they all hall of famers? Perhaps. But it gets worse.

Jason Campbell, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Matt Schaub, Joe Flacco, Jay Culter, Matt Ryan, Marc Bulger, Matt Cassel, Carson Palmer, David Garrard, Matt Hasselback. All of them are all above a career 78.2 as well. Now a few of them are young guys like Flacco and Ryan, but you get my point. JASON CAMPBELL! Redskins fans want him out the door and his QB rating is higher than a Hall of Famers and LEGEND!

Am I the only one who doesn't get this?

If you look at touchdown to interception ratio, Unitas is still average at best. 290 to 253 is 1.14 touchdowns for every 1 interception thrown. Not very good. By comparison, the much maligned Jason Campbell has a 1.44:1 ratio. Jason also completes 61% of his career passes to Unitas' 54.6%. Which is the NFL legend again?

There are statistics that support Unitas too. For instance he threw a touchdown, on average, every 17 attempts.That is on par with Peyton Manning, the most prolific passer in the NFL today. Only problem was Unitas threw a lot of interceptions too. 80 more than Manning, who has 1500 more career pass attempts. Unitas also won the MVP three times, though in his 1967 MVP season he had a 83 QB rating and threw 20 touchdowns to 14 interceptions. Not exactly inspiring.

Unitas also threw for over 40,000 yards in an era that did not cater to quarterbacks the way modern football does. However, is this due to greatness, or just persistence?

The Golden Arm did win one Super Bowl as well. An accomplishment many believe is necessary to achieve Legendary status. But how much did Unitas actually do? During the 1970 regular season, the Super Bowl season, Unitas threw four more interceptions than touchdowns, completed just 51.7% of his passes and threw for the lowest amount of yards in a decade (not counting 1968 when he only played 5 games). That is not great

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clenz wrote:
dal4018 wrote:Please Rush wouldn't know QB talent if John Unitas sat beside him on a bus!!!!
Unitas is one of the, if not the, most overrated QB in history.


From a 2010 article
http://www.fanbase.com/article/was-unit ... ated-/9058

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Consider Unitas' career statistics. A QB rating of 78.2, a competition percentage of 56.2 and a touchdown to interception ratio of 290 to 253. Excuse me if these numbers do not blow my mind. Just for references sake, here is a list of current NFL quarterbacks with a career quarterback's rating better than 78.2:

Without having to provide the actual numbers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Kurt Warner and Tony Romo. Those guys are all in the 80's or 90's for their career. Not 78.2. Are they all hall of famers? Perhaps. But it gets worse.

Jason Campbell, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Matt Schaub, Joe Flacco, Jay Culter, Matt Ryan, Marc Bulger, Matt Cassel, Carson Palmer, David Garrard, Matt Hasselback. All of them are all above a career 78.2 as well. Now a few of them are young guys like Flacco and Ryan, but you get my point. JASON CAMPBELL! Redskins fans want him out the door and his QB rating is higher than a Hall of Famers and LEGEND!

Am I the only one who doesn't get this?

If you look at touchdown to interception ratio, Unitas is still average at best. 290 to 253 is 1.14 touchdowns for every 1 interception thrown. Not very good. By comparison, the much maligned Jason Campbell has a 1.44:1 ratio. Jason also completes 61% of his career passes to Unitas' 54.6%. Which is the NFL legend again?

There are statistics that support Unitas too. For instance he threw a touchdown, on average, every 17 attempts.That is on par with Peyton Manning, the most prolific passer in the NFL today. Only problem was Unitas threw a lot of interceptions too. 80 more than Manning, who has 1500 more career pass attempts. Unitas also won the MVP three times, though in his 1967 MVP season he had a 83 QB rating and threw 20 touchdowns to 14 interceptions. Not exactly inspiring.

Unitas also threw for over 40,000 yards in an era that did not cater to quarterbacks the way modern football does. However, is this due to greatness, or just persistence?

The Golden Arm did win one Super Bowl as well. An accomplishment many believe is necessary to achieve Legendary status. But how much did Unitas actually do? During the 1970 regular season, the Super Bowl season, Unitas threw four more interceptions than touchdowns, completed just 51.7% of his passes and threw for the lowest amount of yards in a decade (not counting 1968 when he only played 5 games). That is not great

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40,239 career passing yds the first to do so.He along Sammy Baugh help set the standard for today's signal callers.Unitas created the Two min drill.It was the little things that made Unitas the person he was.Yes throwing for 40,000 yds was due to greatness why would you think it was due to persistence???He was the first to cross the 3K barriers for passing yds.
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clenz wrote:
dal4018 wrote:Please Rush wouldn't know QB talent if John Unitas sat beside him on a bus!!!!
Unitas is one of the, if not the, most overrated QB in history.


From a 2010 article
http://www.fanbase.com/article/was-unit ... ated-/9058

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Consider Unitas' career statistics. A QB rating of 78.2, a competition percentage of 56.2 and a touchdown to interception ratio of 290 to 253. Excuse me if these numbers do not blow my mind. Just for references sake, here is a list of current NFL quarterbacks with a career quarterback's rating better than 78.2:

Without having to provide the actual numbers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Kurt Warner and Tony Romo. Those guys are all in the 80's or 90's for their career. Not 78.2. Are they all hall of famers? Perhaps. But it gets worse.

Jason Campbell, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Matt Schaub, Joe Flacco, Jay Culter, Matt Ryan, Marc Bulger, Matt Cassel, Carson Palmer, David Garrard, Matt Hasselback. All of them are all above a career 78.2 as well. Now a few of them are young guys like Flacco and Ryan, but you get my point. JASON CAMPBELL! Redskins fans want him out the door and his QB rating is higher than a Hall of Famers and LEGEND!

Am I the only one who doesn't get this?

If you look at touchdown to interception ratio, Unitas is still average at best. 290 to 253 is 1.14 touchdowns for every 1 interception thrown. Not very good. By comparison, the much maligned Jason Campbell has a 1.44:1 ratio. Jason also completes 61% of his career passes to Unitas' 54.6%. Which is the NFL legend again?

There are statistics that support Unitas too. For instance he threw a touchdown, on average, every 17 attempts.That is on par with Peyton Manning, the most prolific passer in the NFL today. Only problem was Unitas threw a lot of interceptions too. 80 more than Manning, who has 1500 more career pass attempts. Unitas also won the MVP three times, though in his 1967 MVP season he had a 83 QB rating and threw 20 touchdowns to 14 interceptions. Not exactly inspiring.

Unitas also threw for over 40,000 yards in an era that did not cater to quarterbacks the way modern football does. However, is this due to greatness, or just persistence?

The Golden Arm did win one Super Bowl as well. An accomplishment many believe is necessary to achieve Legendary status. But how much did Unitas actually do? During the 1970 regular season, the Super Bowl season, Unitas threw four more interceptions than touchdowns, completed just 51.7% of his passes and threw for the lowest amount of yards in a decade (not counting 1968 when he only played 5 games). That is not great

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Namath is much more overrated.
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Vidav wrote:
clenz wrote: Unitas is one of the, if not the, most overrated QB in history.


From a 2010 article
Namath is much more overrated.
Agreed after he left the Jets and he didn't have the best O-Line in front of him the only lineman that was worth his salt was Winston Hill.That is why his knees were shot but in his prime he could throw the deep ball as well as anyone.He threw plenty of interceptions.
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dal4018 wrote:
Vidav wrote:
Namath is much more overrated.
Agreed after he left the Jets and he didn't have the best O-Line in front of him the only lineman that was worth his salt was Winston Hill.That is why his knees were shot but in his prime he could throw the deep ball as well as anyone.He threw plenty of interceptions.
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dal4018 wrote:Agreed after he left the Jets and he didn't have the best O-Line in front of him the only lineman that was worth his salt was Winston Hill.That is why his knees were shot but in his prime he could throw the deep ball as well as anyone.He threw plenty of interceptions.
That is racists.
Please explain how my comment is racists???
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dal4018 wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Rush was right.
Please Rush wouldn't know QB talent if John Unitas sat beside him on a bus!!!!
You don't know much about him, then.

Football and baseball are just about the only things he actually has expertise in.
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CID1990 wrote:
dal4018 wrote:Please Rush wouldn't know QB talent if John Unitas sat beside him on a bus!!!!
You don't know much about him, then.

Football and baseball are just about the only things he actually has expertise in.
Rush has zero knowledge about any professional sport!!!
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dal4018 wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
You don't know much about him, then.

Football and baseball are just about the only things he actually has expertise in.
Rush has zero knowledge about any professional sport!!!
Shows how much of an idiot you are that you think someone who worked for 5 years for a professional baseball team and is an avowed lifelong Steelers fan "has zero knowledge about any professional sport". :roll:
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grizzaholic wrote:When will sportscasters finally admit that Romo is NOT a good QB? He can manage a game and shows flashes from time to time, but when the game or season is on the line he is one of the last people to be entrusted to take the team to the top.

He proved it again last night.
He's the Donovan McNabb of white quarterbacks. :coffee:

Tony is about 1/2 white and 1/2 indigenous (brown).
So he is about like I am 1/2 indigenous american and 1/2 white european..........

In Spanish I would call him mestizo so not really exactly a white QB.
If you look at him you can see he is brown and white mixed. It's obvious to me.
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You wanna talk Native American quarterbacks? Nobody beats Jim Plunkett.....
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dal4018 wrote:
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That is racists.
Please explain how my comment is racists???
If you don't know...must be you. 8-)
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I love the Cowboys, but this is spot on. He's about as bad as Testaverde....
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I love the Cowboys, but this is spot on. He's about as bad as Testaverde....
And Tebow.
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And Tebow.
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Ibanez wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:
I love the Cowboys, but this is spot on. He's about as bad as Testaverde....
And Tebow.
Ok, that is going too far. Romo is no where near as bad as Tebow. :coffee:
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Ok, that is going too far. Romo is no where near as bad as Tebow.
Yet both have the same amount of playoff wins. Hmmmmm :suspicious:
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Ok, that is going too far. Romo is no where near as bad as Tebow.
Yet both have the same amount of playoff wins. Hmmmmm :suspicious:
What does that have to do with it? :?

McNabb has more playoff victories than Marino but no one would say he was a better QB. :coffee:
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Romo can put up all the stats he wants. Hell go break all the season records, but it comes down to how you do in the playoffs.

Tebow 1-1
Romo 1-3

Both are winners! :clap:
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