Mother Teresa a Jerk?

[grizzaholic]

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It's highly likely that one day, the Catholic Church will officially recognize Mother Teresa as a saint, a position she's held in the popular imagination for years. A new study in the religious studies journal Religieuses, however, says that the late Mother Teresa's reputation is mostly hype — a result of a church declining in popularity trying to boost its image.

Mother Teresa's biggest supposed sin? According to the Times of India, it was "her dubious way of caring for the sick by glorifying their suffering instead of relieving it."

[Vidav]

Yup.

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[kalm]

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[Vidav]

Yup.

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[JoltinJoe]

This is nothing more than the false accusations Hitchens made.

Mother Teresa's mission was not to run "several first-class [medical] clinics in Bengal."

Her mission ran 517 (not "several) hospices (not "medical clinics") in over 100 countries, in the most destitute and poverty-stricken cities in the world, in order to provide dignity and a place to die for terminally ill patients in the last days of their lives. These people would have otherwise died homeless and on the street, with no place to go.

To say she had enough money to run "several" "first class" medical clinics is a distortion of her mission -- as if instead of running 517 hospices for the terminally ill with just days to live, she should have instead opened a few medical clinics to provide "first class" medical treatment to people. Hitchens lied about her mission, and then criticized her for not running these "first class medical centers." This "study" (cough, cough) just repeats the same lie.

Mother Teresa's organization struggled to find funds to keep its 517 -- 517! -- hospices operating so that destitute people, hopelessly terminal patients, who no one else ever gave a rat's ass about, had a place to spend their last days surrounded by love and compassion.

What a bunch of sanctimonious phonies and privileged pusses Hitchens and these so-called "researchers" are/were. They are just anti-Catholic bigots who have the temerity to speak ill of a woman who voluntarily lived among the poorest and the most destitute in the world, in areas of the world that the haughty pampered never would have gone near. Seriously, if you never would have spent time in the places Mother Teresa lived, you have no basis to criticize her, no understanding of what she was doing, and you are a gross, hateful hypocrite.

[D1B]

This is nothing more than the false accusations Hitchens made.

Mother Teresa's mission was not to run "several first-class [medical] clinics in Bengal."

Her mission ran 517 (not "several) hospices (not "medical clinics") in over 100 countries, in the most destitute and poverty-stricken cities in the world, in order to provide dignity and a place to die for terminally ill patients in the last days of their lives. These people would have otherwise died homeless and on the street, with no place to go.

To say she had enough money to run "several" "first class" medical clinics is a distortion of her mission -- as if instead of running 517 hospices for the terminally ill with just days to live, she should have instead opened a few medical clinics to provide "first class" medical treatment to people. Hitchens lied about her mission, and then criticized her for not running these "first class medical centers." This "study" (cough, cough) just repeats the same lie.

Mother Teresa's organization struggled to find funds to keep its 517 -- 517! -- hospices operating so that destitute people, hopelessly terminal patients, who no one else ever gave a rat's ass about, had a place to spend their last days surrounded by love and compassion.

What a bunch of sanctimonious phonies and privileged pusses Hitchens and these so-called "researchers" are/were. They are just anti-Catholic bigots who have the temerity to speak ill of a woman who voluntarily lived among the poorest and the most destitute in the world, in areas of the world that the haughty pampered never would have gone near. Sleriously, if you never would have spent time in the places Mother Teresa lived, you have no basis to criticize her, no understanding of what she was doing, and you are a gross, hateful hypocrite.

Yeah, and the catholic child sex scandal involves only a few priests in America only and no bishops or cardinals or popes were aware of what was was happening and they did the best they could.

Remember saying this too, Joe?

You're too deep in the cult to make rational and objective statements regarding the cult.

Fact is, the church has been manufacturing saints since day one. It's one of many ruses employed by the church to keep the sheep in awe and proud. Joe, you're the proudest.

[JoltinJoe]

Yeah, and the catholic child sex scandal involves only a few priests in America only and no bishops or cardinals or popes were aware of what was was happening and they did the best they could.

Remember saying this too, Joe?

No, I never said anything like that. I think that's your "spin" on what I've said.

[D1B]

Yeah, and the catholic child sex scandal involves only a few priests in America only and no bishops or cardinals or popes were aware of what was was happening and they did the best they could.

Remember saying this too, Joe?

No, I never said anything like that. I think that's your "spin" on what I've said.

You've corrected yourself, finally, over the years as your attempts to minimize the crimes of your church become comical as the avalanche of evidence against it accelerates. Much of which was spurred by lone journalists who had the courage to expose a powerful cult armed with its billions worth of PR hit men, brainwashed apologists, scumbag lawyers and sympathetic/bought politicians.

To a certain extent, the cunt Mother Teresa, is also a victim.

[JoltinJoe]

No, I never said anything like that. I think that's your "spin" on what I've said.

You've corrected yourself, finally, over the years as your attempts to minimize the crimes of your church become comical as the avalanche of evidence against it accelerates. Much of which was spurred by lone journalists who had the courage to expose a powerful cult armed with its billions worth of PR hit men, brainwashed apologists, scumbag lawyers and sympathetic/bought politicians.

To a certain extent, the kitty Mother Teresa, is also a victim.

No, I didn't correct myself. I stand by everything I ever ACTUALLY said.

We have a truce. I'm not getting into this with you.

If you want to address the point of why sanctimonious phonies can falsify accusations against Mother Teresa, because she ran 517 hospices for the desperate and dying, rather than "several" first-class medical centers, please do that.

To some degree, though, it can be expected that pampered pusses like Hitchens would fault her for running 517 hospices in the most destitute neighborhoods of the world.

Hitchens, a haughty pseudo-intellectual, would be far more comfortable with the charity that creates an elite medical center, rather than one which tends to the dying on the streets of Calcutta, because Hitchens never set foot on the streets of Calcutta; never met any poor person living in these most wretched, deplorable conditions; and certainly never tended to them or their needs. So he doesn't get it, because for the most part, the people Mother Teresa assisted are simply statistics to Hitchens.

[D1B]

You've corrected yourself, finally, over the years as your attempts to minimize the crimes of your church become comical as the avalanche of evidence against it accelerates. Much of which was spurred by lone journalists who had the courage to expose a powerful cult armed with its billions worth of PR hit men, brainwashed apologists, scumbag lawyers and sympathetic/bought politicians.

To a certain extent, the kitty Mother Teresa, is also a victim.

No, I didn't correct myself. I stand by everything I ever ACTUALLY said.

We have a truce. I'm not getting into this with you.

Well, hopefully, then evidence contrary to your statements has changed your viewpoint.

We've been feuding many years and a ton has since been discovered supporting my position, to the point where the previously unthinkable has happened - your pope threw in the towel. At least give me that, Joe.

Yes, we have a truce. Just think of this a couple bottle rockets shot over the cardinal line.

Now, back to Teresa. As grizzaholic's source accurately states, MT certainly has been an inspiration to millions to take up the cause of helping the poor, she was to me, until I started working for a hospice organization. My, and others', issue with her is not her willingness or desire to help the poor, but her pursuit of catholic dogma and fame versus proper palliative care. Almost all of the people under her care would have been better off dying in their slums with family around.

From a a volunteer...

My initial impression was of all the photographs and all the footage I’ve ever seen of Belsen and places like that because all the Patients had shaved heads. No chairs anywhere just stretcher beds. They are like First World War stretcher beds. There’s no garden, no yard even. No nothing. And I though “What is this? This is two rooms with fifty to sixty men in one, fifty to sixty women in the another. They’re dying. They’re not being given a great deal of medical care. They’re not being given painkillers really beyond aspirin and maybe if you’re lucky some Brufen or something, for the sort of pain that goes with terminal cancer and the things they were dying of……They didn’t have enough drips. The needles they used and re used over and over and over and you would see some of the nuns rinsing needles under the cold water tap. And I asked one of them why she was doing it and she said “Why to clean it of course.” And I said “Yes but why aren’t you sterilizing it; what are you not boiling water and sterilizing your needles?” She said. “Theres no point. Theres no time.”

The first day I was there when I’d finished working in the womens ward I went and waited on the edge of the mens ward for my boyfriend, who was looking after a boy of fifteen who was dying, and an American doctor told me that she had been trying to treat this boy. And that he had a really relatively simple kidney complaint that had simply got worse and worse because he hadn’t had antibiotics. And he actually needed an operation. I don’t recall what the problem was, but she did tell me. And she was so angry, but also very resigned which so many people become in that situation. And she said “Well they wont take him to the hospital.” And I said “Why all you have to do is get a cab. Take him to the nearest hospital, demand that he has treatment. Ge him an operation.” She said “They don’t do it, If they do it for one, they do it for everybody.” And I though but this kid is just fifteen.

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Religion kills.

[D1B]

Joe, it's not just Hitchens.

[D1B]

For my friend, Joe.

[JoltinJoe]

Yes, yes, I get how this goes. The opinions of two limousine liberals who fly in from their pampered life in the United States, to spend a few days with Mother Teresa in order to impress the other mothers in the Junior League, trumps the opinions of thousands of others concerning these 517 hospices. I'm sure the nuns viewed these volunteer,s who never spent a day in the middle of Calcutta, as condescending know-it-alls.

BTW, getting back to the point, as you know, the Catholic Church operates a world-wide system of first-class medical institutions which treat patients without regard to insurance or their ability to pay. In fact, these operations are funded in part through the hundreds of millions in revenues generated by tourism fees at the Vatican Museum. You say the treasures at the museum should be sold and the money given to abuse victims. I think it is perfectly fine that the Catholic Church maintains these great treasures in trust for mankind, and have turned them into an annuity which creates a significant on-going stream of charitable revenue.

Nonetheless, as part of its mission, the Catholic Church does operate first-class medical facilities. To isolate Mother Teresa, and fault her 517 hospices for not being a few first-class medical centers, is to miss the overall point that each within the Church has his or her own individual calling.

[D1B]

Hitchens, a haughty pseudo-intellectual, would be far more comfortable with the charity that creates an elite medical center, rather than one which tends to the dying on the streets of Calcutta, because Hitchens never set foot on the streets of Calcutta; never met any poor person living in these most wretched, deplorable conditions;

Joe, your church exploited the poor for profit. Calcutta is not the hell hole Mother Teresa and the Vatican PR Department would have you believe.

Here's Calcutta:

In the late 17th century, the three villages that predated Kolkata were ruled by the Nawab of Bengal under Mughal suzerainty. After the Nawab granted the East India Company a trading license in 1690,[7] the area was developed by the Company into an increasingly fortified mercantile base. Nawab Siraj ud-Daulah occupied Kolkata in 1756, and the East India Company retook it in the following year and by 1772 assumed full sovereignty. Under East India Company and later under the British Raj, Kolkata served as the capital of India until 1911, when its perceived geographical disadvantages, combined with growing nationalism in Bengal, led to a shift of the capital to New Delhi. The city was a centre of the Indian independence movement; it remains a hotbed of contemporary state politics. Following Indian independence in 1947, Kolkata—which was once the centre of modern Indian education, science, culture, and politics—witnessed several decades of relative economic stagnation. Since the early 2000s, an economic rejuvenation has led to accelerated growth.

As a nucleus of the 19th- and early 20th-century Bengal Renaissance and a religiously and ethnically diverse centre of culture in Bengal and India, Kolkata has established local traditions in drama, art, film, theatre, and literature that have gained wide audiences. Many people from Kolkata—among them several Nobel laureates—have contributed to the arts, the sciences, and other areas, while Kolkata culture features idiosyncrasies that include distinctively close-knit neighbourhoods (paras) and freestyle intellectual exchanges (adda). West Bengal's share of the Bengali film industry is based in the city, which also hosts venerable cultural institutions of national importance, such as the Academy of Fine Arts, the Victoria Memorial, the Asiatic Society, the Indian Museum, and the National Library of India. Though home to major cricketing venues and franchises, Kolkata differs from other Indian cities by giving importance to association football and other sports.

Kolkata is known for its literary, artistic, and revolutionary heritage; as the former capital of India, it was the birthplace of modern Indian literary and artistic thought.[183] Kolkata has been called the "City of Furious, Creative Energy"[184] as well as the "cultural [or literary] capital of India".[185][186] The presence of paras, which are neighbourhoods that possess a strong sense of community, is characteristic of Kolkata.[187] Typically, each para has its own community club and, on occasion, a playing field.[187] Residents engage in addas, or leisurely chats, that often take the form of freestyle intellectual conversation.[188][189] The city has a tradition of political graffiti depicting everything from outrageous slander to witty banter and limericks, caricatures, and propaganda.[190][191]

Kolkata has many buildings adorned with Indo-Islamic and Indo-Saracenic architectural motifs. Several well-maintained major buildings from the colonial period have been declared "heritage structures";[192] however, others are in various stages of decay.[193][194] Established in 1814 as the nation's oldest museum, the Indian Museum houses large collections that showcase Indian natural history and Indian art.[195] Marble Palace is a classic example of a European mansion that was built in the city. The Victoria Memorial, a place of interest in Kolkata, has a museum documenting the city's history. The National Library of India is the leading public library in the country.

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Here's a quote from a resident, specifically referring to the sleazy catholic-funded media portrayals:

Of course I do not mind the above things and mother had a constitutionally guranteed right to religious freedom and to spend her organizations money the way she wants, but as a Calcuttan I do take offense in her extremely negative (if not outright lying) portyal of Calcutta. Just like any other third world or Indian cities, Calcutta also has its share of poverty but it is by no means greater than any other city of India. In reality, Calcutta is better off than most of the other cities in India. Not only it had a very vibrant cultural/social/political life for last 200 years, till date it continues to be the cultural capital of India and one of the most tolerant, multi-cultural, liberal city of India. Calcutta boasts the best public traportation system among Indian cities, it is not as densely populated as Delhi or Mumbai and it is not as polluted as Delhi. The real estate price in Calcutta will be higher than London, believe it or not!! Yes, there are homeless people in Calcutta (so are there in New York), but most of them are not beggars. They do odd jobs but not rich enough to afford a home. There is no wide-spread hunger in Calcutta, food is plenty, cheap and available in vast quantities. The government does enough to take care of the poor and I can gurantee, that even if you search really hard, you wont see the kind of squalor and poverty in Calcutta that mother made her Western followers believe. Interestingly, most of the Westerners get frustrated by not seeing enough poverty when they visit Calcutta, so the locals arrange some kind of poverty tour! and they search hard and find out the most wretched place (usually populated by illegal immigrants from Bangladesh or rural areas of neighboring states) to get the Western tourist see what they want to see. Her negative portryal of Calcutta caused the city to lose millions of dollar on tourism revenue, since no one wants to visit this nightmarish place. Some of you might find it hard to believe but in my 24 years of life in Calcutta I never saw the kind of poverty mother's followers tend to assume about Calcutta. The worst part is, mother fed her followers with such exaggerated image of poverty to raise money but in reality did not do anything about it or atleast nothing of any significance. No wonder the people of Calcutta, the so called recipient of her generosity does not care at all about her charitable work, but they do respect her because she brought a Nobel Prize (incidentally two more Indians won that prize before her from Calcutta)to the city and they are unaware of the stories mother tells rest of the world about Calcutta. I do not question her holiness, but I think by constantly lying about Calcutta, she used faudulent means to raise money and did not use the money for which it was raised in the first place.

I am still amazed, that the old, innocous looking, saintly woman had the capacity to pull-off one of the biggest frauds in recent history and even managed to get a nobel prize for God knows what contribution to peace! I dont know whether the truth will make any dent in the belief of her admirers, but it is the truth and you have to visit Calcutta to realize it.

The catholic church is finding it increasingly more difficult to fool people in the information age.

[JoltinJoe]

And your quote from Mother Teresa is taken out of context.

Mother Teresa spoke to terminally ill patients, often in great pain, and only with a few days to live.

She offered hope to these people: that God was closest to them in the hour of their greatest pain and suffering.

Now, you may disagree with that message, but what do you expect a nun to say to a person, in great pain, with only a few days to live?

[JoltinJoe]

Gee, really, Calcutta has some beautiful areas?

[D1B]

Nonetheless, as part of its mission, the Catholic Church does operate first-class medical facilities. To isolate Mother Teresa, and fault her 517 hospices for not being a few first-class medical centers, is to miss the overall point that each within the Church has his or her own individual calling.

Joe, these were not hospices.

[D1B]

And your quote from Mother Teresa is taken out of context.

Mother Teresa spoke to terminally ill patients, often in great pain, and only with a few days to live.

She offered hope to these people: that God was closest to them in the hour of their greatest pain and suffering.

Now, you may disagree with that message, but what do you expect a nun to say to a person, in great pain, with only a few days to live?

Don't give a fuck about the nun. I expect the care to include proper pain management and comfort care commensurate with resources (hundreds of millions of dollars) available.

[D1B]

And your quote from Mother Teresa is taken out of context.

Absolutely not. Her belief in suffering equaling salvation was the primary reason her graveyards were deplorable. Rather than pain management and comfort care comprising the mission, it was catholic dogma and saving souls. Many, perhaps most, could have been saved, cured or lived significantly longer if she actually ran a hospice.

[andy7171]

Would you two just shut the fuck up and just look at Vidav's signature!!!

[D1B]

Gee, really, Calcutta has some beautiful areas?

Yes, and many people don't know it.

Unfortunately, your church and that cunt, Mother Teresa has turned Calcutta into the world's poster child for abject poverty. This sinister product of Vatican PR and Finance has probably cost that area billions in tourism and other investment dollars.



"Who gum? Ahhh ya, Mama Teeesa! She gume like much in ass"

[D1B]

Nonetheless, as part of its mission, the Catholic Church does operate first-class medical facilities. To isolate Mother Teresa, and fault her 517 hospices for not being a few first-class medical centers, is to miss the overall point that each within the Church has his or her own individual calling.

Joe, you use this line of argument frequently to justify or minimize gross moral errors and it doesn't work - never did.

Bottom line

Jesus would have never put a child through the unimaginable pain of untreated cancer and called it a blessing.

[D1B]

Joe, gonna be in and near New York from around 4/12 - 4/20 to visit the Met and MOMA. We're starting in New Haven at the Yale Art Museum then hitting the big city for at least a 4 days.

Let me know of you want to hook up for an afternoon or meet us at the Met. Would also be interested in seeing some of the beautiful catholic cathedrals in town, perhaps some unknown gems.

[D1B]

Would you two just shut the fuck up and just look at Vidav's signature!!!

Go fuck yourself, Grizzley Adams.

[Vidav]

Would you two just shut the fuck up and just look at Vidav's signature!!!