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The Goebbelses of the PBS and MSM have been prattling on about all of the disastrous cuts that will have to be made should the sequester take effect. You all know the lists, from defense to air traffic controllers to cleaning the bathrooms in the National Parks.

In 2007 under Mr. Bush the Federal Gov. spent 2.728 trillion dollars.

In 2013 under Mr. Obama the proposed spending for the Federal Gov. will be 3.803 trillion dollars. The sequester could reduce this to 3.718 trillion.

So the question is:

Why was Mr. Bush able to keep the bathrooms in the National Parks clean on 2.7 trillion while Mr. Obama can’t seem to clean them with 3.7 trillion dollars? Any thoughts!
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oldsloguy wrote:The Goebbelses of the PBS and MSM have been prattling on about all of the disastrous cuts that will have to be made should the sequester take effect. You all know the lists, from defense to air traffic controllers to cleaning the bathrooms in the National Parks.

In 2007 under Mr. Bush the Federal Gov. spent 2.728 trillion dollars.

In 2013 under Mr. Obama the proposed spending for the Federal Gov. will be 3.803 trillion dollars. The sequester could reduce this to 3.718 trillion.

So the question is:

Why was Mr. Bush able to keep the bathrooms in the National Parks clean on 2.7 trillion while Mr. Obama can’t seem to clean them with 3.7 trillion dollars? Any thoughts!
Hey, a Cal Poly person, nice.

It's funny- I was reading some "news" paper the other day, and they're talking about how all the national parks are going to get cut and all the animals are going to die.

The budget has DOUBLED in recent years- and the national parks were all doing fine before it doubled, so now a small reduction will cause all the national parks to be shut down etc?

It's a joke- they're trying to tug on America's hear strings "the animals are going to die" in order to keep their hugely inflated budget and tax us all to death.

Here are a few agencies to cut before the parks system: Homeland "Security", ATF, Energy, Commerce, Interior, and Housing and Urban Development - That will cut 1 Trillion right there-

While were at it, I say halve (at least) the pay of all House and Senate members they have all FAILED.
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Re: Why?

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Still wondering!
Where did the money go?
Is Mr. Obama just an incompetent administrator?
How can you just make a trillion dollars just disappear?
Certainly those on this board who support the guy and his party must have an answer!
Is it an unfair question?
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The only problem I have with sequester is that the law was written using a peanut butter spread in the cuts...instead of giving the executive branch a target to meet as they see fit...

This way furloughs are necessary because all programs take equal cuts, including personnel accounts.. if targets were part of the law, and Republicans want to modify the law to allow this, then the executive branch would have to justify saving,say national parks over cutting federal law enforcement...

That's the heat the Administration doesn't want...
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No need to go back to Bush. Aren't we, even with this sequester, going to spend more this year than we did last year, both Obama years? At the end of the day, we aren't cutting spending, we're simply slowing down how much we increase spending. It's scary when you think we can't do that without the world supposedly ending.
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expandspanos wrote:
oldsloguy wrote:The Goebbelses of the PBS and MSM have been prattling on about all of the disastrous cuts that will have to be made should the sequester take effect. You all know the lists, from defense to air traffic controllers to cleaning the bathrooms in the National Parks.

In 2007 under Mr. Bush the Federal Gov. spent 2.728 trillion dollars.

In 2013 under Mr. Obama the proposed spending for the Federal Gov. will be 3.803 trillion dollars. The sequester could reduce this to 3.718 trillion.

So the question is:

Why was Mr. Bush able to keep the bathrooms in the National Parks clean on 2.7 trillion while Mr. Obama can’t seem to clean them with 3.7 trillion dollars? Any thoughts!
Hey, a Cal Poly person, nice.

It's funny- I was reading some "news" paper the other day, and they're talking about how all the national parks are going to get cut and all the animals are going to die.

It's a joke- they're trying to tug on America's hear strings "the animals are going to die" in order to keep their hugely inflated budget and tax us all to death.
I doubt anyone has said the animals are going to die. Funny how you're bitching about hyperbole by using...hyperbole. :lol:

As to the thread question, here's a pretty good summation of where the money has gone. Part Bush's fault, part Obama's fault, and much of it has to do with a recession. Obama is responsible for at least 39% of the $5 trillion:
It’s true that Obama “inherited the biggest deficit in our history,” as he said on CBS. By the time Obama took office in January 2009, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office had already estimated that increased spending and decreased revenues would result in a $1.2 trillion deficit for fiscal year 2009, which began Oct. 1, 2008. In a detailed analysis of fiscal year 2009, we found that Obama was responsible for adding at most $203 billion to the deficit, which in the end topped $1.4 trillion that year.

But that was just the first of four years of trillion-plus deficits. The last three budgets fall squarely under Obama. And, during that time, the federal government ran up deficits of $1.3 trillion in 2010, $1.3 trillion in 2011, and about $1.2 trillion in the fiscal year that ends Sept. 30 — for a total of nearly $5.2 trillion in deficit spending.

Now, affixing responsibility (i.e., blame) for mega-deficits and the ballooning federal debt is filled with ideological landmines. Obama doesn’t take responsibility for war spending, for example, even though he continued the spending and, in fact, increased U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan. He also doesn’t want to take the blame for the expense of creating the Medicare prescription drug program — although his federal health care law increased funding for it. (The law will gradually close the notorious doughnut hole that caused some seniors to pay nearly $2,000 in prescription drug costs because of a gap in coverage.)

Regardless of how you assess blame, this much we can say with certainty: Obama’s policies are responsible for more than 10 percent of the deficits accumulated over the last four years.

Consider that just two pieces of legislation he signed account for nearly a third of the $5.2 trillion in deficits since 2009:

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, better known as the stimulus act, will cost $831 billion through 2019, according to the CBO. The administration estimates the stimulus at $800 billion through 2011.
The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 extended the Bush tax cuts and cut the Social Security payroll tax for two years, as well as provided relief to some taxpayers who otherwise would have had to pay the alternative minimum tax. The 2010 tax act cost nearly $800 billion in 2011 and 2012.
The administration does not take responsibility for all of the spending in the 2010 tax act (which we will detail later). But Treasury accepts that the administration is responsible for another $410 billion in additional tax cuts and spending through 2011.

That means at a minimum the Obama administration is responsible for $2 trillion, or 39 percent of the $5.17 trillion in deficits since fiscal year 2009.
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All good responses, but I’m still left in a quandary regarding the original question.

The question is:

How can we spend 2.7 trillion dollars and have air traffic controllers in the tower, and now, we spend 3.7 trillion and have to shut down the air traffic control system?
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oldsloguy wrote:All good responses, but I’m still left in a quandary regarding the original question.

The question is:

How can we spend 2.7 trillion dollars and have air traffic controllers in the tower, and now, we spend 3.7 trillion and have to shut down the air traffic control system?
Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Medicare Part D, entitlement spending, stimulus, food stamps, employment security, Eric Holders airfare, Obama's trip to Hawaii, etc. Hell, the interest on the debt alone last year was $280 billion.
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